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Asking the father for marriage permission

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well, I proposed three weeks ago and I didn't ask for her father's permission. First because we are over 30, we'be been living together for two years, and most important, they had been telling us to get married for a long time, so I didn't feel I had to do it.

I thought about asking her father for his permission but I found it hard to say it, not because I have any problems with her parents, I love them and I know they love me as well, but I'm not any good at all with those kind of situations :/
 
Her parents speak down to me as well, hell just on wednesday while i was at work her mom asked my girl if i was an alcoholic or not. I know hurr durr you have an alcohol name as a user name but really I don't drink that often. Her basis was that put rum in my mouth, which i do from time to time but to numb my gums.

Do you think it could have anything to do with them putting you up and letting you live in their house where they presumably know you're having sex with their daughter?

I would imagine that this wouldn't sit right with most parents unless they knew you well and already thought you deserved to be with their daughter. And in many cases not even then.
 
You're putting way too much weight into the importance of that guesture. More importantly is whether they like you and if they think you'll take good care of their daughter. I never asked my wife's father for his blessing and he's about as southern conservative as they come. We get along great and just the other day he thanked me for being a great son-in-law. Treat them with respect, help them out if they have problems and I guarantee it'll mean much more to them than that silly ritual.
Yeah you are right. Those are the most important things. I guess I'm just more of a traditional guy and it didn't feel right to me not doing it first. It just felt like a first step in the process. All marriage stuff is antiquated shit.

But as long as they know where you're head is at regarding your love and care for their daughter that's really all that matters. Personal preference otherwise.
 
I guess the difference is, did you ask them if you could marry her or did you tell them you were getting married, as they are different things.

With me it was more about announcing my intention to marry their daughter. It's not so much asking for permission, as it is asking for their blessing. When you're at that point, you already know it's cool, and that they're cool with it. We all knew that marriage was going to happen eventually. It's a friendly gesture, that's all.
 
I think if you DO decide to do something ridiculous like a marriage, you should do it like it was meant to be.

On the other hand, it's your life. Do as you please. Who gives a fuck? People will overcome your decisions i think.
 
Times change I guess.

My father was a traditionalist with a twist, he'd not only expect the conversation - if it didn't happen voluntarily he forced it by inviting the victim prospective son/daughter-in-law to an interview where, in his twinkling not-sure-if-serious way he would quiz them on everything from the population of their home town to the performing talents. the all of us would (mum, dad, their 5 children and the victim) would sit down to dinner and hold a mock board meeting discussing the merits/demerits of the proposed marriage and of course all voting in favour at the end. Made it a bit uncomfortable for the victim at the start, but it broke the ice brilliantly. We're all still happily married 20-25 years on.

In my turn I'm a lot more laid back about it. I don't expect to be asked permission - it doesn't matter whether you do that or ask a blessing or just announce your intentions. What is important to me is that whatever you do, you do it face to face and we have a proper talk.

? You do it out of respect because it's a tradition that they appreciate and because the reality is that in most cases, your spouse's parents become a part of your life in some way, so you want to help create a good relationship between them and you.

It's not about whether you "believe in it" or not.

This. Plus there's the practical side that sometime in the future you might need your parents-in-laws support, and it is likely (if it happens) to be when something's gone wrong - serious illness, children problems, financial, whatever. It's easier to discuss that sort of stressful stuff if you've already had one uncomfortable conversation with them.

When I went to her house, I called ahead and said I wanted to talk to both of them about something. We'd been together for a long ass time so they pretty much knew what was up.

I sat down with both of them in the family, we made small talk for 15-20 minutes and then her dad said "Well...I know you didn't come over here to make chit-chat..so...?" And I dropped into it. Little speech about how I loved their daughter and would greatly appreciate their blessing of our marriage.

Her mom was beaming the whole time, her dad greatly appreciated the gesture. Of course they said yes and I went on my merry way and proposed to my wife on a dinner cruise in NYC.

Before this I hardly talked to them at length. It was a great thing to do and helped pave the way for our future relationship.

This is exactly why you do it.

I think it depends on what culture the father comes from.

I proposed to my missus last year and her dad is from Peru and he raised her by himself since she was was 8 yrs old when her mother passed away.

Now I grew up thinking I probably wouldn't have asked the parents of a girl who comes from a westernised family, but i think with other cultures it carries that much more significance if you do. We're paying for our wedding so it wasn't to score a freebie or anything like that.

We had talked about getting married before I proposed so she had an inkling it was coming (but didn't know when) and she suggested it was be appreciated if I did so, so I did.

It was relatively painless for me (short of arranging a time to meet up without her knowing).

Called to meet up with the dad after work while she was out at a work function, went to dinner with him came back to his place and told him "As you know I am in love in with your daughter and that I would appreciate your blessing in us getting married".

His response: "About time!" lol. He later said to my fiance that I respected him more than she does heh.

And this is exactly the right way to do it.


