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[kingpotato]

I love the back and forth we are seeing with marketing for the upcoming generation. This has definitely happened before in previous generations, but the messaging coming out of camp Microsoft feels more sustained and focused on the core issue of power. To the average consumer they may see a bigger number on paper, but both platforms have a very similar feature set so this would be a weak argument if you couldn't SEE the difference. If you can't see it, then you better be able to FEEL it right? Let's just assume the price difference is negligible because they will likely be within ~$50 of each other given the reluctance to share price from either side -> Xbox needs to put their money where their mouth is and make sure the Xbox Series X looks like it skipped a generation. I'm worried that if the games are too similar in visual fidelity this bravado in tweets and interviews is going to blow back in their face. Now I know the hardcore among us will see a single extra FPS as a chasm so wide that it can't be denied, but the average gamer won't and if they don't see the superior numbers in the videos, they will not be swayed.

“Just Being Honest”- Xbox Boss Claims Advantage Over PlayStation 5

Xbox Boss ‘Felt Good’ After Sony’s PS5 Event

Here's where I get worried. How do you sell feeling? This messaging is the red flag I'm worried about.

Xbox Series X power will be all about 'feel,' says Phil Spencer

If you don't see a higher fidelity then this feeling of power may be about how fast things happen? I seem to remember Sony promising something similar.

 

[ManaByte]

Hellblade is the best looking next gen game we’ve seen thus far.

 

[jigglet]

If the July event is full of teasers I will be pissed. I want full blowout reveals for every major game. This includes multiplayer. Halo has always previewed campaign then had a separate multiplayer event later. I will be pissed if this is a campaign only event as I don’t give a shit about campaign.

 

[Jesb]

Hope they have a bunch of reveals. How crazy would it be if they announced a bunch of 1st party games are day one on gamepass.

 

[VCL]

I want to see cyberpunk 2077 running at 4k 60fps thanks to series x dlss 2.0 version

 

[Hawking Radiation]

I want to see cyberpunk 2077 running at 4k 60fps thanks to series x dlss 2.0 version

DLSS is an Nvidia feature.

 

[VCL]

DLSS is an Nvidia feature.

There is something called direct ML super sampling which is similar to dlss 2.0

 

[abacab driver]

First ask yourself; did Horizon Forbidden West, Gran Turismo 7, Ratchet & Clank, Returnal and Spiderman honestly 'blow your mind' or 'look like they skipped a gen'?

Then ask yourself; if MS showed the same quality but at double the frame rates + better resolution, would you give them credit?

 

[The Scrivener]

O ye of little faith. The Xbox July event is the E3 of 2020, and I have a feeling that Xbox will win E3.

 

[Yams]

The

I'm worried that if the games are too similar in visual fidelity this bravado in tweets and interviews is going to blow back in their face. Now I know the hardcore among us will see a single extra FPS as a chasm so wide that it can't be denied, but the average gamer won't and if they don't see the superior numbers in the videos, they will not be swayed.

The audience who closely scrutinizes every small graphical feature and frame drop are also the same audience who pays attention to what Phil or Cerny says. The "average gamer" won't know and won't care. They'll just hear through the grapevine which system is supposedly more powerful and then continue playing FIFA.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Too much talk that needs games to back it up. PS5 still showing much better graphics so far, even for cross-gen 3rd party.

 

[Max_Po]

They better show exclusives... I don't care about 1440p vs 1800p upscaling...I have human eyes not DF's 200X zoom on edge of screen low-poly waan waan shit ...

 

[SlimySnake]

I hope to God they stick with 1440p and show off ue5 and hellblade 2 quality visuals instead of the half gen leap down by Sony studios.

Oh and if they don't have gameplay with destruction, massive environmental interaction, and realistic enemy and npc a.ib behavior they can piss off just like Sony devs. No one wants to watch cinematic trailers anymore.

 

[TheAssist]

First ask yourself; did Horizon Forbidden West, Gran Turismo 7, Ratchet & Clank, Returnal and Spiderman honestly 'blow your mind' or 'look like they skipped a gen'?

Then ask yourself; if MS showed the same quality but at double the frame rates + better resolution, would you give them credit?

