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[Romulus]

• Display: 7-inch IPS
• Resolution: 1280x1080
• CPU: Ryzen 5 4600U
• GPU: Radeon Vega 6 (834 stream processors)
• RAM: 16GB DDR4-4266 LPDDR4X
• Storage: 512GB NVMe solid state drive
• Connectivity: 3x USB-C, 3.5mm audio, Wi-Fi 6 (802.11ax)
• Battery: 47 Whr
• Weight: 650 grams
• 500gb storage

Emulation. Runs alot of Wii U, Switch, PS2, and PS3 games already. This thing would easily do Gamecube, Dreamcast etc

 

[TonyK]

Weight? Battery life? It doesn't seem precisely portable.

 

[Hardensoul]

Nintendo will find a reason to struck down this video for using their IP. Just saying....

 

[Romulus]

Weight? Battery life? It doesn't seem precisely portable.

Weight is in the OP. Battery life is 3 hours under really demanding gaming 4-6 otherwise

 

[AJUMP23]

Looks cool. Price is nice.

 

[cyberheater]

Very impressive for handled

 

[MagnesG]

Weight is in the OP. Battery life is 3 hours under really demanding gaming 4-6 otherwise

More like 1.5-2 hours at most.

 

[DaleinCalgary]

would be good for on the shitter

 

[Romulus]

More like 1.5-2 hours at most.

Monster Hunter does 3 hours pretty easy and it's a newer game.

 

[jufonuk]

The price isn't right

 

[G-Bus]

Nevermind hah

 

[Stuart360]

Probably way more powerful than any potential Switch 2 will end up being.

 

[MagnesG]

Monster Hunter does 3 hours pretty easy and it's a newer game.

It depends on the settings and everything, with more compromise most newer games could stand for 3 hours.

Still 1.5-2 hours normally from what I read though. Or did you have one and tested it?

 

[Romulus]

It depends on the settings and everything, with more compromise most newer games could stand for 3 hours.

Still 1.5-2 hours normally from what I read though. Or did you have one and tested it?

Yup. The video has like 7 AAA games, none of them run at less than 2 hours, even Cyberpunk. Settings are lowered but still, for me I wouldn't do more than 2 hours for any situation, and most anywhere I go theres somewhere to charge while playing.

 

[Hinedorf]

Curious how hot that thing will get in his hands

 

[MagnesG]

Yup. The video has like 7 AAA games, none of them run at less than 2 hours, even Cyberpunk. Settings are lowered but still, for me I wouldn't do more than 2 hours for any situation, and most anywhere I go theres somewhere to charge while playing.

60fps for the most part?

 

[Sleepwalker]

So it's more than a current gen console and not that portable.

I'm all for these portable machines but I'm struggling to see the value

 

[Torrent of Pork]

Impressive, not for me, but impressive.

 

[x@3f*oo_e!]

As I understand it the GPU in that is ~PS4 levels (but weaker than a 7870, hard to find comparisons, but maybe 70%), so maybe more like XONE power. At least it show the handheld somepeople want is possible.

You can get the same thing (or even 4700U) in a laptop for ~$600, and then just buy a xbox controller too.

 

[Sejan]

Probably way more powerful than any potential Switch 2 will end up being.

I don't know. I think it's certainly probable for a Switch 2. A switch pro likely would quite get there, but I think a pro upgrade would probably punch above it's for all the same reasons that most consoles do (more optimized code due to known hardware, less OS overhead, etc).

Even so, it's over twice the price of any potential Nintendo console release so any advantage definitely needs to be taken with a grain of salt with that hefty price.

 

[01011001]

I'm gonna wait for the AYA YA edition

 

[Alebrije]

Curious how hot that thing will get in his hands

Te moment you touch it :

 

[Romulus]

I don't know. I think it's certainly probable for a Switch 2. A switch pro likely would quite get there, but I think a pro upgrade would probably punch above it's for all the same reasons that most consoles do (more optimized code due to known hardware, less OS overhead, etc).

