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No. The 48xx will go End-of-Line shortly and its up to the retailers to offer price-cuts, rebates and clear our the remaining inventory in the channel.Ferrio said:
If you are talking about cards like 285, 295 .. well Nvidia will probably cut their price as soon as these hit the market. But you'll have an older gen card with lesser performance and higher power consumption.
Nvidia is preparing for FULL blow out campaign of FUD where they will claim
- PhysX is the holy grail of gaming (lots of Nv shills already out in forums full force pushing this bullet point)
- DX11 is not important, relevant just like DX10.1 was .. oh wait Nvidia's latest gpus are DX10.1 compliant. Best example of self ownage.
- GPGPU is important .. oh wait DX11 just takes all that MILLION times better, easier. Self ownage again.
- Improved performance is not welcome here, ATI please take back .. now! :lol :lol :lol
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irfan said:
I'll contest this point. GPU processing is an industry wide goal, no one will care if DX11 makes it easier because it's limited to Windows only (same logic applies to CUDA and Stream, those are limited to only one GPU manufacturer). OpenCL looks to be the right way to go in this area.
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All that matters ultimately is fps per $. Whoever's got the best ratio in the class people are shopping in wins. ATI will be that winner for a while now it seems.
I was really sure I'd be getting a 275, but now I'll probably get a 58XX series card. The low idle wattage is really nice imo, and well, it's hard to beat the performance advantage as well.
As soon as real benchmarks are out, my mind will be made, sucks I'll be missing out on 3DVision & Physx, but I'd rather have a faster card than some features, as nVidia's cards are still overpriced imo as it is.
I was really sure I'd be getting a 275, but now I'll probably get a 58XX series card. The low idle wattage is really nice imo, and well, it's hard to beat the performance advantage as well.
As soon as real benchmarks are out, my mind will be made, sucks I'll be missing out on 3DVision & Physx, but I'd rather have a faster card than some features, as nVidia's cards are still overpriced imo as it is.
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So how strong is the case for using GPUs for (game) physics over using extra CPU cores?
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_leech_ said:
Yeah I think OpenCL will work on older cards to some extent but that aside the RV870 is the clear leader in single and double precision performance so Idont see how Nvidia thinks GPGPU is an advantage for them.
lowlylowlycook said:
HD4870 is 2.72 TFlops while Intel Core I7 is something like 75 GFlops using all four cores (don't quote me on this its hard to find numbers). GPU's will always be able to achieve far better effects because of this performance advantage but unless the game is heavily texture limited using GPU's for physics will eat performance. It could be argued that this is the same as enabling any other feature such as AA that is a trade off of performance vs quality.
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TOAO_Cyrus said:
I was more arguing the poster's point about DX11 being better than other GPGPU libraries available, not the power of ATI/Nvidia cards.
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_leech_ said:
I know I was agreeing and adding my own point on the subject
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irfan said:
Wow, Nvidia can go to hell with their proprietary software and 3D glasses. Why has this company been so vehemently against new DirectX versions? I know their engineers are not lazy, but it seems like they have grown very complacent as a company in the way they resist any change that they are not ushering in themselves. Didn't they oppose DirectX 10 (and 10.1 in particular) whereas ATI were first to include the technologies in their hardware?
I'm not going to deny that Nvidia tends to put out more powerful hardware with generally better drivers, but it seems like every couple of years they always pull some bullshit that only pisses off their customers. I really hope they get trounced for a generation or two so they can rethink how they do business.
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TOAO_Cyrus said:
So two questions: How many flops can your realistically get as opposed to theoretical? That is, doesn't adding one if statement in your code basically destroy the parallel execution on the GPU? And how many flops do game developers need/want?
Oh snaps. So here is where the real fanman wars are going down. Although it doesn't seem like a fair fight from what I'm reading. Nvidia is actually giving away the crown?
If this makes games being better optimized for ATI cards (other than Steam Engine) then I fully welcome this shit!
It should at least make the FPS between competetive cards closer to eachother than ever.
If this makes games being better optimized for ATI cards (other than Steam Engine) then I fully welcome this shit!
