What delay to announce? the rumors regarding the announcement have always been around the end of April time.
or was there any rumors or is its just
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Assuming all rumors are true, will you buy the next Xbox?
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What delay to announce? the rumors regarding the announcement have always been around the end of April time.
or was there any rumors or is its just
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Buying a console at launch is so great. I've done it twice: with the 360 and Gamecube. The Cube I got through ebgames or something. But the 360 I waited in line all night for. Just a really fun experience. I highly recommend it!
radioheadrule83
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Isn't it amazing? The insatiable desire for information has lead to people regarding rumour as indisputable fact and news in itself. There's no patience any more.
Appollowexx
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Yeah it's not just Edge though is it. A guy speaking to Kotaku even had recent documents and a dev kit that MS had seized from him. And why the need to put a "stake" in this? It's a games console, not a big deal...
Byakuya769
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Can I get it heavily subsidized with my cable subscription?
As the OP described it - NO.
As the OP described it - NO.
This really depends on one's mentality (and disposable income), as anyone who only gets one or two shorter games they enjoy can quickly find themselves going "Ok, now what?" It's way more fun when you can get the system with a pile of great games to play and jump between.
Of course sometimes there's practical reasons, I would've probably waited on the Wii U had my Wii not had a GPU that started to get a bit flaky, it stayed at the same level of artifacting for years but it'd be nice to just not have it at all, right? Especially when it's a deterrent to actually playing the Wii and the games are stuck to it.
Photolysis
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There's a good reason why my Steam collection only has 2 games in.
Yeah, I don't understand the need to gloat about being right when it comes to games bullshit. God forbid someone believe a rumor that turns out to be false! EGG ON YOUR FACE!
bigace33
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or Gear? yes, but not at launch and probably late in its lifecycle.
That DOES have an offline mode, games WILL keep running if your internet flakes out so long as you don't quit out, and the PC is a wide open platform that can require more protection unfortunately (though it's great when they don't slap it on!) On a closed platform you should be able to innately secure it well with little to no additional inconvenience to the user, so something as heavy handed as requiring always online is bullshit.
Iacobellis
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Hell no.
Baconsammy
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Same way any third party dev can - only release your games digitally.
Revolutionary
Member
The only way Microsoft will ever get me to buy their console is if they drop the Live paywall. So in other words: no.
Pretty much.
It's not required.
I can't believe people still hang onto this when the idea of "always on, always connected" was introduced years ago with the Wii.
Dreamgazer
Member
I wouldn't mind if it'll actually be a set-top-cable-streaming box.
Complimentary to the PS4/PC of course.
Whether online play will be free is still the bigger issue to me though.
ChimpanzeeThat
Member
If the rumours are true, then no, i won't buy it.
The only thing that would change my mind is a plethora of exciting and varied exclusives but i don't believe Microsoft have it in them to offer what i want.
The only thing that would change my mind is a plethora of exciting and varied exclusives but i don't believe Microsoft have it in them to offer what i want.
The rumor (which is what this thread is about) is that it's required.
ZombiePlatypus
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Absolutely not. I already have a really bitter taste in my mouth from the 360. (I partly blame it for fucking up RPGs on home consoles this gen.) If they follow that mess with some bloated DRM-box, there's no way I'd pay jack for it.
Nealand Liquor
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For me, Abso-fuckin-lutely.
Any console maker that will charge me for borrowing a game, or more to the point, force me to buy two copies of the same game so my kids can play it in their own rooms, can open wide and let me shit in their mouth. I truly wish stunning failure on anyone attempting this kind of bullshit.
If it turns out to be true, I am very much wanting to see how many dollars they are will to throw away chasing these dimes they think they may be losing.
My 360 is connected 99% of the time. XB3 requiring a connection wouldn't affect me very much, but at this moment I still feel like I would avoid the purchase on these grounds, because I don't agree with the premise.
No used games is far more offensive to me. I usually play a lot of games, but sometimes I go through periods where I don't play much, or I only play CoD/BF, or handhelds, or PC. Because of these windows of inactivity, Amazon gets a lot of business for me when I decide to play catch up. But if I have to pay $60 for a 6+ month old game, I'd be more likely to just skip it forever and play the next big thing.