Sure, it is an antiquated tradition that goes way back to when people married a lot younger and there were dowries and stuff involved (there still is in some places), but it is still a nice thing to do.
 
Do you think it could have anything to do with them putting you up and letting you live in their house where they presumably know you're having sex with their daughter?

I would imagine that this wouldn't sit right with most parents unless they knew you well and already thought you deserved to be with their daughter. And in many cases not even then.

I do wonder this gentlemen is the father of a child with the daughter. It does seem possibly inconsistent for parents, who hold some traditional beliefs, to allow a live-in boyfriend in their household.
 
Well we will have lived together 2-3 years and known each other around 4 by the time marriage happens. If they let this one little tradition destroy any good will that has been developed then that's pretty pathetic

come one man if the good will is broken with such a minor event than it was not there in the first place.
 
I didn't really ask permission.
I went there and told him I'm going to marry his daughter.

I don't think its his say what she can do or not.
He 's say or not, we'll be together.
The reason I did it is because my gf is very family oriented. If it want for that I wouldn't bother.
 
Take 2 minutes to ask him.

If he says yes, marry her.

If he says no, marry her.

If his answer doesn't matter, it's an empty gesture. You're basically brown nosing.


Well of course there will always be exceptions like that.

But if the father is a decent person, then I see no harm in doing it. Saying "no" just because "it's tradition" seems a bit silly to me. The person who took care of your partner from the very beginning of her life, at the very least deserves that.

By this logic the wife should ask the husband's parents too.
 
It's a traditions just go along with it.
Then require your wife to agree to obey you in the marriage vows for 'traditions sake'.
 
Do what your love wants. If she wants that to happen, go for it. If not, then don't bother. Feel free to declare intentions, but don't waste your time asking. You're a big boy.
 
Man, this thread is depressing! I would never marry a woman without asking her parents.

It is not some old archaic tradition. It is a sign of respect, whether you like the parents or not. There people raised your wife-to be. They fed her, they clothed, and nurtured her. And you are going to come in and marry her without even asking or acknowledging the parents? WTF

She is not some leaf that you found on the edge of a tree branch. Show some respect people! Some of the replies are so sad.
 
For the OP, it depends on the relation you have with your GF's dad.

Personally, I think that my GF's dad likes me so I asked my niece to ask him my GF's hand on behalf on my then newborn baby.

The intention was to surprise my GF more than anything because his answer was :"Why not? You already have all the rest." ;)
 
It's an antiquated tradition/formality... I say don't bother unless you know for sure that you're going to get tons of grief from your woman or the Dad if you don't. I got married about 3 years ago and I didn't do it... although, we did joke that it would be really funny if I had done it by showing up his lawn with a couple of goats and a sheep, saying something like, "This is what I'm prepared to offer you in trade for your daughter's hand" or something :-)
 
Its a hollow gesture and one that doesn't have much relevance in today's society. Are you really not going to marry the woman/man you love enough to want to spend your entire life with them because their father said no? I think maybe you should have been dating the father from the start.

It's more of an FYI nowadays than truly asking for permission. You should do it anyway if the father is a part of her life, but the answer doesn't matter in the least.

You can also do it after the fact, like I did.
 
Op sounds like an asshole. Why would you talk to your gf's parents like that? That said I can't see a real reason as to having to do it, but it's an obvious show of respect and if you are are on good terms with the family I don't really see the big deal.
 
Man, this thread is depressing! I would never marry a woman without asking her parents.

It is not some old archaic tradition. It is a sign of respect, whether you like the parents or not. There people raised your wife-to be. They fed her, they clothed, and nurtured her. And you are going to come in and marry her without even asking or acknowledging the parents? WTF

She is not some leaf that you found on the edge of a tree branch. Show some respect people! Some of the replies are so sad.

So why does the wife not have a conversation with the husband-to-be's parents?

The person that you're asking to marry you is likely already on her own and supporting herself, assuming that you're popping the question when both of you are adults.

It seems like so many of the arguments in this thread basically revolve around, "you do it just because!" Why should somebody's respect for me at all involve the decisions that I make with their autonomous progeny? Unless I'm injecting black tar heroin into their veins, they should respect me because their daughter does.

If somebody is so insecure that they NEED the observance of a pointless and archaic ritual in order to have their opinion of me validated, that's their problem. If my prospective wife didn't care, then that's the end of it.

Edit: To put it differently - WHY is it a sign of respect? Hell, if I'm going to pop the question to somebody, I don't want anybody to know before her; it seems far more romantic and respectful to me to have her say yes and then inform everybody of our decision together.
 
It's a formality that takes all of 20 seconds. If the dad wants you to do it, do it. He want's to play a big role in one of his baby's biggest life decisions. It's out of respect and love. If he's a dick then whatever but if he's a cool guy, why not let him feel good about giving his baby away to a respectful young man who will treat her right.

I'm not one for tradition, ass kissing or anything like that but if my wife's father was alive I would have asked him, cause she was his only child and a really cool guy. I know it would have made him happy.
 
