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Backwards Compatibility. How much did you actually use it this gen?

SeanNoonan said:
This is one of my biggest problems with hardcore gamers. Gaming is a hobby, gamers aren't automatically entitled to the content they want. Everything has a price. If you can't afford that price right now, tough luck. Better luck next time. Etc.

As for services like PSN/Steam/Xbox going down, sure this could happen, though it's very fucking unlikely this will happen without any warning. Should any of these services die, I am sure you will have notice that allows you enough time to download what you need to whatever devices you bought them on.
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You're really endearing yourself to me as a future linchpin of NeoGAF's userbase, here.

worldrevolution said:
But once those devices stop working..? That's your argument, isn't it? Or once those services are shut down? Even upon death the collections are nontransferable. Again, this is the digital age.
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Yeah, because if my PC dies, I lose all of my data forever, right?

There's some pretty heavy short-sightedness going on in here. I'm not sure I can dedicate any more of my Saturday to it.
 
I've tried a bunch, but had plenty of problems.

Silent Hill 4 on 360 had all sorts of artifacts, with polygons not connecting right; Silent Hill 2 on ps3 had James' leg becoming invisible in idle animation; MGS3 on ps3 would crash often; Ninja Gaiden Black on 360 corrupted my saves twice.

I've played RE2 and SH1 on ps3, but those i've rebought from the PSN.
In the end, i just hooked up my ps2 and xbox to another TV and called it a day.

Backwards compatibility is not a big issue for me, as long as they keep the servers running, for the old DD games.
If in 7 years i want to play Journey again, will i be able to hook up my ps3 and download it again?
 
Played Silent Hill 3 through again, which still looked gorgeous upscaled, and showed the first SSX to my friend, but it didn't work properly on the partly backwards compatible EU launch unit. Crashed after the race. That's it.


EDIT: I forgot I played the disc version of Resident Evil 2 as well, before it came available on PS+.

So, based on that BC is really not a big issue for me, but I'd like to be able to play WipEout HD in the future after my PS3 dies and the system is discontinued, especially if there won't be another entry to the series. The plus side of BC is that you can play the old games upscaled, and possibly with some added visual enhancements.
 
SeanNoonan said:
This is one of my biggest problems with hardcore gamers. Gaming is a hobby, gamers aren't automatically entitled to the content they want. Everything has a price. If you can't afford that price right now, tough luck. Better luck next time. Etc.

As for services like PSN/Steam/Xbox going down, sure this could happen, though it's very fucking unlikely this will happen without any warning. Should any of these services die, I am sure you will have notice that allows you enough time to download what you need to whatever devices you bought them on.
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What a wonderful anti-consumer attitude there. I don't sell my old system or games but I sure as hell am not about to demonize people for doing so especially if they don't make much money. As a fan of this hobby you should want people from all financial situations to be able to enjoy it on some level. Yes in the end this is a hobby and a luxury but there's no reason to shun others just because they can't afford to join in without the used market.
 
TerryWogan said:
Yeah, because if my PC dies, I lose all of my data forever, right?

There's some pretty heavy short-sightedness going on in here. I'm not sure I can dedicate any more of my Saturday to it.
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Why are you talking about the pc? The pc isn't a closed system made by a single company (except for Apple, and THEY had bc issues as well). Gaming consoles are not pcs. Digital purchases of any kind are not permanent.
 
I think once I tried GT4 on my launch PS3, oh and one day I tried GT1 too. Basically I couldn't care less about BC.
 
I think I used it like three times. I remember using it for Halo: CE and Morrowind on my 360, but I'm sure there was another time.
 
TerryWogan said:
You're really endearing yourself to me as a future linchpin of NeoGAF's userbase, here.
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I'm mainly playing devil's advocate.

As I said, I used backwards compatibility this generation and enjoyed the experience of only having to have one system at a time to enjoy multiple generations of games (on the Sony side), but I just don't think it's something that people should expect.

Gaming is my life; it's both my hobby and my career, but I still don't have this overwhelming sense of entitlement that I see so freely expressed over the NeoGAF.
 
Do we really think posting lists of every game we've played via backwards compatibility during this generation is interesting discussion? The crux of the OP's argument is "people hardly use backwards compatibility today, so it shouldn't matter that it isn't available in future".

Well, it does matter:

1) A lot of people have invested a lot of money in various digital platforms.

2) These games are in HD, and generally won't look like shit on our spangly new TVs once next-gen rolls around, and therefore, people are more likely than ever to wish to continue playing them. Double up that desire to continue playing them when you weigh in with classic titles that have stood the test of time and have been ported to the HD consoles.

