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[Maninthemirror]

Came across this yesterday. Pretty much unsurprising the treatment of women spans beyond cultures, religions and demographics and comes from Men's desire to power and control.

http://www.businessinsider.com/rural-chinese-men-are-buying-vietnamese-brides-for-3200-2014-8

It is a refrain heard across China, where decades of sex-selective abortions by families who prefer boys to girls now see 118 males born for every 100 females, according to government statistics.

The resulting gender gap has led to an explosion in "bride prices", payments traditionally made by the groom's relatives, hitting men in the poor countryside the hardest.

"To get married, the bride's family will often require a car and a house, so it's easier to get married if you have more money," said shopkeeper Wang Yangfang, adding: "In Vietnam, they demand lower prices."

The typical cost for a Vietnamese woman is 20,000 yuan ($3,200), Linqi residents said -- less than a quarter of the local price, and such a bargain that more than 20 Vietnamese women have found homes in the area in recent years.

But the trade is also rife with abuses.

At a shelter in Vietnam, AFP this year spoke to a dozen girls who said they were tricked by relatives, friends or boyfriends and sold to Chinese men as brides.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/rura...etnamese-brides-for-3200-2014-8#ixzz3J4lKdCSJ

Looking at it further I found this

http://sea-globe.com/a-perfect-match-brides-vietnam-southeast-asia-globe-magazine/

Vietnamese women made up 34% of South Korean men’s international marriages in 2011, significantly more than brides from other Southeast Asian countries (9% were Filipino, 4% were Cambodian), according to government-run Statistics Korea. The divorce rate for Vietnamese-Korean couples is more than 30%, with mother-in-law conflict, language barriers and mistreatment cited as the main reasons, according to a report by Vietnam’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Brides equate marrying a foreigner with escaping the poverty cycle. “Rural girls here have no knowledge of the world and can’t imagine a worse situation than what they’re leaving behind,” said To Phuong, 30, a woman originally from the Mekong Delta, Vietnam’s poorest region.

 

[studyguy]

That guarantee... yeesh.

J&N owner Janson Ong justifies the higher fees in a video on his website: “Most of my men are very simple-minded and don’t know how to make their wife happy, so we need a virgin. Also, in Vietnam there is a lot of HIV, so I insist the girls are 100% real virgin.” He goes on to describe cheaper agencies’ alleged techniques for faking virginity – some surgically replace a woman’s hymen, others teach wives to smear blood from a bitten finger on the bed sheets.

What the shit

 

[AAAnonymous]

Men's desire to power and control.

= Why Socialism gets so off track

Spoiler

= Why _____ gets so off track

 

[Ferrio]

I have enough money in savings to buy three! Harem anime incoming.

 

[Wanace]

The obsession with the chaste always astonishes me. Gimme some experience!

 

[Cagey]

The obsession with the chaste always astonishes me. Gimme some experience!

That's why smart buyers only spring for certified pre-owned Vietnamese. Lower cost, same high quality, same unbeatable one-year warranty, and the light mileage helps with breaking it in.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

If ran away within a year, you get another one for FREE.

I...I don't even know what to say. Are women worth so little in Vietnam that they can be sold into sexual and domestic servitude like it's not a big deal?

 

[Cerity]

It's pretty common here for Vietnamese guys to head over to Vietnam and bring back a wife, you're the one who gets paid (50-60K AUD last I heard, would be higher nowadays) as they're doing it to get citizenship and bring their family across.

 

[studyguy]

The obsession with the chaste always astonishes me. Gimme some experience!

Gotta be pure as freshly laid snow bruh.
Just like my animus.

Anyhow, buying a wife seems all kinds of fucked up. If you have friends or family I don't know how you face them saying your found your wife on the Craigslist of bridal services.

 

[WalkMan]

If ran away within a year, you get another one for FREE.

I...I don't even know what to say. Are women worth so little in Vietnam that they can be sold into sexual and domestic servitude like it's not a big deal?

Only in the brokeass rural villages. It's equivalent to buying trailer trash in the US, otherwise Vietnam's economy is booming and there's a growing middle class.