So why does the wife not have a conversation with the husband-to-be's parents?

The person that you're asking to marry you is likely already on her own and supporting herself, assuming that you're popping the question when both of you are adults.

It seems like so many of the arguments in this thread basically revolve around, "you do it just because!" Why should somebody's respect for me at all involve the decisions that I make with their autonomous progeny? Unless I'm injecting black tar heroin into their veins, they should respect me because their daughter does.

If somebody is so insecure that they NEED the observance of a pointless and archaic ritual in order to have their opinion of me validated, that's their problem. If my prospective wife didn't care, then that's the end of it.

The same thing applies for the woman too. I was answering what the thread was asking. (asking the father of the bride). The woman has to speak with her husband-to-be's parents to get their blessings.

This is how it is done in our religion and culture.
 
If his answer doesn't matter, it's an empty gesture. You're basically brown nosing.

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That's why I didn't ask permission, I told him I was going to marry his daughter and asked his blessing as a gesture of respect. I have a great relationship with my father-in-law, and I'm glad we sat down and talked about this.
 
Now, I will say: it's one thing to say that the ritual is important; it's another thing to say that, if you have a good relationship between your parents-in-law, you might want to consider having a conversation with them and getting their opinion before you pop the question. But, one should only do that if one is prepared to take into account the opinions OF the prospective parents-in-law, else it is an empty gesture. Perhaps some of you see observing tradition for the sake of it as important, but I don't; I want to live my life in as conscious and active a way as possible, and though you must do certain things in this world to placate others, I think that it's important to keep such to a minimum.
 
Empty gesture. You aren't marrying her dad or mom, you're marrying her. Doing it because you want their blessings is stupid. They're not fucking shamans.
 
My gf's sister was getting bitched at by her parents about this because her husband didn't and I popped in how I don't plan on it and her dad said would kick my ass and her mom said that i had to because that's how it's done and I said I don't believe in it and then she like then I wont be marrying and I lol'd and said she couldn't control her daughter.

I tried reading this outloud the way it's written, without any breaks, and just barely pulled it off.

:jnc


On topic: yes, I asked the father of my wife (at the time girlfriend) for his blessing. I expect my daughters' boyfriends to do the same in the future.
With the shitty attitude some guys have these days (sorry, jakncoke, but you're included), I'm not counting on it.

Grow some balls and do the respectable thing. If he says yes you look like a gentleman and class act. If he says no you can be a badass rebel.
 
What do you think the whole idea of marriage is based around?

You got me there.



Grow some balls and do the respectable thing. If he says yes you look like a gentleman and class act. If he says no you can be a badass rebel.

"Do the respectable thing and then if he says no just disregard his wishes!" Yeah that sounds totally respectable.

And I don't see how it takes balls to go along with some pointless tradition.
 
Harmless gesture, and would probably earn you brownie points to cash in the future.


Also who is going to pay for the wedding?
 
It seems like so many of the arguments in this thread basically revolve around, "you do it just because!" Why should somebody's respect for me at all involve the decisions that I make with their autonomous progeny? Unless I'm injecting black tar heroin into their veins, they should respect me because their daughter does.

I am not understanding why this is the case. Can you elaborate?

How you treat the person is where respect is really lost or gained. Just because person X respects you doesn't mean Y should as well. Especially if you act in different ways to X compared to Y.
 
It's gesture of respect. You don't believe in it ... lol.
I agree, though in this day and age it's more about talking to the parents about it in advance rather than asking the father for permission. You're joining families together so you should let them know about it, with the implication that you are also getting their approval/blessing in the process.

In the case of broken families with crazy parents, I can understand not doing this, but if you get along with their parents or even want to get along with them, it's courteous to let them know in advance.
 
My father in law didn't/doesn't care at all, just the sort of guy he is. Wife and I got married after having a child together so it wasn't a traditional startup anyway.

Still, after all these years, I wish I had. He's a really good guy.
 
Pointless. Why would I ask his permission? It's not his decision, his daughter is a grown woman. But I do suppose it depends on the family. My wife and her dad have a great relationship, but I wouldn't say they are super close. Her dad and I also have an awesome relationship, but it's not like I call him on the phone. My wife moved away to college right after high school, and never moved home. So...in our scenario it was unnecessary for me to ask her father permission to marry his totally independent daughter.
 
If someone marries my daughter without talking to me first, I'm going to have to kick some ass.

edit: figuratively of course
 
I despise traditions like this with every fiber of my being. I also despise the tradition of marriage (though I am married but we got hitched because we were from different countries).

There was no way in hell I would partake in some long-unnecessary tradition of asking a man if he is willing to transfer ownership of his female property to me. If the father demands you ask, you should demand some goats or some other dowry in exchange, its only fair.

And why does it have to be the father? The mother isn't important enough to warrant asking permission? Or is she too busy cooking and ironing his work clothes?
 
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