Even so, it's over twice the price of any potential Nintendo console release so any advantage definitely needs to be taken with a grain of salt with that hefty price.

Hell no. Switch 2 won't touch this, the pro wouldn't come close. Switch is a toy, it needs to be $300

 

[Romulus]

As I understand it the GPU in that is ~PS4 levels (but weaker than a 7870, hard to find comparisons, but maybe 70%), so maybe more like XONE power. At least it show the handheld somepeople want is possible.

You can get the same thing (or even 4700U) in a laptop for ~$600, and then just buy a xbox controller too.

The CPU smokes both PS4 and Xbox one though. But I agree, a small laptop is a great option.

 

[poodaddy]

Interested until I saw the 500 gb storage. I just can't see how anyone rocks with less than a terabyte at the very least these days, and even that's too small.

 

[pasterpl]

I have preordered this instead

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[Rikkori]

Seeing what this bad boy can do, I'm actually getting really excited for handhelds. Once we get the RDNA 2 APUs this sort of a device is going to be great. 720p medium/high xcom 2 modded, with 4+ hours of battery life? Hell yes!
Let's go Rembrandt!

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[KiteGr]

I want something that can play well the region locked consoles. AKA the PS2, XB360, 3DS, wiiU ect...
The GPD Win 3 seems to be that console, but I can't stomach those retarded analogue stick positions. Now I only hope for a good alternative.

 

[Sejan]

Hell no. Switch 2 won't touch this, the pro wouldn't come close. Switch is a toy, it needs to be $300

The best numbers that I can grind on this thing puts it at 2 terraflops max. The switch is roughly 0.4 TF. A switch 2 would only need a 5 times increase in power to match it.

The PS4 was 1.8 TF while the PS5 is 10.3 a little less than a 6 times multiple.
Xbox one was 1.3 Tf while the series X is 12 a nine times multiple.
The new 3DS was 4.8 gigaflops while the switch is somewhere in the 400 gigaflops range. An 80 times multiple.

It is absolutely reasonable to assume that a Switch 2 (a next gen switch) could reach those levels. A 5-6 times increase in power from one generation to the next is generally expected. A switch Pro (upgrade rather than next gen) probably won't hit quite those levels, but it could certainly be closer than you are giving credit.

Maybe my specs are off for the Ava Neo, but I can't find anything better.

 

[Romulus]

The best numbers that I can grind on this thing puts it at 2 terraflops max. The switch is roughly 0.4 TF. A switch 2 would only need a 5 times increase in power to match it.

The PS4 was 1.8 TF while the PS5 is 10.3 a little less than a 6 times multiple.
Xbox one was 1.3 Tf while the series X is 12 a nine times multiple.
The new 3DS was 4.8 gigaflops while the switch is somewhere in the 400 gigaflops range. An 80 times multiple.

It is absolutely reasonable to assume that a Switch 2 (a next gen switch) could reach those levels. A 5-6 times increase in power from one generation to the next is generally expected. A switch Pro (upgrade rather than next gen) probably won't hit quite those levels, but it could certainly be closer than you are giving credit.

Maybe my specs are off for the Ava Neo, but I can't find anything better.

The problem is there is more than just Teraflops, and I'm not even sure those are numbers correct. 16gb of ram and the CPU are a very different story.

 

[DESTROYA]

Weight? Battery life? It doesn't seem precisely portable.

How is this not portable? Reviewer seems to use it no problem.
If you mean pocketable that's a completely different story and even the Switch is not pocketable but that's besides the point.

Curious how hot that thing will get in his hands

Watch the video and look at the stats running in MSI afterburner, they are pretty good.
So not very hot

So it's more than a current gen console and not that portable.

I'm all for these portable machines but I'm struggling to see the value

Again ? Look at the first answer and I ask again how is this not portable ?

Te moment you touch it :

Watch the video before resorting to memes that make no sense , it doesn't run hot .

