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Yeah, I don't understand the Audi hate, it's like some people have some twisted pre-conceived notion that only certain companies can make supercars and no one else should even bother trying.

It's the same thing as Top Gear and their messed up hate(or maybe just dislike?) for the LFA just because it's a Lexus.
 
MassiveAttack said:
You mean that company that built the Bugatti Veyron? Riiiiight.

Huh?

You think anybody would buy an Audi Veyron? :lol :lol

Using technology has nothing to do with flair or anything..

Slap the Audi rings on an Veyron and see how much it sells then..
 
Heard somewhere that this car isn't faster than the V10 R8. Guess Audi wants to cash in on those extremely rich people.
 
Jay Sosa said:
Maybe you have to be German/Austrian to understand this but this company has as much appeal and flair as VW..

As a german i think you are talking out of your ass. Audi has a history of making fast and awesome cars that goes way back to pre-war times. Certainly they only had the reputation of a better VW brand for a long time but during the last 10-15 years they have stepped up their game considerably and nowadays they are easily more appealing then BMW's for example to a lot of people.
 
Were talkin supercars here, not Audi or BMW...

Think more like Porsche, Ferrari and Lamborghini. Oh and Audi of course :lol
 
The V8 R8 looks better.

The rear spoiler looks crappy. Either remove it or add a bigger one.

Now this my friends, is fucking sexy:

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Jay Sosa said:
Were talkin supercars here, not Audi or BMW...

Think more like Porsche, Ferrari and Lamborghini. Oh and Audi of course :lol

They are constantly up there at Le Mans 24h. Is it so wrong from them to translate their race success into a road car? You were comparing them with VW and thats just bullshit. Also the Gumpert Apollo, one of the fastest supercars in the world is essentialy an Audi.
 
Jay Sosa said:
Were talkin supercars here, not Audi or BMW...

Think more like Porsche, Ferrari and Lamborghini. Oh and Audi of course :lol

So a supercar is only based on the brand and not performance+price+exclusivity?

If you slapped an Audi logo on a Veyron it would probably sell just as much considering that the R8 isn't exactly a failure. It seems that to people who can actually afford it, the fact that it's an Audi and not a Lambo or a Ferrari doesn't really matter much, which makes your whole notion pretty misguided.
 
GSG Flash said:
So a supercar is only based on the brand and not performance+price+exclusivity?

If you slapped an Audi logo on a Veyron it would probably sell just as much considering that the R8 isn't exactly a failure. It seems that to people who can actually afford it, the fact that it's an Audi and not a Lambo or a Ferrari doesn't really matter much, which makes your whole notion pretty misguided.
Exactly. Based on brand name, the Nissan GT-R is a crap car.

Audi R8 is a personal dream car of mine. I would LOVE to have one.

Is tha R8 GT automatic?
 
Jay Sosa said:
Huh?

You think anybody would buy an Audi Veyron? :lol :lol

Using technology has nothing to do with flair or anything..

Slap the Audi rings on an Veyron and see how much it sells then..
You missed the point of my post. Volkswagen AG owns Audi, Lamborghini, Bentley, Bugatti and now Porsche amongst several other major marques. So saying something looks like a VW is rather meaningless in the current context.
 
Steppenwolf said:
They are constantly up there at Le Mans 24h. Is it so wrong from them to translate their race success into a road car? You were comparing them with VW and thats just bullshit. Also the Gumpert Apollo, one of the fastest supercars in the world is essentialy an Audi.

I didn't say the tech is bad or anything and of course they can do whatever they want, hell Dacia can build a car like that for all I care..

But to me the name doesn't have and probably will never have the same ring to it like the aforementioned companies..

So a supercar is only based on the brand and not performance+price+exclusivity?

If you slapped an Audi logo on a Veyron it would probably sell just as much considering that the R8 isn't exactly a failure. It seems that to people who can actually afford it, the fact that it's an Audi and not a Lambo or a Ferrari doesn't really matter much, which makes your whole notion pretty misguided.

Why do you think Toyota and Nissan do that then?
 
Pterion said:
Heard somewhere that this car isn't faster than the V10 R8. Guess Audi wants to cash in on those extremely rich people.

Based on official specs, the GT is .3 seconds faster to 60 than the V10 (3.6 vs. 3.9). The car is over 200lbs lighter so this would make sense. We'll have to see how the first reviews play out though. Roll on Top Gear...
 
Sports cars quickly lose their appeal to me when they make a 'chavvy' version, it cheapens it.

Like adding extra vents to a MacBook Pro
 
The R8 is a fantastic first attempt of a supercar/halo vehicle from Audi, it strikes the perfect balance of exclusivity and affordability.