I have to wonder, what people think the difference really means. Lets forget about the SSD speeds for a second, since I guess most of us cant accurately predicts what thats gonna mean for most games. That advantage in TF's is rather small (percentage wise) and will maybe equate to a bit more frames or a bit higher resolution. Double the fps with higher res....yeah no.
In the end, you wont see a big difference on either console unless you really look very hard for it. Some thing will be better handeled on PS5 , others on Series X. It'll be interesting to see who does what, but for 3rd parties I wouldnt expect much.

Also, do people forget that Hellblade 1 was a pretty short AA game with decent but also not amazing graphics and at best serviceable gameplay ? (The motion capture was great). How is everyone expecting Hellblade 2 being that AAA powerhouse.

 

[II_JumPeR_I]

Most of the MS games target 60fps. Thats already a big improvement to me.

 

[mckmas8808]

I hope to God they stick with 1440p and show off ue5 and hellblade 2 quality visuals instead of the half gen leap down by Sony studios.

Oh and if they don't have gameplay with destruction, massive environmental interaction, and realistic enemy and npc a.ib behavior they can piss off just like Sony devs. No one wants to watch cinematic trailers anymore.

That's what Horizon II looked like to you?

 

[cireza]

Phil is trying to explain that 60fps feel better than 30. This is going to be difficult indeed.

 

[Max_Po]

That's what Horizon II looked like to you?

He is either wearing fanboy glasses or had one Ellie's

Spoiler

bigot sandwich

 

[bitbydeath]

Oh and if they don't have gameplay with destruction, massive environmental interaction, and realistic enemy and npc a.ib behavior they can piss off just like Sony devs. No one wants to watch cinematic trailers anymore.

Your expectations are too high. Those features will only be there if the game calls for it.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Of the games coming out this year I'm pretty sure Halo Infinite will look better than Spiderman: Miles Morales while running at 60fps.

 

[GHG]

Oh and if they don't have gameplay with destruction, massive environmental interaction, and realistic enemy and npc a.ib behavior they can piss off just like Sony devs. No one wants to watch cinematic trailers anymore.

But yet you liked this post from earlier in the thread:

Hellblade is the best looking next gen game we’ve seen thus far.

So which one is it?

 

[bitbydeath]

Of the games coming out this year I'm pretty sure Halo Infinite will look better than Spiderman: Miles Morales while running at 60fps.

That's a really tall order. IMO

 

[Mister Wolf]

That's a really tall order. IMO

We gonna see. When all the screenshot bullshit is over and we see the games running from the the perspective you will be using while playing.

 

[Larvana]

Too much talk that needs games to back it up. PS5 still showing much better graphics so far, even for cross-gen 3rd party.

PS5 showing much better graphics? You can't even compare it right now until the xbox event in July

 

[vaibhavpisal]

When Phil talks about feel, its compared to previous gen. He is not necessarily comparing it to ps5.

Any xbox/pc/gamepass exclusives with high enough quality would seal the deal for a lot of people. How will it look like it has skipped the generation when it hasn't?

 

[Bo_Hazem]

PS5 showing much better graphics? You can't even compare it right now until the xbox event in July

3rd party vs 3rd party? We can. So far, last xbox event was pretty weak, so we'll wait for July event.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

That's a really tall order. IMO

And this is only the first batch of games.

 

[abacab driver]

Also, do people forget that Hellblade 1 was a pretty short AA game with decent but also not amazing graphics and at best serviceable gameplay ? (The motion capture was great). How is everyone expecting Hellblade 2 being that AAA powerhouse.

Nah..Hellblade on my One X at 60fps looks better than almost anything this gen, was one of the best new ip's and only costed 30 bucks.

I'll personally take that (and Ori for that matter) over big budget letdowns we waited eons for like Death Stranding and Days Gone (those are 'triple A' right?) any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

I don't care how many A's people think Hellblade 2 is, it's a much deserved sequel that, judging by the trailer, will easily stand out amongst much bigger budget offerings.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Nah..Hellblade on my One X at 60fps looks better than almost anything this gen, was one of the best new ip's and only costed 30 bucks.

Hellblade on X1X

TLOU2 on PS4 Pro

I think you didn't play enough games for such statement.