It should at least make the FPS between competetive cards closer to eachother than ever.I think either you missed the point or I didnt state it clearly enough. DX11 (Compute Shader) will make GPGPU more mainstream than CUDA or Stream will ever will._leech_ said:
It is because they have botched up executing on their designs which resulted in delays and hence they had to COCKBLOCK the progress or adoption of new technologies, in this case DX revisions.Zefah said:
As awesome as the G80 was, it suffered from delays (6 months). However this didnt effect Nvidia a great deal because ATI fucked up even more royally on the R600 in that cycle. I think the last high-end GPU from Nvidia that wasnt delayed was the G70.
irfan said:
I would argue DX11 Compute Shader will do so more than even OpenCL.
If Windows 7 is as widely adopted as people are thinking it is going to be, DX11 Compute Shader is going to push more GPGPU into consumer's hands than any other API, by a very wide margin.
After all, Vista's total user base is already around 380 million [1], and some people consider that a failed Windows release...
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista#Reception
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Zefah said:
It's simple. They are really struggling to get silicon manufactured that a) works, and b) has sufficient yields to ramp to market and they know that ATI have got quite the jump on them this time.
If nVidia's game plan and silicon had gone to plan, then they would have launched with a dx11 card at the same time and lauded the benefits of dx11 to everyone.
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FAN SPEED ONLY 35% at full load? Holy shit, that is some silent card. Arghh... I need some news on Nvidia, I don't want to make an uninformed decision.irfan said:95% Load | 74C | 850MHz Core | 1200MHz GDDR5
God dammit... the 5870x2 won't fit in my case.
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cyberheater said:
DUN DUN DUN. Paper launch or not, overpriced or not, I am buying two of the fastest single card available. If Nvidia has the fastest single card, then that is what I am getting.
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Launching in late November? Paper launch, maybe. Last I heard they wouldn't be actually releasing until Q1 2010. Plus, if rumors are to believed, they are just now getting back engineering samples (with exceptionally poor yields). The HD 4870 could be on the market for well over four months before nVidia launches a comparable product. Which would give AMD plenty of time to launch a higher clocked/more powerful GPU.cyberheater said:
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godhandiscen said:
Yeah, but how long will you have to wait? I would be surprised if Nvidia releases a card that is slower than ATI's 5000 series, but how long is it going to take them to bring it out and how much will it cost? I'm definitely interested in what Nvidia has in store, but if they really did have something good in the works wouldn't they announce it before ATI's launch to keep people from buying Radeon? They don't have much time left...
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godhandiscen said:
Yeah. I kinda feel the same way. I want my next upgrade to last me a good couple of years and if the article is correct then the GT300 is a beast. Plus the added benefits of Physx and stereo 3D viewing which is a must for me for my next card so really, I think I'm going to hold off until it's released which might be quite a while.
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Those ATI cards sound really good. I'm waiting for Nvidia and then I'm thinking about buying one.
I have a Crossfire enabled board but it's only PCIe1.x. Am I able to use Crossfire that way?
I have a Crossfire enabled board but it's only PCIe1.x. Am I able to use Crossfire that way?
godhandiscen
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Well, that article has them releasing in late November, and I have not need to hurry. I currently have a GTX295+ OC'd in my personal rig and a 4870x2 in my baby brother's rig (I wish I had a brother like me when I was 9 yrs old). So we are really set at home. I know I act very anxious, posting in this thread so often, but honestly I could even wait until the 5890 hits. There is no current game that is struggling in my rig, since whenever I feel like playing Crysis at 60fps. I turn on the AC, put on a jacket, and OCmy GTX295 past 285 levels. I know, it sounds ridiculous, but it adds to the realism of the snow levels.Zefah said:
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godhandiscen said:
That's fine, you really have no reason to hurry with a GTX295. I have no idea how credible Fudzilla is, but that post said that "a few people" are "confident" that the GT300 will win and that the launch is still slated for November but hasn't been confirmed. Unless Fudzilla has a history of being a trustworthy source of insider information I'm not really sure what value that post has. Who knows what "win" means to these "few people" anyway.
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Zefah said:
Well I don't know how reliable Fudzilla are but the article states:-
'few people who saw just leaked performance data on ATI's soon to launch Radeon HD 5870 have told Fudzilla that they are absolutely confident that GT300 will win over Radeon HD 5870'
It's pretty clear that 'win' means winning in terms of performance relative to the HD5870.
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Exactly how big is this thing?godhandiscen said:God dammit... the 5870x2 won't fit in my case.
