TOM f'N CRUISE
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beer in bags :lol wtf!!!!! how the hell are you supposed to sneak alcohol into theaters??
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Bagged milk hits UK, continues world domination
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As a Canadian who spent 4 years on bagged milk. I do have to say it is significantly more work using bags. Having 3 separate containers to cut open and change-out is harder to work with than one 4L jug. It's also easier to spill when full, due to the flexibility of the plastic.Ranger X said:
Mudkips said:
i dont even.. what? i was trying to discuss the size of the plastic involved in packaging. i don't follow what you're saying/arguing at all.
lets get some things straight if we're doing math:
milk bags in canada are 1333 mL each. 3 of these bags come in a larger bag.
milk bags from the article, and their equivalent plastic bottles, are 568x2=1136 mL.
1 US gallon = 3785 mL
1. where does volume and surface area factor into this? are you trying to say that there is more surface area for the equivalent amount of volume, when using bags instead of jugs/cartons? yeah, this is true except the thickness of the surface area of bags is miniscule compared to the thickness of jugs.
2. why are we talking about spheres?
3. 1 US gallon = 3.3x the volume of 2 UK pints, not 4x
3.1 wtf, 50 foot tall ants?
4. explain more why weighing the amount of plastic packaging for 4L of milk in bags versus a US gallon jug is illogical to you
Kusagari said:
Just gotta market it right. Get into the mind of the environmentally conscious. Organic milk in bags would sell gangbusters at Trader Joe's and Whole Foods supermarket types.
Then it's just a matter of making the bigger corporate supermarkets jump on the bandwagon.
It can work.
It must start with California, I think; they're all about the environment nowadays.
Chittagong
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It blows my mind how so few countries use these for milk:
They are nearly perfect. Highly recyclable, they keep their shape, they can be squished into a tiny space when empty etc.
They are the standard for milk, juice, yoghurt and what not in Scandinavia but not much elsewhere.
They are nearly perfect. Highly recyclable, they keep their shape, they can be squished into a tiny space when empty etc.
They are the standard for milk, juice, yoghurt and what not in Scandinavia but not much elsewhere.
Mr_Appleby
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chittagong: australia use them heaps much also for milk & juice. although we use plastic (recyclable) bottles also. never payed enough attention to work out which is cheapest, i'm usually buying small dairy full fat milk anyway, as i am a glutton 
i encountered milk in bags for the first time in india last year. it was great, only we didn't have anything to put it into, or a fridge to keep it cool. a guy i was travelling with put the bag to sit in a bowl in the sink and all the milk ran out.
but there also a man would come and deliver milk in the mornings, not in bottles but you'd give him a pan and he'd fill it up for you. then the family i was staying with at that time would boil it to keep it from spoiling.
i encountered milk in bags for the first time in india last year. it was great, only we didn't have anything to put it into, or a fridge to keep it cool. a guy i was travelling with put the bag to sit in a bowl in the sink and all the milk ran out.
but there also a man would come and deliver milk in the mornings, not in bottles but you'd give him a pan and he'd fill it up for you. then the family i was staying with at that time would boil it to keep it from spoiling.
MisterHero
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My middle school served milk bags and I always thought they were weird
their popularity today makes no exception!
Still weird!
their popularity today makes no exception!
Still weird!
The whole argument is moot as far as I'm concerned.. the flash-pasteurization that most milk goes through makes it pretty much useless. If you feed milk off the shelf to a calf, it will die of starvation. If you want the nutrients that come from dairy products, you're better off eating yogurt and drinking water.
BertramCooper
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Yeah, that's not true at all. Most people would get sick if they drank raw, unpasteurized milk. Also, the milk is fortified during processing, so it actually contains more nutrients than it ordinarily would.Tarazet said:
Yes, but only because a significant amount of the fat has been removed, since humans don't require nearly as much fat as a baby calf would. It has nothing to do with pasteurization.