 

[theechrisfox]

Where would they even run away to? Some even worse situation... :/

 

[DoktorEvil]

Anyhow, buying a wife seems all kinds of fucked up. If you have friends or family I don't know how you face them saying your found your wife on the Craigslist of bridal services.

Doesn't China has an issue with more men in the general population than women?

That "one child per family" policy coming back to bite the country on the ass hard.

 

[Ferrio]

So if they run away you get a new one? What if they kept "running away" so you kept cycling new wives and getting them outta their shitty situations?

 

[ezrarh]

It's pretty common here for Vietnamese guys to head over to Vietnam and bring back a wife, you're the one who gets paid (50-60K AUD last I heard, would be higher nowadays) as they're doing it to get citizenship and bring their family across.

At least with that the girl has some say in it as they (and their family) are paying for it versus this situation where girls are just being sold and paid for by the guy.

I got Vietnamese people telling me I should go over there and get a wife (I'm Vietnamese) even though I'm already dating a girl who happens to be not Vietnamese.

 

[Kwixotik]

So if they run away you get a new one? What if they kept "running away" so you kept cycling new wives and getting them outta their shitty situations?

Twist: Now you're a murder suspect

 

[studyguy]

Doesn't China has an issue with more men in the general population than women?

That "one child per family" policy coming back to bite the country on the ass hard.

That's what I've heard, but then again I'm no expert on the subject. I would imagine it probably has made quite a dent in their female population though if guys have to go this far to find a wife. Shit's cray

 

[Anton Sugar]

So if they run away you get a new one? What if they kept "running away" so you kept cycling new wives and getting them outta their shitty situations?

 

[PhantomHound]

Horrible. It's hard to believe this kind of shit still goes on in the world.

 

[Ventara]

Holy crap, those guarantees make it sound like they're objects. Isn't this kinda like slavery?

 

[DoktorEvil]

That's what I've heard, but then again I'm no expert on the subject. I would imagine it probably has made quite a dent in their female population though if guys have to go this far to find a wife. Shit's cray

Between this and the 99 iPhones thread, Chinese men are probably struggling badly with relationships and dating.

 

[Cipherr]

Jesus Christ at the "Get 1 FREE!" if they runaway.

 

[studyguy]

Between this and the 99 iPhones thread, Chinese men are probably struggling badly with relationships and dating.

I dunno dude, but the struggle seems real out there.

 

[Do Better]

Between this and the 99 iPhones thread, Chinese men are probably struggling badly with relationships and dating.

Yeah, that dude could have bought 3 Vietnamese wives.

Spoiler

All virgins

 

[PhantomHound]

Holy crap, those guarantees make it sound like they're objects. Isn't this kinda like slavery?

It is slavery.

 

[threetri333]

Yeah, that dude could have bought 3 Vietnamese wives.

Spoiler

All virgins

Correction: 13 Vietnamese Wives.

 

[speculawyer]

That is some vile stuff. Human trafficking needs to stop.

 

[IdreamofHIME]

Between this and the 99 iPhones thread, Chinese men are probably struggling badly with relationships and dating.

Like the other guy said, there's a massive shift in sex poulation in China thanks to their rules over the past few decades. I think I read there's about 60 million more men under 40 in China than women now. That's the entire population of the UK!
So women (and their families) hold all the power. Huge dowries are expected, massive amounts to be spent on the actual courtship and of course only the good looking/rich may apply.

Girl power!

 

[harriet the spy]

I visited Vietnam last year with my wife. I was surprised by how much antagonism there was towards China and Korea - especially on the topic of them 'stealing' vietnamese women. Completely (up until that point) nice and normal driver would go on a vicious, xenophobic rant about how it was famous that korean men were (simultaneously) total wusses because of their sappy drama, but also reputed women abusers (the guy insisted over and over that a US study proved that Korean men were the most abusive and violent husbands in the world). And this was heard quite a few times (but not from everyone).

 

[shuri]

I dunno dude, but the struggle seems real out there.