My personal habits aside, I also feel that banning used games is anti-consumer, and I won't support it out of principle.
None of the other things really bother me. Assuming we have adequate HDDs, installing games isn't that big of a deal (and we already have the rumor that you can play while it installs). Weaker visuals probably won't mean much for 3rd party (aside from maybe lowering the bar altogether), and there are very few 1st party games (from either camp) that I actually care about. And the bigger OS/more app-focus could be cool. As long as both systems' OS load things at around the same speed I have nothing to complain about.
No used games is far more offensive to me. I usually play a lot of games, but sometimes I go through periods where I don't play much, or I only play CoD/BF, or handhelds, or PC. Because of these windows of inactivity, Amazon gets a lot of business for me when I decide to play catch up. But if I have to pay $60 for a 6+ month old game, I'd be more likely to just skip it forever and play the next big thing.
My personal habits aside, I also feel that banning used games is anti-consumer, and I won't support it out of principle.
None of the other things really bother me. Assuming we have adequate HDDs, installing games isn't that big of a deal (and we already have the rumor that you can play while it installs). Weaker visuals probably won't mean much for 3rd party (aside from maybe lowering the bar altogether), and there are very few 1st party games (from either camp) that I actually care about. And the bigger OS/more app-focus could be cool. As long as both systems' OS load things at around the same speed I have nothing to complain about.
Yeah, since the topic is about rumors we may as well play along with the rumor, since the idea is the worst case scenario's really happening. More likely, yeah, I'd HOPE they'd be smart enough to just let the console always be connected if a connection is there, and handle it way better than that half baked WiiConnect 24, but if it's not there then that's fine too, they understand things happen and not all games need it, so you can play with anything that doesn't require an internet connection.
On a similar note Kinect always there IS kinda crap, but we have to see what they do. There's worrisome patents, but patenting a shit idea =/= using a shit idea.
This is the comments I made in the Paul Thurrott topic about just this subject:
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My overall point being that so far if ANY of the rumours are true, I can't think of a single good bulletpoint about Durango to date. If I try really hard I think one of the rumours is you can load up more than one game at a time and switch between them seamlessly, but that's really all I can think of. It's just been one of the most disastrous pre-unveiling hype machines I've ever encountered. I hope to high jesus the rumours are just taking a piss. Therefore, IF the rumours are true, not only would I not buy Durango I run away from it as if it had ebola virus.
Amir0x said:
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Amir0x said:
My overall point being that so far if ANY of the rumours are true, I can't think of a single good bulletpoint about Durango to date. If I try really hard I think one of the rumours is you can load up more than one game at a time and switch between them seamlessly, but that's really all I can think of. It's just been one of the most disastrous pre-unveiling hype machines I've ever encountered. I hope to high jesus the rumours are just taking a piss. Therefore, IF the rumours are true, not only would I not buy Durango I run away from it as if it had ebola virus.
Uno Venova
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Appollowexx
Member
My man, that's the best way to go (because it's exactly what I'm doing hehe).
PC for multiplatform stuff so I'll always have it on Steam, PS4 for exclusives and non PC friendly content. Not sure about the Wii U though, I'll see how long it lasts...
Yeah, in reality it's probably just a low power mode for when you're not using the system and didn't outright tell it to shut down, anti-used games could simply be a good standardized online pass system, maybe flashing a QR code at Kinect so you don't have to waste time inputting a code, and the hard drive's probably going to be large enough to justify the auto install. In which case it boils down to: meh, get exclusives I want and I'll consider it, and if the last few years of 360 are any indication I'd probably pass anyway.
eddfromtheriver
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One big no-no for me.
I always buy the Nintendo console to play Smash Bros and Mario Kart and abandon them when they are finished. ;-; I still have a good time with them though.
makingmusic476
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I was a-ok with "always online" after I had six months of really consistent, fast internet speeds.
Then my connection started wigging out last night and didn't sort itself out until later today, and I fell back into the "do not want" camp.
That being said, I doubt I'll ever get a 720. I didn't own an OG Xbox or a 360. My favorite developers are all employed by Nintendo, Sony, or work for various PC-centric studios, with Kojima Productions, Platinum Games, and From Software pretty much being the only exceptions. Thus, Nintendo+Sony+Steam I go. Got my Wii U day one!