Also, will it fit inside an Antec P182?
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It is 12 inches. My Lian Li x-500 can only fit 11 inches. For reference a GTX295 is 10.3 inches.U K Narayan said:
I just saw the Antec p182. The 5870x2 won't fit in there either.
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If it is anything like the 193 then yeah it can fit in there.Zaptruder said:
Sleeker said:
Y'know, for all their problems with drivers back in the day, I went PowerVR (ha, ha, shut up) > Riva TNT2 > RADEON and never looked back. I always felt I was on the shitty side of the curve, but with the 4870 and now this, I do absolutely feel ATi kinda has their shit together. And to think some were decrying the AMD purchase as stupid a while back.
I honestly don't care who has the better card; competition will hopefully keep them down enough (barring price gouging) that I can continue to upgrade my zippy little Shuttle (which has Crossfire/SLI support, AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA nothing fucking fits in a mini-ATX case) with something that can run things for a few years instead of getting so outpaced I fall out of touch with PC gaming again.
Still, new tech like this is so fun to geek out on.
Unnamed sources close to Nvidia (or ATI) are always going to claim their card is going to beat the competition before any specs are released.
That fudzilla article is the same as no article at all, it doesn't tell us anything other than Nvidia employees are confident in Nvidia. Until Nvidia tells us something officially that has some specs in it, I am going to assume that they are fucked.
That fudzilla article is the same as no article at all, it doesn't tell us anything other than Nvidia employees are confident in Nvidia. Until Nvidia tells us something officially that has some specs in it, I am going to assume that they are fucked.
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godhandiscen said:FAN SPEED ONLY 35% at full load? Holy shit, that is some silent card. Arghh... I need some news on Nvidia, I don't want to make an uninformed decision.
God dammit... the 5870x2 won't fit in my case.
30% actually ^^ Hard to say though if this really is the maximum the card will have in the real world. The load might have been only for seconds or a minute or whatever + the card could still be heating up.
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Really? Because I have a GTX 275 in this thing and I have around 3 inches to spare.godhandiscen said:It is 12 inches. My Lian Li x-500 can only fit 11 inches. For reference a GTX295 is 10.3 inches.
I just saw the Antec p182. The 5870x2 won't fit in there either.
GT300 will almost certainly be faster than 5870, there's nothing surprising about that. It's expected to be much larger! If it can't be faster with a significantly bigger die then NV's situation would slip from "bad" to "horrible".
Anyway, I hope ATI also implement some 3D support soon. I really want to try that in the not-too-distant future.
Anyway, I hope ATI also implement some 3D support soon. I really want to try that in the not-too-distant future.
Fudo = Nvidia PR.cyberheater said:
Lets see some benchmarks before we start believing PR, after all these are the same guys who said gaming performance doesnt really matter as much as GPGPU & PhysX. :lol :lol
Yes, Nvidia is bringing paper to the battle!FuKuy said:
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Fudo is so bad with his stories, first he goes 5870 1.6x 4870, then 1.6x 4890 .. :lol He takes so many stabs that one of them will most probably be right.
Rad Agast said:
I don't know about a full AMD setup. Looking at AMD's future offerings they aren't going to have anything to compete with the iX series till 2011. Please correct me if I am wrong. I agree that they look to be getting a significant advantage in GPUs though. I just bought a 4890 myself.
Edit. I posted this in another thread but it is relevant to discussions of a full AMD setup.
dionysus said:
Well, price does play a big part in my decision. I'll wait a bit and see how much the i5 will be going for over here and if it's more expensive than the Phenom IIs. I haven't checked lately but I don't think the real world difference in performance will be that big.
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So... yeah. These new cards will definitely fit in my case. Sweetness.
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I don't want to do anything until Nvidia shows their hand, but the 5850, at under $200, seems really enticing to me.
But I'd hate to give up PhysX, something I DO use, for EyeFinity, something I will NEVER use... So I will most likely play the waiting game to see if there's anything to the GT300 rumors. Nvidia needs to get off their asses and produce the evidence.
But I'd hate to give up PhysX, something I DO use, for EyeFinity, something I will NEVER use... So I will most likely play the waiting game to see if there's anything to the GT300 rumors. Nvidia needs to get off their asses and produce the evidence.