You do know that yogurt is typically made with pasteurized milk, don't you?
Prax
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Bagged milk is awesome!
I can see how people might be super-perplexed if they have been drinking from cartons, capped jugs, or bottles all thier life, but in practical terms, bags just work and they work well.
Besides, I find capped jugs unwieldy, and regular cartons are more gross (milk drying at the edges of the paper spout after a day or so), and glass jars heavy (and I fear breaking the glass).
I am not really used to capped cartons. They seem like an okay option for transporting liquids if you were gong somewhere, but on the whole, milk in a bag in a proper picther for it and the pouring corner snipped off seems like the best solution.
It takes up less space when it's empty, you can pack the extra bags around in your fridge and there's little chance of it leaking, the plastic gives you a good visual of how much milk you have remaining or if it is going bad, and having a snipped corner for a spout ensures pretty good pouring accuracy (unless you have crappy scissors and end up with a frayed spout, which can lead to weird directionals)!
Anyway, I GUESS.. MAYBE it can be somehow difficult for poeple to get at first, but give it a try! I enjoy being the one that gets to put a new bag in, snip the corner, and test the first pour. It's kind of fun in a way to go through your milk bag supply, like energy tanks. XD
Also, I don't see milk in soda/beer cans. I suppose that could be pretty fun too.
I can see how people might be super-perplexed if they have been drinking from cartons, capped jugs, or bottles all thier life, but in practical terms, bags just work and they work well.
Besides, I find capped jugs unwieldy, and regular cartons are more gross (milk drying at the edges of the paper spout after a day or so), and glass jars heavy (and I fear breaking the glass).
I am not really used to capped cartons. They seem like an okay option for transporting liquids if you were gong somewhere, but on the whole, milk in a bag in a proper picther for it and the pouring corner snipped off seems like the best solution.
It takes up less space when it's empty, you can pack the extra bags around in your fridge and there's little chance of it leaking, the plastic gives you a good visual of how much milk you have remaining or if it is going bad, and having a snipped corner for a spout ensures pretty good pouring accuracy (unless you have crappy scissors and end up with a frayed spout, which can lead to weird directionals)!
Anyway, I GUESS.. MAYBE it can be somehow difficult for poeple to get at first, but give it a try! I enjoy being the one that gets to put a new bag in, snip the corner, and test the first pour. It's kind of fun in a way to go through your milk bag supply, like energy tanks. XD
Also, I don't see milk in soda/beer cans. I suppose that could be pretty fun too.
BertramCooper said:
I guess that's why it is sold in boutique groceries and billed as one of the ultimate health foods.
There's a difference between pasteurization and flash pasteurization. In the latter, milk is heated to 165 degrees for 15-30 seconds. It kills off microorganisms, but it also fries a lot of the nutritional content.
Yes, yogurt is made from pasteurized milk, but not flash-pasteurized, because the live cultures that define what yogurt is can't survive in that environment. And if the yogurt was pasteurized after the cultures were added - yes, that does indeed happen - then it's completely worthless.
Um.. Dude, this type of carton is used EVERYWHERE I GO! Just as you named. Milk, juice, and other liquids. I don't know what you are talking about.Chittagong said:It blows my mind how so few countries use these for milk:
They are nearly perfect. Highly recyclable, they keep their shape, they can be squished into a tiny space when empty etc.
They are the standard for milk, juice, yoghurt and what not in Scandinavia but not much elsewhere.
jamesinclair
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Add Brazil to the list.
Ive purchased milk in jugs, cartons, cartons with caps and bags.
The first bag experience was messy, but even an idiot can learn the proper pouring technique immediately.
You also have two options:
Empty bag directly into jug.
Place bag in jug, pour from bag held in jug.
Both work equally well.
Ive purchased milk in jugs, cartons, cartons with caps and bags.
The first bag experience was messy, but even an idiot can learn the proper pouring technique immediately.