3) Old consoles take up valuable space underneath said spangly new TVs, so many people aren't keen on keeping them plugged in and ready to go.

4) This generation's crop of consoles have very well documented reliability problems, and will not work forever. In fact, I'd be surprised if you can buy a functioning Xbox 360 on eBay for anything other than silly money in 10 years.

SeanNoonan said:
I'm mainly playing devil's advocate.

As I said, I used backwards compatibility this generation and enjoyed the experience of only having to have one system at a time to enjoy multiple generations of games (on the Sony side), but I just don't think it's something that people should expect.

Gaming is my life; it's both my hobby and my career, but I still don't have this overwhelming sense of entitlement that I see so freely expressed over the NeoGAF.
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I'm not sure you understand what "devil's advocate" means. You're quite clearly expressing your own anti-consumer opinions here.

worldrevolution said:
Why are you talking about the pc? The pc isn't a closed system made by a single company. Gaming consoles are not pcs. Digital purchases of any kind are not permanent.
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If you can't follow what I'm saying, I can't help you.

I'm speaking in plain English.

edit: See bitoriginal's post below if you're still confused.
 
Having a 60 gb phat ps3 I'd played on it quite a bit of ps2 games. For the most part old games that I actually bought after I've bought the ps3, like Fatal Frame 2 and 3, Silent Hill 2 and 3, Glass Rose (?),Syberia and Syberia 2, Odin Sphere, Valkyrie Prophile and Katamary. The only game who had game problems has been Star Ocean: Till the end of Time that stopped working 15 hours in. I replay sometimes my old library, as well
 
Currently playing FarCry instincts on my 360. If my PS3 were b/c there would be a ton of games I would have played on it. As it was, I was forced to play them on a PS2. I played Mario Sunshine, Custome Robo, Super Smash Melee, and Mario Party 5 on my Wii. I switch between my DSiXL and my 3DS as the other charges. To me, backwards compatibility is a big thing. Probably why I'm leaning towards PC this next gen.
 
Splinter cell chaos theory, halo 2 - in the beginning of the xbox 360's life

If my ps3(I have a slim) was BC I would have bought and played Final Fantasy XII and Kingdom hears 1 + 2
EDIT: if playing ps1 games DD on the ps3 counts: Final fantasy 9

Wind waker, super mario sunshine - on the wii, would still play them but my GC controller broke and sold Sunchine after
 
SeanNoonan said:
This is one of my biggest problems with hardcore gamers. Gaming is a hobby, gamers aren't automatically entitled to the content they want. Everything has a price. If you can't afford that price right now, tough luck. Better luck next time. Etc.

As for services like PSN/Steam/Xbox going down, sure this could happen, though it's very fucking unlikely this will happen without any warning. Should any of these services die, I am sure you will have notice that allows you enough time to download what you need to whatever devices you bought them on.
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Are you missing the point as well as coming across like an idiot? People are used to having digital purchases carry over, it's something consumers are accustomed to across their account based services. Most content these days is device agnostic, be it on my Iphone, my Android tablet, my Amazon Kindle, or on Steam. You can be sure that as a consumer, I'm going to buy the tech that lets me use my content across devices. If one console offers it, and one doesn't, then it makes more sense to me as a consumer to initally buy the one that does. Sony literally can't offer it because of the architecture of the PS3, and maybe the Xbox won't, but it if does, then it's going to be a feature that's attractive to me and many others.
 
Never used it on t he PS3.

I do have Dissidia 012, Gods Eater Burst, Street Alpha 3 and FFVII to FFIX on my vita but they don't get much play compared to the vita games.
 
I played some GBA games on my DS/Lite for the first half of its life but the shoulder buttons eventually broke and I moved on to a DSi.

I played some GameCube games on Wii. Not too many.

A handful of PS1 games on PS3. My PS3 can't play PS2 games. I did buy a couple of PSOne Classics, and one PS2 Classic (God Hand, motherfuckers)

My 3DS plays DS games sometimes, but surprisingly, I don't really bother playing many DS games any more even though it had an awesome library.

I've played a lot of Virtual Console games on Wii and 3DS, if that counts.

The case seems to be that I'm not super interested in games from the most recent generation because I played them to death relatively recently. One generation before that seems to be the sweet spot for me. I'll probably want to play a bunch of GameCube and PS2 games now that the new generation is starting.
 
