twilo99
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Sure, share the settings, no need for a whole video, is there?
Exactly, so why even bother? That's my point.
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Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora PC vs PS5 Graphics, Optimised Settings, FSR 3 Breakdown
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Sure, share the settings, no need for a whole video, is there?
Exactly, so why even bother? That's my point.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Oh, just another troll. Carry on then.
Senua
Member
So they should make a 2 second video showing the settings in the menu and it just ends? All because these videos triggers insecure man children like yourself? Nah. They'll continue to make them and be viewed by thousands while you moan on neogaf about them. It's really worth ya energy.
Senua
Member
Yes because everyone has 5k PC such as yourself, your holiness
twilo99
Member
My series s was $180 so... I'm actually more of a peasant in the PC world
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
What's funny is, there posts recently where people were saying why do they show series x and not playstation 5, when it's the more popular console.
I can't remember the threads. Maybe someone else can and can link.
Seems whatever they do, it's wrong to someone.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Usually, performance mode is the weakest mode with regards to features,the fact that the comparison is to an unofficial ultra setting is beyond ridiculous.
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Denton
Member
If you do not care for it, why watch it, and why shit up the thread? I mean to anyone with functional braincell it should not be surprising that some people who are interested in games and their tech like seeing these breakdowns, seeing exactly what settings console is running, what each and every setting does, how midrange PCs run it, how it differs from highend hardware, etc.
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S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Not seeing the 2700 Super...
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
4060 is in the same performance bracket for $300. Although, this is still pathetic. The 2070S is 5 years old and its performance should be obtainable for $200 at most. More like $150-180 even.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Wtf he spends half of this vid talking about pc and his amazing unobtanium settings again? in console comparison video....
That said - ps5 performance mode looks fucking identical to retardanium pc settings on a 4090.
Like. .. it's the same picutre.
OH YEAH THERE IS 1 STEP MORE IN SHADOWS ON PS5 OH GOD
yeah fsr sucks ass. Obviously as always. DLSS is better. but it still looks essentially the same on ps5.
Pc version is a bit sharper and then a bit more in motion. Of course... at least compared to ps5 perf mode. Quality mode is better obviously.
This speaks to more parity since ubisoft focused on console versions. Stark comparison to terrible aw2 consoles version with grainy ssr and no good fallback from pc ultra settings
Another zooming 800% video and praising pc for nothing.
edit: Like.. he makes it sound with "wow such unobtaanium 4090" settings that you would actually see some difference... some real difference clear as day...
That said - ps5 performance mode looks fucking identical to retardanium pc settings on a 4090.
Like. .. it's the same picutre.
OH YEAH THERE IS 1 STEP MORE IN SHADOWS ON PS5 OH GOD
yeah fsr sucks ass. Obviously as always. DLSS is better. but it still looks essentially the same on ps5.
Pc version is a bit sharper and then a bit more in motion. Of course... at least compared to ps5 perf mode. Quality mode is better obviously.
This speaks to more parity since ubisoft focused on console versions. Stark comparison to terrible aw2 consoles version with grainy ssr and no good fallback from pc ultra settings
Another zooming 800% video and praising pc for nothing.
edit: Like.. he makes it sound with "wow such unobtaanium 4090" settings that you would actually see some difference... some real difference clear as day...
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
He spends 2 minutes and 44 seconds talking about Unobtanium settings.
It doesn't. Stop fucking lying. This shot has a pronounced different in the reflection quality when it actually moves, not when you capture a still that doesn't show the reflections rippling. That said, Unobtanium is simply a setting that increases sample and resolution counts. It really fine tunes micro details and small elements. It doesn't look much better than the Ultra or even High preset.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
fine tuned micro details means there is no difference. not the one you would expect from Alex praising it.
It's just the same game on pc and ps5. Only sharper on pc especially in motion
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Fine tuned from Ultra, not Medium. Medium has many problems with the game in motion and reflections.
And not identical either.
Of course, it's the same game. What were you expecting? Unobtanium is a hidden preset. Nice to have for future GPUs, but doesn't do much beyond Ultra or even high.
Maybe the difference was caused by Nvidia wanting path tracing on their cards.Wtf he spends half of this vid talking about pc and his amazing unobtanium settings again? in console comparison video....
That said - ps5 performance mode looks fucking identical to retardanium pc settings on a 4090.
Like. .. it's the same picutre.
OH YEAH THERE IS 1 STEP MORE IN SHADOWS ON PS5 OH GOD
yeah fsr sucks ass. Obviously as always. DLSS is better. but it still looks essentially the same on ps5.
Pc version is a bit sharper and then a bit more in motion. Of course... at least compared to ps5 perf mode. Quality mode is better obviously.
This speaks to more parity since ubisoft focused on console versions. Stark comparison to terrible aw2 consoles version with grainy ssr and no good fallback from pc ultra settings
Another zooming 800% video and praising pc for nothing.
edit: Like.. he makes it sound with "wow such unobtaanium 4090" settings that you would actually see some difference... some real difference clear as day...
RoboFu
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I will never understand why they are all using FSR. bare ass TAA at lower res looks betterI know right... look how gross this is ...
SolidQ
Member
Because today games tends very little difference between medium/max. In real time it's even zero difference. Only on screenshot/comparision you can find small details, but difference not worth on 4090 4k@25-30fps
Denton
Member
The difference between optimized settings and ultra (let alone unobtainium) is pretty huge when actually playing. Specifically in LoDs and quality of shadows and reflections, plus stability of the image.
Unobtainium is ridiculously heavy though - I get 40fps, while on ultra I get 80. They did the right thing locking it behind runtime command.