 

[trapanesenyc]

I don't think they have to show all their cards like I thought they would since Sony's showing was good not superb. A meaty gameplay demo of Halo, some hellblade 2 gameplay, fable teaser and the initiative teaser should be more than enough. They can show outerwolds dlc. If they show everything it'll be a bit of overkill, but maybe that's what they need to people who aren't day 1 like me.

 

[Captain Hero]

Look I just don’t like too much talk and this guy Phil is really generating too many words since 2014 about greatness and best lineup, so judging by the history he needs to do actions more than spreading words like “ we have and we got and we feel good after PS5 show “ man it doesn’t work like that ..

now my thoughts on July event .. I expect them not to show all of their cards but at least two new IP with a date and I’m cool with that

 

[Redlight]

I love the back and forth we are seeing with marketing for the upcoming generation. This has definitely happened before in previous generations, but the messaging coming out of camp Microsoft feels more sustained and focused on the core issue of power. To the average consumer they may see a bigger number on paper, but both platforms have a very similar feature set so this would be a weak argument if you couldn't SEE the difference. If you can't see it, then you better be able to FEEL it right? Let's just assume the price difference is negligible because they will likely be within ~$50 of each other given the reluctance to share price from either side -> Xbox needs to put their money where their mouth is and make sure the Xbox Series X looks like it skipped a generation. I'm worried that if the games are too similar in visual fidelity this bravado in tweets and interviews is going to blow back in their face. Now I know the hardcore among us will see a single extra FPS as a chasm so wide that it can't be denied, but the average gamer won't and if they don't see the superior numbers in the videos, they will not be swayed.

Being able to 'see it' is a line that will be defended purely according to current allegiances.

If you took the 'average consumer' and showed tham an Xbox One game, then walked them into the next room and showed them the same game on PS4, they would be hard pressed to tell the difference. The PS4 was more powerful (and cheaper, another other main factor) and was marketed as such, would you say that Sony experienced 'blow-back' as a result?

I think not.

MS will be able to market the advantage in power continuously throughout this gen. If you are genuinely not committed to a purchase of a particular brand, then that messaging is a key marketing tool even if the differences aren't massive.

 

[ZywyPL]

Xbox Series X power will be all about 'feel,' says Phil Spencer

If you don't see a higher fidelity then this feeling of power may be about how fast things happen? I seem to remember Sony promising something similar.

You can't feel graphics fidelity, better visuals, but you can feel how smooth everything is, how damn well it controls. MS has been very clear that 60-120FPS is one of their main focuses for their games on next-gen console.

That's what Horizon II looked like to you?

Like a 1000th trailer that has little to do with the actual game... Same for HB2, and many other next-gen games "showed" so far. Seriously, how can you people do this to yourself when the rule is so simple: no HUD = no gameplay.

 

[turtlepowa]

Sony's event was a 5-6/10 at most. Would a 7/10 be mind blowing enough for you?

 

[Deleted member 740922]

Is the OP filling in for Vawn with this thread?

 

[Mass Shift]

I don't think they have to show all their cards like I thought they would since Sony's showing was good not superb. A meaty gameplay demo of Halo, some hellblade 2 gameplay, fable teaser and the initiative teaser should be more than enough. They can show outerwolds dlc. If they show everything it'll be a bit of overkill, but maybe that's what they need to people who aren't day 1 like me.

I'll be Day 1 but I don't need the first few offerings to blow my mind. I just want to see what they're up to with Hellblade, Fable, Forza and of course some of the exclusives they been working on.

I can chew on Halo, Bleeding Edge, Everwild and Cyberpunk, AC Valhalla and Mass Effect remaster while I wait for those.

I know there is some effort being put in the optimized for Series X versions of titles. And playing some older favorites at the top of their performance levels should be a fresh experience.

 

[Bernkastel]

Halo Infinite, Hellblade II and Project Mara are the best looking next gen games already.

 

[martino]

Halo Infinite, Hellblade II and Project Mara are the best looking next gen games already.

let's wait to see at least "trailer gameplay" if not real gameplay first

 

[abacab driver]

Hellblade on X1X

TLOU2 on PS4 Pro

I think you didn't play enough games for such statement.

It seems you have a reading problem because my statement was that it looks better than ALMOST anything this gen.

The fact that you felt compelled to compare screenshots (lol) of the graphical crown jewel of the ps4 that was in development for 7 years (by Sony's best studio) to a game made by 15-20 people in 3 years actually says a lot more about the talent of Ninja Theory.