I use it pretty constantly this gen. I might wait to pick up any console that doesn't support it. I'm talking physical discs. Going into each new gen I always have quite the backlog from the last one, and during the software lulls I really like to work on it.

I also do not like carting around a bunch of consoles. I move twice a year due to my job, and it gets annoying.
 
It's basically all I'm using my Wii U for these days, finishing up Sonic Colors and wanting to finish Xenoblade in preparation for X.

Didn't really use GameCube BC much in my Wii though, except a couple mock rounds of Melee to see how much better Brawl is.
 
SeanNoonan said:
Seriously though, how much did people complain that they couldn't play their NES games on their Super Nintendo?
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Just wanted to toss in with the "everyone I knew complained about that" crowd. I complained about it as well and hoped Nintendo would at least release an adapter like the Genesis had.
 
I used it A LOT. I can positively say that I played more PS2 era and PS1 era games than any gen7 games since the beginning of the generation.
 
Never had a BC PS3.. but would have played Persona 4 because my PS2 had died by the time it had released.. but honestly I could have borrowed a PS2 from a friend if I really cared all that much.. and I didn't.

Not a single time with my 360.

I think I put a GC in a Wii once.. I think.
 
I think 50 % of my Wii Game time was GC games,

I played quite a bit of GBA games on my DS in the early years.

I play old games on PC regurarily.

The PS3/360 didn't get used for BC all that much but they are also by far my least used gaming devices.



So yeah, i think BC is really important, why wouldn't you want the ability to play your old games as well?
 
Once.
I bought Forza Motorsport to see if it was as awesome as I remembered.
And it wasn't.
It was shit.
It looked like shit.
And it played like shit.
Because GAMING HAD MOVED ON SINCE THEN.
 
UrbanRats said:
Oh right, i forgot the Wii.
I played a lot of Game Cube games on the Wii and Advance games on the DS.

damn too quick.
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This is interesting, too. The Wii is a better comparison for expectations of backwards compatibility next-gen over the 360 and PS3. The Wii was essentially a Gamecube. If you were happy with the Wii's visual fidelity, you ought to have had few qualms about "going backwards" and playing some Cube games.

Similarly, the next-gen systems (as we've seen) aren't going to be a particularly huge graphical leap. People will want to play their "HD" games from this generation on the new consoles.
 
A whole hell of a lot on my DS and 3DS. For consoles I think I played Phantom Dust and Halo and a couple Final Fantasy games.
 
When the PS3 was released, I stopped playing my PS2. I have yet to play a 'PS2 game' since 2006. However, I have played the God Of War collection in HD, although I am not sure that counts.
 
I played quite a bit of BC games on my 360 since I never had the original Xbox. And since my GameCube broke a few months ago, I just play my games on my Wii now.

For Xbox, I played:
-Conker: Live & Reloaded
-Jet Set Radio Future
-Ninja Gaiden Black (looks great too)
-Outrun 2, even played the original
-Panzer Dragoon Orta, and the original
-Sonic Mega Collection Plus

For GameCube, I played:
-F-Zero GX
-Mario Party 4
-Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes
-Soul Calibur II
-Star Fox Adventures

I have many other Xbox and GameCube games but I haven't really played them as much as I have the ones above. I would also think that playing old Xbox games on the 360 would give people more incentive to play them since you can't transfer the saves and have to start all over.
 
I never used it at all, just for some yearly Halo 1/2 Lan parties.

Edit: Nevermind, i gave my gamecube away but kept the games since they are playable on the Wii.
 
There's zero excuse for a lack of backwards compatibility for digital games. I mean, aside from screwing people over for the sake of profits.

Edit : Don't listen to me.
 
Honestly, all I did was finish Devil May Cry 3 and play some Fire Pro Wrestling.

kittens said:
There's zero excuse for a lack of backwards compatibility for digital games. I mean, aside from screwing people over for the sake of profits.
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I still don't understand this logic. A PS3 game (for example) is a PS3 game whether you bought it at a store or downloaded it through PSN. It makes no difference.
 
Do people really never go back and play previous gen games and NOT want the luxury of only having to have one system plugged in?

Or was the 'I don't care about BC' just what those interested in the PS4 are saying to not discredit their future purchase?
 
Playing xenoblade on my WiiU right now. I have a Vita and still play PSP games. When I get a 3DS I won't stop playing my DS games and when I get my PS4 my PS3 will be hooked up right beside it.
 
I use my Wii to play GameCube games very often.

Other systems, not so much anymore, though I used to play Halo 2 on my 360 for the first... year or so after it came out.
 
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