'I can get to almost smell her crotch when we do this. Almost'

 

[Mesousa]

Coming soon to India if they don't start trying to correct the gender imbalance in certain parts of the country.

 

[entremet]

The one child policy is a disaster.

It has only created a huge gender disparity, leaving many single men desperate for eligible women.

 

[DoktorEvil]

Like the other guy said, there's a massive shift in sex poulation in China thanks to their rules over the past few decades. I think I read there's about 60 million more men under 40 in China than women now. That's the entire population of the UK!
So women (and their families) hold all the power. Huge dowries are expected, massive amounts to be spent on the actual courtship and of course only the good looking/rich may apply.

Girl power!

That sounds so terrible and antiquated.

Im surprised that more men haven't decided to up and leave the country.

 

[Divvy]

That sounds so terrible and antiquated.

Im surprised that more men haven't decided to up and leave the country.

It's not just the population difference, but also the "ladder" problem where there exists a culture where men do not want to be with a woman equal, or higher up on the ladder than them, where the ladder refers to social, or economic status. With more and more women moving to the cities in China and working full time jobs, this has made things worse lately. Worse yet, many very successful women are having a hard time finding a husband because they are culturally undesirable despite the gender ratio disparity. China's gender dynamics are all sorts of fucked up right now.

 

[SimleuqiR]

So if they run away you get a new one? What if they kept "running away" so you kept cycling new wives and getting them outta their shitty situations?

"Run away!"

Works every time.

 

[HK-47]

Doesn't China has an issue with more men in the general population than women?

That "one child per family" policy coming back to bite the country on the ass hard.

More like caustic gender culture biting them.

It's not nature birthing patterns that are causing the problem

 

[Zoe]

I don't know if it's really a mail-order bride thing, but I've read of something similar going on in Japan. Not because of gender inequality, but because nobody wants to run farms anymore.

 

[Syriel]

It's not just the population difference, but also the "ladder" problem where there exists a culture where men do not want to be with a woman equal, or higher up on the ladder than them, where the ladder refers to social, or economic status. With more and more women moving to the cities in China and working full time jobs, this has made things worse lately. Worse yet, many very successful women are having a hard time finding a husband because they are culturally undesirable despite the gender ratio disparity. China's gender dynamics are all sorts of fucked up right now.

Don't understand this at all.

What kind of man wouldn't want a successful wife?

Two people with solid jobs/incomes are going to have a much easier life than a couple with just one good income.

 

[DoktorEvil]

It's not just the population difference, but also the "ladder" problem where there exists a culture where men do not want to be with a woman equal, or higher up on the ladder than them, where the ladder refers to social, or economic status. With more and more women moving to the cities in China and working full time jobs, this has made things worse lately. Worse yet, many very successful women are having a hard time finding a husband because they are culturally undesirable despite the gender ratio disparity. China's gender dynamics are all sorts of fucked up right now.

This logic sounds so ass backwards.

 

[Divvy]

Don't understand this at all.

What kind of man wouldn't want a successful wife?

Two people with solid jobs/incomes are going to have a much easier life than a couple with just one good income.

It also goes the other way. Women want to find a husband higher on the ladder than they are. It's stupid as fuck. Not only that, but women over the age of 27 there are seen as undesireable as well.

I found a reuter's article about it

The term "shengnu" - directly translated as "leftover women" - was coined to refer to professional women who have not married by their late 20s.

"Chinese people often think males should be higher in a relationship in every sense, including height, age, education and salary," Ni Lin, who hosts a popular match-making television show in Shanghai, told Reuters.

"This leads to a phenomenon in which A-grade men marry B-grade women, B-grade men marry C-grade women and C-grade men marry D-grade women. Only A-grade women and D-grade men can't find partners."

In Beijing, more than a third of women in their late 20s and 30s are looking for husbands, according to the dating website Jiayuan.com. Media reports say there may be as many as 500,000 "leftover women" in the capital.

There are plenty of men to go round among China's nearly 1.4 billion people but social status can conspire against single professional woman once again.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/9036617/Chinas-leftover-women-find-love-tough

 

[y2dvd]

It's pretty sickening that they are advertised like property in a craigslist ad.