LFA is a terrible, terrible attempt from Lexus.
 
aznpxdd said:
The R8 is a fantastic first attempt of a supercar/halo vehicle from Audi, it strikes the perfect balance of exclusivity and affordability.

LFA is a terrible, terrible attempt from Lexus.

Just wondering, but what's so terrible about the LFA? The only problem, that I can see, with it is the price and that really shouldn't be much of an issue for anyone in the market for that kind of a car in the first place.
 
aznpxdd said:
There's a market for a $350,000 Lexus?

Again, that's the same argument that Jay Sosa is using. You can't look at these cars as just another car in their respective brand's portfolio, you have to look at them as you would a Ferrari or Lambo (ie. you have to look at it as a supercar, not a Lexus) and as a supercar the LFA is a fine car.
 
Really, you car guys would refuse to buy a car simply based on the brand name? What a bunch of dicks. How about you actually look at the car instead of the name put on it. I cannot comprehend not even considering something because of the name.
 
-viper- said:
Exactly. Based on brand name, the Nissan GT-R is a crap car.

Audi R8 is a personal dream car of mine. I would LOVE to have one.

Is tha R8 GT automatic?
As TopGear taught us, the Nissan GT-R isn't even a car. It's a yardstick.

The R8 is a very cool beast. It's not as cool as it used to be but it's still a few leagues above anything in its price point. Also, a Lexus can't cost 350K$. When you make a supercar, the brand of that car is still a big part (even bigger than regular cars) and a Lexus isn't something people would want to put so much money on. A supercar is 50% image, 50% emotions. Lexus isn't exactly an exotic image, and they should have realized that before making the car (or branding it as a Lexus). Just say it - "I own a Lexus". Now say "I own an Aston Martin". Hear the difference? That difference is why a Lexus can't be so expensive.
 
Wormdundee said:
Really, you car guys would refuse to buy a car simply based on the brand name? What a bunch of dicks. How about you actually look at the car instead of the name put on it. I cannot comprehend not even considering something because of the name.

The name Volkswagen somehow has a negative connotation in the United States - I've heard many people dismiss Audi as a "glorified VW". This is bizarre on a number of fronts. It's ridiculously outdated and completely divorced from the reality of what VW is.
 
flsh said:
As TopGear taught us, the Nissan GT-R isn't even a car. It's a yardstick.

The R8 is a very cool beast. It's not as cool as it used to be but it's still a few leagues above anything in its price point. Also, a Lexus can't cost 350K$. When you make a supercar, the brand of that car is still a big part (even bigger than regular cars) and a Lexus isn't something people would want to put so much money on. A supercar is 50% image, 50% emotions. Lexus isn't exactly an exotic image, and they should have realized that before making the car (or branding it as a Lexus). Just say it - "I own a Lexus". Now say "I own an Aston Martin". Hear the difference? That difference is why a Lexus can't be so expensive.

No offense, but that's a really stupid, ignorant and hypocritical line of thinking, so you would like the LFA if it had a Lamborghini badge slapped on it instead of Lexus despite it being the same car?

If the automotive world revolved around that line of thinking, then only a handful of carmakers would be allowed to make high performance supercars.

And by the way, Aston is going to release this car:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aston_Martin_Cygnet

Which is essentially a Toyota iQ, is Aston Martin now suddenly going to become an average brand? Or is the Cygnet going to be accepted as a supercar just because it has the Aston Martin name slapped on it?

For the record, if I had the money I would totally be in the market for a $350k Lexus if that Lexus is the LFA.
 
GSG Flash said:
No offense, but that's a really stupid, ignorant and hypocritical line of thinking, so you would like the LFA if it had a Lamborghini badge slapped on it instead of Lexus despite it being the same car?

If the automotive world revolved around that line of thinking, then only a handful of carmakers would be allowed to make high performance supercars.

And by the way, Aston is going to release this car:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aston_Martin_Cygnet

Which is essentially a Toyota iQ, is Aston Martin now suddenly going to become an average brand? Or is the Cygnet going to be accepted as a supercar just because it has the Aston Martin name slapped on it?

For the record, if I had the money I would totally be in the market for a $350k Lexus if that Lexus is the LFA.

Well...
 