Unobtainium is ridiculously heavy though - I get 40fps, while on ultra I get 80. They did the right thing locking it behind runtime command.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
There's a whole technical interview they did with the lead artists and graphics engineer. We actually have a thread that sadly didn't see much traction.
There's some cool stuff they did for console optimization.
https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfo...and-snowdrop-the-big-developer-tech-interview
Mesh shaders is one thing they did but they also used a different method for building the BVH on consoles.
They go more in-depth about the usage of mesh shaders as well. They don't mention the impact but the implication is that it is more performant than the traditional vertex path used on PC. This could explain in part why the 2070S doesn't have a significant advantage over the consoles despite this game using quite a bit of hardware-accelerated rt, but I would attribute this more to the fact that the consoles GPUs aren't even used to build the BVH, offloading precious rendering time from the GPU.
daninthemix
Member
Glad Alex is out there doing good work, always applying pressure to Sony fanboys. Otherwise they'd be free to run amok. Can't have that.
SKYF@ll
Member
The reason is that there are a large number of PS5 users.
（PS5:50M vs. XSX:10-12M)
The performance of XSX and PS5 is similar, so there should be no problem.
Physiognomonics
Member
Wait, mesh shaders implemented on PS5, again? I thought it was not possible according to them (and him specifically). Guess this is why he barely mentioned it. Imagine if a game shipped with mesh shaders on Xbox and not on PS5, they would have made dozen of articles about it. But hey we were wrong (Mesh shaders is not a true RDNA2 feature ™), better not talk about it...ever.
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Zathalus
Member
Yeah, the difference in quality is rather stark in some areas. I'd say PC nets you the following main graphical upgrades:
rofif You can't seriously tell me the reflections look identical. However, Unobtanium's reflections aren't much better than Ultra.
Yeah, but the shadows are kind of bad even at max settings.
This game could have made used of ray traced shadows.
1. Higher resolution, significantly so if you have the hardware for it.
2. DLSS is simply far better then FSR at almost every metric.
3. Much better volumetrics.
4. More detailed shadow quality.
5. Sharper reflections that are also nicer in motion.
You really need a 3090/4070 Ti/7900 XT or better to really take advantage of the last three though.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
It's funny how the Zen 2 has supposedly become a "mobile CPU", after being viewed as a very big upgrade over the Jaguar before these consoles launched. Which mobile devices have that CPU?
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twilo99
Member
The ones in the PS5 and the series s/x are practically the mobile/laptop versions of Zen2
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RoadHazard
Gold Member
What mobile phones or tablets have it?
Zathalus
Member
The Zen 2 in the consoles are the Zen 2 variants that have the cut down L3 cache system and lower clock speeds.
For example: https://www.amd.com/en/product/10196
Mobile is easier to say then 'smaller cache and lower clock speed' Zen 2. Doesn't really roll off the tongue. Reduced cache variants of Zen processors are generally found in lower powered devices and laptops as well. Steam Deck also uses it.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
But is the one in the Deck as powerful as the one in the PS5/XSX?
I just think it's silly to call it "mobile" when that's not really the case.
twilo99
Member
Right, I think their custom Ryzen 7 3700 with some tech from the Renoir line to lower the power draw.
twilo99
Member
You can call them whatever you like but performance wise they are what they are
Zathalus
Member
It's exactly the same CPU, just 4 core instead of 8. Asus ROG Ally actually has a more powerful CPU then either console and it is also the 'mobile' version of Zen 4.
I suppose you can use the words laptop or notebook instead. Consoles use the notebook version of Zen 2 works just as well.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Again, what mobile devices use the same CPU with the same power as the PS5?
I'm not saying it's some amazing super high end thing, but yeah.
Yes and no,if the analysis was done right;the Series X has a slight resolution and performance advantage over the PS5.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Saying it's a laptop CPU doesn't really mean much though. Expensive gaming laptops can be pretty damn high end.
it's done with primitive shaders on the PS5, mesh shaders is a Microsoft term.
Physiognomonics
Member
But they told us repeatedly that mesh shaders was a hardware unit only present in AMD GPUs since RDNA2. Finally it was just a Direct X API? What are we talking about here? Why are Mesh shaders not used in 2070 Nvidia GPUs? Why and how are Mesh shaders implemented on PS5 RDNA1 GPU? How mysterious everything is suddenly when it was so crystal clear in their
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MR ARCADE FOREVER
Member
For people with low to mid tier cards dude
demigod
Member
You are full of shit dude. There’s a reason why it’s always PC vs PS5. Xbox does not want to look inferior.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Zathalus
Member
What article? I can't recall any recent article claiming the PS5 doesn't have mesh shaders? Or rather Primitive shaders, as that is the term Sony uses.
twilo99
Member
I’m not sure those high end laptops actually use the mobile CPU SKUs lol
Saying a laptop CPU just means it’s designed to use less power, which generally would mean that it’s less capable than its desktop counterpart from the same generation.
You need low power draw CPUs in the consoles because of their size and cooling restraints.
SKYF@ll
Member
西川善司の3DGE：Primitive Shader対Mesh Shaderの真実。ジオメトリパイプライン戦争の内幕とAMDのゲーマー向けGPU戦略
去る2022年12月，AMDのRadeon GPU戦略を統括するDavid Wang氏とRick Bergman氏に，インタビューする機会を得た。本稿では，彼らに聞いた「Primitive Shader対Mesh Shader」のジオメトリパイプライン標準化争いの実情と，今後のゲーマー向けGPU戦略についてをレポートしたい。
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