 

[Grifter]

Twist: Now you're a murder suspect

Can't a brother just enjoy free warrantied virgins?

 

[Marty Chinn]

Don't understand this at all.

What kind of man wouldn't want a successful wife?

Two people with solid jobs/incomes are going to have a much easier life than a couple with just one good income.

It's likely to do with focus. Someone with a career is going to have some focus on their career rather than complete focus on their spouse. Plus if you have two people with a career, then it's likely both are going to have to contribute around the house rather than having a wife who takes care of all that. A man who wants those things probably doesn't look for a successful wife.

 

[nampad]

Yeah, it is quite common for some poor Vietnamese women, which is why Vietnamese women have a bad reputation in places like Singapore.
I think why Vietnamese girls are more popular compared to the other poor countries, is because they have fairer/whiter skin.

Just recently read an article about the difficulty of citizenship for the children when the women flee back to Vietnam, which makes it even worse.

It's pretty common here for Vietnamese guys to head over to Vietnam and bring back a wife, you're the one who gets paid (50-60K AUD last I heard, would be higher nowadays) as they're doing it to get citizenship and bring their family across.

Heard €50.000 some years ago.
Most of the guys don't do it for the money though.

 

[Juice]

So if they run away you get a new one? What if they kept "running away" so you kept cycling new wives and getting them outta their shitty situations?

It's like that thread with the guy who had 8 PS4s replaced

 

[Winterfang]

To get married, the bride's family will often require a car and a house, so it's easier to get married if you have more money," said shopkeeper Wang Yangfang, adding: "In Vietnam, they demand lower prices."

That's quite "classic". Like medieval definition of marriage.

 

[industrian]

In Korea, Vietnamese women are popular with guys who live in the countryside or in other lesser-developed regions. Basically because women in Korea (as with all of East Asia) are now wanting to be educated, have their own careers, to not be tied down in traditional family roles, to have a more open lifestyle, and to enjoy their 20s instead of being forced to get married to the first available guy their mother finds for them.

This leads a lot of women to move away to larger cities, leaving behind a lot of lonely guys who not only feel incompatible with "modern" women, but also can't compete with or offer them the lifestyle they want. So they get a wife from Vietnam instead.

mother-in-law conflict

Oh boy. When I worked in Korea, my co-worker told me a lot of stories about how her husband's mother would constantly bitch at her. To the point where she felt totally worthless and degraded and almost left the relationship. If that's what a Korean-Korean marriage is like, these Vietnamese girls must get it hard.

 

[Valkerionseven]

Not surprised, pretty much the only result of their one baby/extreme preference towards males. Guess that whole preference towards traditional Han Chinese is gone too~ Wonder when the government will step in and say something, or maybe the majority of the population will realize there is an issue first.

 

[Jimrpg]

I don't know why people are surprised, perhaps it's just the west that's different to the rest of the world.

 

[CadetMahoney]

Like the other guy said, there's a massive shift in sex poulation in China thanks to their rules over the past few decades. I think I read there's about 60 million more men under 40 in China than women now. That's the entire population of the UK!

So women (and their families) hold all the power. Huge dowries are expected, massive amounts to be spent on the actual courtship and of course only the good looking/rich may apply.

Girl power!

I know poor men had it bad, but now it's on a next level. Great if you're rich no matter how ugly/obese you are.

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

It's unforgiveable. Particularly the things that are going on in India:

Saira Liaqat, 26

Saira holds a photograph of herself before being burned. Saira was married at 15, but was to live with her parents until she finished school. Her husband wasn’t so keen on the idea, and attacked her with acid as punishment for making him wait. Saira has had nine surgeries since.

Link; WARNING; Some of these are much much worse; http://www.ryot.org/photos-these-wo...id-for-turning-down-marriage-proposals/559641




Some of the most prevalent early feminists said it was a great idea to reduce the male population to 10%. When you see how much vile oppression is everywhere.. in South America and Africa its the same thing. Horrifying violence that ruins peoples lives. literally. These people are not even slaves nor punching bags. they are fair game to mutilate and destroy.