You would. The vast majority of people who would buy supercars do care what brand they drive. People start caring about the brand at far, far lower cost levels, so do you really think they won't mind buying a far less exclusive brand for the same price? Nearly all people who buy supercars can't drive them (either because of road conditions or driving ability) to their limit, and so the image of the car is what becomes more important. All those cars are far better than what people, as drivers, can handle. If you are going to call this view ignorant and propose a Utopian approach to a business that is supposed to make money or create an image, you are going to call a lot of people ignorant.
And that Aston Martin makes no difference at all to the brand. If all of the Aston Martins were like that car, and they would only release one supercar than yes, it would be far less appealing to put 350K$ on one. While it's undoubtedly true that Lexus cars aren't enlarged toy cars, they are still not exactly exotic and have a rather stale image. If Lexus had made an RS/M/AMG like badge, it would help. If they make another exotic brand, it would help. Having a high end Toyota is still aurally and emotionally unappealing though, and you can't disregard that.
 
Brand is important but in the end a supercar is a supercar, and no matter how much you hate Lexus or think that the brand is stale or boring, the LFA is still a supercar, and, as evidenced by all 500 of the initial run of the car being sold out, obviously there is a market for that car.

Honestly, it's like you guys hear something on Top Gear and take it as a hard and fast rule. "Top Gear says a Lexus supercar is boring because it's a Lexus so it MUST be boring, no ifs and buts"
 
MCX said:
It's still an Audi.

The 2010 911 Turbo > R8 GT.

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Porsches are utterly devoid of imagination or charisma. They are excellent and hopelessly bereft of individuality.
 
Jay Sosa said:
Seriously..

The only awesome Audi ever made was this one:

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Maybe you have to be German/Austrian to understand this but this company has as much appeal and flair as VW..





Actually this was...
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So cars like these that have a limited run, who are the buyers usually?

Business magnates, actors and sheikhs?
 
MassiveAttack said:
You missed the point of my post. Volkswagen AG owns Audi, Lamborghini, Bentley, Bugatti and now Porsche amongst several other major marques. So saying something looks like a VW is rather meaningless in the current context.

You got your facts mixed up buddy. VW and Porsche merged with Porsche having the majority share of VW and there are still almost daily attempts of them trying to get 50% buy out of VW...

MassiveAttack said:
The name Volkswagen somehow has a negative connotation in the United States - I've heard many people dismiss Audi as a "glorified VW". This is bizarre on a number of fronts. It's ridiculously outdated and completely divorced from the reality of what VW is.
What do you mean by ridiculously outdated? And what exactly is the reality of VW?
 
If I'm gonna be spending crazy money, I'll take this please. It will also retain its value come time to sell far higher than an Audi or Porsche.

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DarkJediKnight said:
If I'm gonna be spending crazy money, I'll take this please. It will also retain its value come time to sell far higher than an Audi or Porsche.

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I would put a baby in that car. And I don't mean in a childseat.
 
flsh said:
As TopGear taught us, the Nissan GT-R isn't even a car. It's a yardstick.

The R8 is a very cool beast. It's not as cool as it used to be but it's still a few leagues above anything in its price point. Also, a Lexus can't cost 350K$. When you make a supercar, the brand of that car is still a big part (even bigger than regular cars) and a Lexus isn't something people would want to put so much money on. A supercar is 50% image, 50% emotions. Lexus isn't exactly an exotic image, and they should have realized that before making the car (or branding it as a Lexus). Just say it - "I own a Lexus". Now say "I own an Aston Martin". Hear the difference? That difference is why a Lexus can't be so expensive.
yeah. no.

The Lexus IS an engineering masterpiece. It has supercar pedigree.

I agree the price is ridiculous, but it is a supercar, no matter what you think.
 
-viper- said:
yeah. no.

The Lexus IS an engineering masterpiece. It has supercar pedigree.

I agree the price is ridiculous, but it is a supercar, no matter what you think.
Did you read anywhere in my post where I said the Lexus doesn't have supercar performance? Oh you didn't? Thought so (That's because we all agree that it has). And no, it has no supercar pedigree. This might start a pedigree, but as of yet it has none. A bit hard to have a pedigree with nothing in the stable but one car :lol
It's a (very) good car, but it costs too much and you can't even buy it in the US (Only lease it. Unless they changed it since last I read about it). I still think that outside of Japan, it wont be as big as a Lambo despite having a similar price range. It might change people's minds about Lexus, but that will be a battle not won yet.
 
FlawlessCowboy said:
So awesome!

Too bad I'll never be able to afford one. :(
That's why I don't have the slightest interest in German cars. They are insanely expensive. The only German car I would like to own is any CLK class Mercedes. And even if I had the money, I would spend it on something else/another car. Dude, life has more important things than spending one and half decade worth of hard work on a car.