You also have two options:
Empty bag directly into jug.
Place bag in jug, pour from bag held in jug.
Both work equally well.
BertramCooper
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So the fact that it's sold in specialty stores automatically means it's better for you?Tarazet said:
I'll default to the FDA on this one.
"Research shows no meaningful difference in the nutritional values of pasteurized and unpasteurized milk."
And the two types of pasteurization used for dairy today are HTST (a.k.a. flash) and UHT. I'm not sure what you mean by the generic "pasteurization." These days, HTST is pretty much synonymous with the term. Products made with HTST are typically labeled as "pasteurized," while products made via UHT are usually labeled as "ultra-high pasteurized."
The cultures are added after the milk has been pasteurized, not before, when making yogurt. Additionally, the cultures used to make yogurt are additives - they don't actually come from the milk itself.
Jayayess1190
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This thread makes me thirsty.
I NEED SCISSORS
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Chittagong said:It blows my mind how so few countries use these for milk:
They are nearly perfect. Highly recyclable, they keep their shape, they can be squished into a tiny space when empty etc.
They are the standard for milk, juice, yoghurt and what not in Scandinavia but not much elsewhere.
Um, it's called Tetra Pak. It's a really famous design, and is used for most cartons..
MrPing1000
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Mama Robotnik said:Bags of milk? How ghastly.
Now, here's the way the world should turn:
Mr or Mrs Milkperson drops off the full glass bottle in the morning. You useth the Milk. A few days later, whenever you are ready, you leave the empty bottle outside your house. Mr or Mrs Milkperson collects it to be cleaned and refilled, replacing it with a full bottle, and the cycle of life continues.
Northern Ireland stopped doing this like 18months ago. It pissed me off a lot more than I thought it should.
FUCKING CARTONS GO TO HELL. EVERYTHING IS BETTER IN GLASS (Coke especially)
Zzoram said:
Ive seen some people not put the second hole at the rear end of the bag, resulting in a loss of air pressure inside the bag as its being poured and its eventual collapse into itself.
milk bags teach people about the science of unequal pressures. another reason why canadians are so much smrter.
I love how theres actual bickering in this thread about the storage of milk. absolutely blowing my mind.
Do all you americans realize that Canada ALSO sells milk in cartons for 2 liter sizes and plastic jugs for greater volume? bags are just another option.
LCfiner said:
No it appears not, no matter how many times it is said. Just the usual superiority garbage.
I havent seen a bag of milk since I was a kid. Don't think you can even get it here anymore. And even then you could buy jugs or cartons. I recall bags being cheaper at the time and likely why people would buy them.
oh plz. How about taking over the rest of Canada with your bags before you take on the UK, Eastern Canada! BC will never fall. To arms my fellow provincemen!
oh my god this is so serious i can't help but respond with this srs bzns burn: "Lookit that. An American hating on something because it's different."LQX said:
BertramCooper
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This thread is very entertaining. In any case, I'm just glad to see people care this much about milk.
Spirit of Jazz
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Fuck off Canada, to further reduce costs I shall continue to scrump my milk from the fuzzy teets of local cattle as any real man would; savouring the sickly warmth only freshly sucked produce can provide.
Macho Madness
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What the fuck? Bags? Why would I want this? How do you even? What? Not even sure how that would work and I definitely wouldn't want to drink something from a plastic titty. Do you stick one end in your mouth and squeeze? I can BARELY tolerate Ketchup packets, now we're getting milk packets? Seriously Canada, stop.
These are used everywhere in the US, for everything, including milk. My supermarket (Albertson's) has milk in those and in the plastic bottles with the handle.Chittagong said:It blows my mind how so few countries use these for milk:
They are nearly perfect. Highly recyclable, they keep their shape, they can be squished into a tiny space when empty etc.
They are the standard for milk, juice, yoghurt and what not in Scandinavia but not much elsewhere.
I reaalllly don't see milk bags taking off here.
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