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As Bernie Sanders Changes Strategy, His Supporters Change Theirs: Attack the Supers

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royalan

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It started early March with Howard Dean:

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It continued after yesterday's Washington win with Congressman Rick Larson (D-WA):

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Let's not forget Senator Brian Schatz:

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In the wake of Bernie Sanders changing his election strategy to courting superdelegates, a disturbing pattern is emerging: Bernie Sanders supporters taking to the internet to bully superdelegates into changing their votes via their social media channels. The argument seems to be that superdelegates that come from states that Bernie has won should respect the "will of the people" and give their vote to the winning candidate (despite that not being how superdelegates work). But, as we're seeing, even uncommitted superdelegates and those that do not represent specific states are getting it, too. Just ask DNC Vice Chairwoman and CNN mainstay, Donna Brazile:

Donna Brazile ‏@donnabrazile 23h23 hours ago Washington, DC
Donna Brazile Retweeted Sal
You can insult me, but the rules are the rules. Don't try to change them. We are not Republicans.

Donna Brazile ‏@donnabrazile 23h23 hours ago Washington, DC
Donna Brazile Retweeted Nate
Oh! stop hating. Super delegates are less than 15% of the delegates and we are "unpledged" to anyone until Philly.

Donna Brazile ‏@donnabrazile 23h23 hours ago Washington, DC
Believe me, I would love to answer some of these tweets, but I'm busy. The insults are truly appalling. Let's continue to get out the vote.

Donna Brazile ‏@donnabrazile 23h23 hours ago Washington, DC
@CanyonRose. We are all part of the process. Elected officials, party officials and now you the voters. Let's add, not detract or subtract.

And Congresswoman Ann Kirkpatrick of Arizona (a state that Hillary won):

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Then, clearly, the argument changes.

An extreme sect of Bernie's supporters acting a damn fool online is nothing new. But with Bernie's campaign openly stating their intent to put pressure onto superdelegates to "reconsider" their positions with superdelegates, it seems that his supporters have taken up the charge to do the very opposite of what would help Sanders achieve that goal: harassment.

And in this election season, where the Republican frontrunner has had to be chastised into openly and forcefully condemning the actions of some of his most ardent supporters, is it time for Bernie Sanders to consider doing the same? After all, lightly slapping his supporters on the wrist didn't help him in Illinois. Allowing his supporters to go after supers might not help either.
 
Welcome to politics in the era of social media. Bernie isn't the first, and almost definitely won't be the last, candidate to have people online be shitty.
 
Sanders needs to come out with a strong stance on this - like he did previously

Explain that by pressure he meant massage gently until they give into their inner Berns
 
So it is okay to take money in exchange for votes, but it is not okay for people to use public social media outlets to pressure political players?
 
What is the logic behind the "respect the will of the people" line? The only situation where Sanders gets the nomination is if he convinces supers to go against the will of the people and nominate the candidate with less pledged delegates.
 
What is the logic behind the "respect the will of the people" line? The only situation where Sanders gets the nomination is if he convinces supers to go against the will of the people and nominate the candidate with less pledged delegates.

These people are too deluded to realize that.
 
Voters telling politicians that they won't vote for them if they don't follow the majority of the people they represent is "attacking", "disgusting" and the same as Trump's fascist mob? Okay...
 
Disgusting, his supporters really let him down.

They're also incredibly deluded.

His rhetoric is at least partially to blame for the behaviour exhibited by his supporters. If Sanders doesn't change his communication strategy, he will be responsible for creation (if it isn't already too late) of the left wing version of the tea party.
 
What is the logic behind the "respect the will of the people" line? The only situation where Sanders gets the nomination is if he convinces supers to go against the will of the people and nominate the candidate with less pledged delegates.

Bernie's argument last week was Superdelegates in states that he won should follow the will of the people and vote for him instead of Hillary. In states that he didn't win, they should vote for him anyone because "momentum."

This was after he and his campaign spent the last few months complaining about how undemocratic they were, and after Bernie managed to throw huge sections of the party, DNC and progressive groups under the bus.
 
What is the logic behind the "respect the will of the people" line? The only situation where Sanders gets the nomination is if he convinces supers to go against the will of the people and nominate the candidate with less pledged delegates.
I think it's because Bernie trounced Hillary in Washington, yet every super from WA is still going for her.

Supers are within their right to do so. People are also within their right to complain about it and vote them out.

Other than to shit on Bernie and his supporters, what's the point of this thread?
That's about it. He got all the news this weekend so the pot needs to be stirred.
 
Say what you will, at least this is playing out in a public arena. Not the behind closed doors work of the GOP to steal delegates away from whomever they are pledged to. Granted, I hope they do that as I do not want to see Trump any closer to the President, but still.
 
One of the most ardent and irrational Hillary fans on GAF, who has been wrong on numerous points and predictions over the last few weeks, and completely misinformed on so many others, makes a laughably biased thread with language and narrative skew that sounds more akin to something you'd see on Fox News or some jaded blog than anything remotely partial. Attacking? Bullying? Lol. They're permitted to voice their displeasure at these super delegates supporting candidates that go well against the voting populace, just as much as you or anyone else is permitted to voice your displeasure at their displeasure.
 
I think it's because Bernie trounced Hillary in Washington, yet every super from WA is still going for her.

Supers are within their right to do so. People are also within their right to complain about it and vote them out.


They are going after supers in states that Hillary won as well.
 
What is the logic behind the "respect the will of the people" line? The only situation where Sanders gets the nomination is if he convinces supers to go against the will of the people and nominate the candidate with less pledged delegates.

A lot of those are state-by-state. Lots of the superdelegates are themselves elected officials; it's not unreasonable to expect your representative to support the candidate you yourself support.

It's obviously not a sure-fire strategy: if superdelegates went along with their states' splits, Hilary still wins the delegate race. But maybe you figure you can wear away the "presumptive nominee" label on Hilary by pulling some "committed" super delegates over to Bernie, thereby giving him "momentum" going into the rest of the contests?
 
I may disagree with some of the language, but these are the voters and if the people they voted into office are not representing their interests then they have every right to voice their opinion and not re-elect them.
 
I think it's because Bernie trounced Hillary in Washington, yet every super from WA is still going for her.

Supers are within their right to do so. People are also within their right to complain about it and vote them out.
So should his supporters turn on Bernie for going after Supers in states Hillary dominated?
 
i voted for bernie in my primary.
But the online grossness around some of his supporters is just vile.
Gives me GG type vibes. I hate it
 
The "left-wing tea party" scare mongering is laughable, ya'll getting played by the media. The demographic of Sanders voters you're so worried about are a fraction of a fraction of his base. The optics of these social media things makes everything seem way more blown out and out of control than it actually is.
 
So, so you or do you not take issue with Howard Dean's statement?

I think some of these supporters are acting like damn fools, but I'm kind of disgusted by his sentiment as well.
 
Honestly, I don't see anything wrong with this. At least the comments the OP posted seem to be rather civil to be honest.

If someone wants to to tweet their leaders to try to reconsider their vote, then more power to them. It's not like they're issuing death threats or anything and threats about not voting for them next election is no big deal.
 
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