Anyway, I don't like the looks of the R8. I would take the A5 over the R8 any day.
 
flsh said:
Did you read anywhere in my post where I said the Lexus doesn't have supercar performance? Oh you didn't? Thought so (That's because we all agree that it has). And no, it has no supercar pedigree. This might start a pedigree, but as of yet it has none. A bit hard to have a pedigree with nothing in the stable but one car :lol
It's a (very) good car, but it costs too much and you can't even buy it in the US (Only lease it. Unless they changed it since last I read about it). I still think that outside of Japan, it wont be as big as a Lambo despite having a similar price range. It might change people's minds about Lexus, but that will be a battle not won yet.

And why exactly does it cost too much? Are you even aware of the fact that it beats... any other super car in the world on the track (any Lambo/Ferrari/Mercedes/BMW, ANYTHING). Also, it's limited to 500 units, so it's exclusive. There is no car close to it's engineering level in the world. Why exactly do you think it's expensive? Not to mention it's going to be light years ahead in terms of reliability of any car with Italian (and certainly German as well) origin meaning that you will ACTUALLY be able to drive it every day without fear of it dying.
 
I'm kinda with the "it's still an Audi"-crowd.
It's an absolutely fantastic car, but it doesn't appeal to me as much as some other cars because of the history of Audi compared to some other manufacturers.
It boggles my mind how you can diss the Porsche 911 though, timeless design, a fantastic brand, and the car is great. What's next, dissing the Gullwing?

Taste matters
:lol
 
Those are some of the nicest wheels I've ever seen on a production car.

And possibly THE coolest looking interior ever. I'm not a huge fan of unpainted carbon in the interior, but its done very tastefully here.
 
Lagspike_exe said:
And why exactly does it cost too much? Are you even aware of the fact that it beats... any other super car in the world on the track (any Lambo/Ferrari/Mercedes/BMW, ANYTHING). Also, it's limited to 500 units, so it's exclusive. There is no car close to it's engineering level in the world. Why exactly do you think it's expensive? Not to mention it's going to be light years ahead in terms of reliability of any car with Italian (and certainly German as well) origin meaning that you will ACTUALLY be able to drive it every day without fear of it dying.

First of all, being Japanese doesn't make a car more reliable. Being built to be reliable makes a car reliable. If this Lexus was built for track, and nothing but track, than it wont be reliable. At this point, none of us can really compare reliability. Seeing as the technology in supercars is at the extreme front, reliability will probably still not be very good. It would certainly be nice if Lexus made it reliable. Right now, every supercar is extremely expensive to maintain and very unreliable, though.
About exclusivity - I mean, for the billionth time by now, brand name, not amount sold. It's about how many Aston Martins were sold VS Lexus. Do you really want to compare BRAND exclusivity between those 2?
On to performance; Who gives a shit how fast a car goes around the ring in the hands of a professional driver who practiced the lap extensively to get that time? You don't buy these cars for their performance, you buy them because they are a dream. Is your dream a Lexus? If I had hundreds of millions of dollars, I would buy one to add to my Ferrari collection. If I didn't though, and only bought few supercars, I would prefer a Ferrari or a Lamborghini simply because of the looks (completely subjective) and brands. The reason? Even an M3 is probably quite above my potential as a driver. Bringing lap times to a discussion about the appeal of these cars is like bringing in CO omissions or MPG. It's completely irrelevant for SUPERcars - I think you mean race cars when you seriously discuss lap times.
To conclude, the car in itself might be grand. It probably is. All of that doesn't matter though because when you go to the dealership to buy\lease this car, you will think about putting that much money on a LEXUS, while you could get a Ferrari for cheaper which has more pedigree or an Aston Martin which is simply on a level of its own in terms of looks. Had this been put on a different brand, or badged accordingly (though currently no badge series, so that doesn't matter) it would be a lot more exclusive. Putting a 350K$ price on a soccer mom car is too expensive. That's all I have to say. You can keep mentioning lap times, which are spectacular, but that doesn't matter. If you buy those cars for performance than your last name is probably Hamilton or Schumacher. Most people who buy these buy them for image. Maybe Japanese buyers think Lexus is a prestigious brand, but it's not perceived as such everywhere. If I had the money, I wouldn't buy it unless I really had nothing to do with the money. And all I would do with it is put it in my garage and look at it because I couldn't drive it the way it could be properly driven, and would probably have a chauffeur because I couldn't be arsed to drive in traffic.

You think different because you love driving cars? Funny, you are in the minority. Most people don't love driving, yet the richer someone is, the more expensive their car is. Supercars are not bought to be driven, they are bought to fill an empty void in your heart. The amazing performance is just something for car buffs to drool about.
I have nothing to clarify after this post. If you disagree, than we will have to agree to disagree.

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Mad Max said:
So how does it drive?
By breaking down the moment you press the ignite button.
 
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