Interested until I saw the 500 gb storage. I just can't see how anyone rocks with less than a terabyte at the very least these days, and even that's too small.

To be fair most other devices with this hardware comes with even less but at least you can upgrade storage if you desire. Takes a regular M2 SSD .

I have preordered this instead

GPD WIN3:The world’s 1st handheld AAA game console

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I have the MAX and other GPD products but hate they used only a 5.5" screen on the Win 3 , it will make most text heavy games unplayable on that tiny screen.
Ergonomics is horrible for a handheld with the analog stick placement and the touch keyboard even worse and I won't even get into a lot of games won't even launch due to shitty Intel drivers.
Sure you gain a slight edge in performance but not worth it if you have to sacrifice what I posted above.
First GPD product

 

[Sejan]

The problem is there is more than just Teraflops, and I'm not even sure those are numbers correct. 16gb of ram and the CPU are a very different story.

The only numbers I could find on a Vega 6 put it at a max of 2 TF for fp16 and TF for fp32. Sure the cpu will likely be better than a switch 2, but the Ava's 16gb ram will likely go to waste with the otherwise relatively low powered parts that the AVA is running. Either way the Ram requirements of windows will eat up a fair bit of that ram partly leveling the playing field in the switch's favor either way.

While this machine is certainly leagues ahead of the Switch as it stands, it's silly to suggest that The Switch's successor won't be a pretty good upgrade.

If you have better Vega 6 stats, I'd love to see them. I couldn't find much on a cursory google search.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

I'm gonna wait for the AYA YA edition

I hate you some much Karen.

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

Weight? Battery life? It doesn't seem precisely portable.

It looks portable in the same way that people inexplicably say the Switch is portable just because it has a display slapped on the controller.

 

[n0razi]

For a portable gaming machine I would prefer the Intel Tiger Lake (Iris Xe) over the Ryzen... something like the GPD Win 3

 

[InDaGulag]

I have preordered this instead

GPD WIN3:The world’s 1st handheld AAA game console

1165G7/1135G7 processor, 16GB LPDDR4x 4266, 1TB NVMe SSD, 60 FPS for the latest AAA games | Check out 'GPD WIN3:The world’s 1st handheld AAA game console' on Indiegogo.

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I have a Win 2. It's a great little device. The Win 3 looks like a massive upgrade. If only I had the money to buy one. But I'm trying to budget better and avoid luxuries.

 

[chorizosausage#3774]

there's a market or this, it's just very small.

 

[Romulus]

The only numbers I could find on a Vega 6 put it at a max of 2 TF for fp16 and TF for fp32. Sure the cpu will likely be better than a switch 2, but the Ava's 16gb ram will likely go to waste with the otherwise relatively low powered parts that the AVA is running. Either way the Ram requirements of windows will eat up a fair bit of that ram partly leveling the playing field in the switch's favor either way.

While this machine is certainly leagues ahead of the Switch as it stands, it's silly to suggest that The Switch's successor won't be a pretty good upgrade.

If you have better Vega 6 stats, I'd love to see them. I couldn't find much on a cursory google search.

I don't. What I know is the Switch 2 is probably a ways off and these portable units keep getting more powerful. Probably not even good to speculate because it could 2 years away. I made that mistake. I mean in the 4 years, switch 2 could blow this thing away.

The other thing is out of the box emulation, Switch 2 will need workarounds.

 

[DESTROYA]

The only numbers I could find on a Vega 6 put it at a max of 2 TF for fp16 and TF for fp32. Sure the cpu will likely be better than a switch 2, but the Ava's 16gb ram will likely go to waste with the otherwise relatively low powered parts that the AVA is running. Either way the Ram requirements of windows will eat up a fair bit of that ram partly leveling the playing field in the switch's favor either way.

While this machine is certainly leagues ahead of the Switch as it stands, it's silly to suggest that The Switch's successor won't be a pretty good upgrade.

If you have better Vega 6 stats, I'd love to see them. I couldn't find much on a cursory google search.