But even in that comparison (in action, not screenshots), there's so much more variety in the visuals in Hellblade (particularly in the environments and effects) it's not even funny.
And at 60 fps without any 'filmgrain' (that nobody asks for), the visuals pop and the overall image quality honestly makes TLOU2's image quality look muddy in comparison.

This doesnt mean it has better graphics overall, but Hellblade is a visual achievement in its own right.

But more importantly..look at how Hellblades story was received as opposed to TLOU2's story.
What's more important to you?

But anyway..I can't wait to compare the new Senuas Saga footage to the Horizon 2 footage.

 

[Dontero]

Lockhart info is true then 100% they won't beat PS5 exclusives.
But i have worse news. Due to Lockhart PS5 games aside from exclusives will look way worse.

Thanks MS for fucking up next gen.

 

[GymWolf]

Onestly? Just show 10 min gameplay for halo, fable and another big game like hellbalde 2 and you already won the "event war" against sony.

 

[Dolomite]

Hellblade on X1X

TLOU2 on PS4 Pro

I think you didn't play enough games for such statement.

Ellie's face model looked as good as senua's. I'd argue higher poly count but senua's texture takes the cake.

The second shot...I don't see how that helps your argument. HB's foliage is much more detailed, lush, and the lighting is A1. It looks like HDR. There are way better pics from TLOU2 that would trash HB2's

 

[CrysisFreak]

Hellblade is the best looking next gen game we’ve seen thus far.

Dude the only thing we saw of it was a 24fps "in-engine" cinematic miss me with that shit lmao.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

It seems you have a reading problem because my statement was that it looks better than ALMOST anything this gen.

The fact that you felt compelled to compare screenshots (lol) of the graphical crown jewel of the ps4 that was in development for 7 years (by Sony's best studio) to a game made by 15-20 people in 3 years actually says a lot more about the talent of Ninja Theory.

But even in that comparison (in action, not screenshots), there's so much more variety in the visuals in Hellblade (particularly in the environments and effects) it's not even funny.
And at 60 fps without any 'filmgrain' (that nobody asks for), the visuals pop and the overall image quality honestly makes TLOU2's image quality look muddy in comparison.

This doesnt mean it has better graphics overall, but Hellblade is a visual achievement in its own right.

But more importantly..look at how Hellblades story was received as opposed to TLOU2's story.
What's more important to you?

But anyway..I can't wait to compare the new Senuas Saga footage to the Horizon 2 footage.

Here:

Hellblade 2 CGI, in-engine, prerendered trailer made on anonymous hardware:

Horizon Forbidden West running in real-time on PS5

 

[The Hamburglar]

Hellblade is the best looking next gen game we’ve seen thus far.

How many times are people going to perpetuate this bullshit.

In engine means nothing for a cgi trailer. They showed nothing of actual game play so nobody knows how it will look.

 

[Bankai]

Hellblade is the best looking next gen game we’ve seen thus far.

It looked good, but it wasn't gameplay at all. Looked like an in-engine cinematic trailer. I'm sure the actual game will look great, but it's really too early to tell from what we've seen.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

How many times are people going to perpetuate this bullshit.

In engine means nothing for a cgi trailer. They showed nothing of actual game play so nobody knows how it will look.

Could the same not be said then of Horizon? Because that was all in-engine, and none of it was actual gameplay. But we all know how amazing that looks, right?

 

[turtlepowa]

I like how Sony fans keep posting PS pictures in a Xbox thread. Don't worry guys, no matter what Microsoft is going to show or do, i'm 100% sure you will be completely disappointed by it.

 

[Sony]

Hellblade is the best looking next gen game we’ve seen thus far.

Hellblade II trailer was rendered in-engine. Meaning it is rendered in Unreal Engine 4. If you're expecting that to be gameplay, you're in for a rude awakening.

 

[TBiddy]

I like how Sony fans keep posting PS pictures in a Xbox thread. Don't worry guys, no matter what Microsoft is going to show or do, i'm 100% sure you will be completely disappointed by it.

It's fucking annoying. Yes, we get that the in-engine shots of Spiderman and Horizon were impressive. No, your games won't look like that.