Then my connection started wigging out last night and didn't sort itself out until later today, and I fell back into the "do not want" camp.
That being said, I doubt I'll ever get a 720. I didn't own an OG Xbox or a 360. My favorite developers are all employed by Nintendo, Sony, or work for various PC-centric studios, with Kojima Productions, Platinum Games, and From Software pretty much being the only exceptions. Thus, Nintendo+Sony+Steam I go. Got my Wii U day one!
This ...with the possibility of buying one later on for Halo 5. If Halo 5 ever made it to PC (which I doubt), then not a chance in hell I'd buy it.
No, almost all of those rumors make the console sound terrible to me. Literally everything you posted makes me disgusted with the way things are going.
That said, I do see how many see those things as positives, they're just not for me.
That said, I do see how many see those things as positives, they're just not for me.
Alright, I am going to ignore my dislike for certain ideas in general and examine them seriously.
You make very valid points, but there are a couple of issues here. First, assuming that you can install your games on Xbox 720 as you would install a PC game brings up the obvious first problem: hard drive size. These are going to be 50 GB games that we will be playing and assuming the hard drive is 1 TB, that would mean you could only install 20 games of this size at a time. Meaning you will have to uninstall one game if you bought a 21st one. You'd need something on the order of 5 TBs to have a reasonable hard drive size to hold games of that size as that can hold 100 games.
The second problem is that GameStop, one of the biggest retailers of physical games period, is just not going to support a console that doesn't allow it to sell used games. It's already damning how small the PC game selection at GameStop is. One can guess that GameStop will just push the PS4 over the 720 because it behooves them to keep their used game business going. No matter our opinion of GameStop, it is the main video game retailer now and the only place where some people can find games offline.
The third problem is what is going to happen in 7 to 8 years when the 720's successor comes out. We've already seen Sony admit to abandoning backwards compatibility even in places where it would actually make since like with emulating the PS1. What's going to happen if we really do enter the smartphone and tablet future and the popular architecture is based on ARM? x86 software isn't going to play nicely on ARM, either physical or digital, and while we can obviously sell our old games from the last console, preventing used games prevents us as consumers from doing that.
Lastly, we've seen what happens for games that are primarily online with Diablo III and SimCity. We've also seen the PSN outage which made PSN unavailable for a month, and even seen how Call Of Duty 4 brought Xbox Live down due its expected popularity. Now imagine one of those events happening and you being unable to play your game or any game.
People always claim this phone-like plan for the 720, but I don't think it would work except in one particular case: The console being sold with your internet and cable plan. That's really the only way this could work, as people always forget one tiny little thing about cellphones, namely that you can use it as a phone. A phone coming with a phone plan makes perfect sense. A device like what the 720 aims to be should be bundled with plans from ISPs which means the Xbox Live fee should be bundled in with those monthly plans.
Now if Microsoft is successful with by doing that, then that's fine, but then... it's not really a console anymore and is instead a DVR that can play games. It's also not a console that I would buy... Neither would the PS4 be one, and if both did it, well, I'm already drifting towards just buying DRM-Free PC games and games on Steam and that will probably continue though with some jumping to Nintendo consoles.
So are there any actual laws in place that would force Microsoft to tell consumers that the next Xbox cannot play used games before it launches? Assuming this aspect is true im sure MS just would not say anything until they had to, and then they would have your money.
Also if always online were required, wouldent MS be limiting themselves pretty badly for awhile, since there are many areas even here in the US(not even mentioning worldwide) that either havr no internet, crap internet, or just really unreliable internet.
Those of us in Suburban, or Urban area I think tend to believe everyone has crazy awesome, or even just good internet, and there are many places where that still just is not the case.
Also if always online were required, wouldent MS be limiting themselves pretty badly for awhile, since there are many areas even here in the US(not even mentioning worldwide) that either havr no internet, crap internet, or just really unreliable internet.
Those of us in Suburban, or Urban area I think tend to believe everyone has crazy awesome, or even just good internet, and there are many places where that still just is not the case.