AMD APU's love dual channel RAM the more and faster the better .
This uses low power DDR4 RAM 4266 MHz so better for battery life and performance

 

[Kenpachii]

Honestly after seeing this stuff i honestly think that's the future of consoles to go with. The fact u can run switch games emulated at 60 fps is just insane.

 

[MagnesG]

Another thing is you actually need to plug it in to actually use its full specs, often times reduced settings must be used to conserve the battery.

Overall it does soured up the whole portable experience a bit.

 

[Fbh]

That's pretty impressive. Makes me look forward to how portable gaming will evolve in the next decade.

Price will always be a factor though as it doesn't look like the option of forgoing portability to get much more power for much less money is going anywhere.
But maybe once diminishing returns really starts to set in non-nintendo portable will get big.

 

[Redneckerz]

The only numbers I could find on a Vega 6 put it at a max of 2 TF for fp16 and TF for fp32. Sure the cpu will likely be better than a switch 2, but the Ava's 16gb ram will likely go to waste with the otherwise relatively low powered parts that the AVA is running. Either way the Ram requirements of windows will eat up a fair bit of that ram partly leveling the playing field in the switch's favor either way.

While this machine is certainly leagues ahead of the Switch as it stands, it's silly to suggest that The Switch's successor won't be a pretty good upgrade.

If you have better Vega 6 stats, I'd love to see them. I couldn't find much on a cursory google search.

A Vega 11 as seen in the Ryzen 2400G/3400G usually performs similar to a PS4 (so 1080p30). A Vega 8 from that era is not that much off either.

Vega 6 in Ryzen 4x have less cores but are clocked way higher. So although TF will suggest its just about XBO level, in practice it will be similar to PS4. Say around 900p/1080p.

RAM bandwidth is crucial with these. Single channel DDR4 (or even worse, DDR3) will tank performance. Dual channel DDR4 of a sufficient rate is what makes these APU's performance decadently.

 

[Sejan]

A Vega 11 as seen in the Ryzen 2400G/3400G usually performs similar to a PS4 (so 1080p30). A Vega 8 from that era is not that much off either.

Vega 6 in Ryzen 4x have less cores but are clocked way higher. So although TF will suggest its just about XBO level, in practice it will be similar to PS4. Say around 900p/1080p.

RAM bandwidth is crucial with these. Single channel DDR4 (or even worse, DDR3) will tank performance. Dual channel DDR4 of a sufficient rate is what makes these APU's performance decadently.

That's roughly the performance I'm expecting—somewhere in the 1-2 TF range. I think it's likely that the switch successor will get roughly there. It's certainly within the historical norm for a generational leap.

 

[Memorabilia]

$700? Nope.

$500 and I take a łook.

$400 and I insta-buy it.

 

[Kenpachii]

I don't think we will see a switch 2 anytime soon. its probably going to take a year or 2 more if not 3. so yea if nvidia really goes after a next gen tegra chip with dlss on it and 720p target we could see easily PS5 games run on that thing.

 

[Redneckerz]

That's roughly the performance I'm expecting—somewhere in the 1-2 TF range. I think it's likely that the switch successor will get roughly there. It's certainly within the historical norm for a generational leap.

A Switch 2 is difficult in the sense that there are only two real options:

• A Tegra Xavier (Either the 512 core part of the 384 core one), modified to suit Nintendo's needs
• A custom chip, modified to suit Nintendo's needs (Low power, but decent performance)

Nintendo is all about balance, so what they will go for is something that is more powerful than their predecessor but not within spitting distance of the other consoles.

 

[jufonuk]

Probably way more powerful than any potential Switch 2 will end up being.

Yeah but lacking the magic.

 

[UnNamed]

It's true it's a powerful device, but it's just too expensive, not per se since the hardware in it is expensive, but I because I don't think a portable gaming device should cost more than 300$, at that price I would buy a notebook instead.

 

[EverydayBeast]

A nice little AAA handheld is a nice opportunity this has nothing to do with Switch.