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Moogle11
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I don't buy that cross gen will hurt games that much. The architectures aren't changing hardly at all and most game engines are easily scaleable and devs are more experienced than every at making their games run at multiple settings as PC gaming has resurged and both Sony and MS did mid gen refreshes that required them to make games look/run better on the Pro and X models.
So the rough spots in the graphics are, IMO, either a sign of just limitations/problems with the game engine, or the game is a ways off and some parts of the current build aren't fully fleshed out.
Excitement for me is moot on this game as I don't care for racing games (and especially sims)., but overall my excitement is down for next gen a bit as I've been underwhelmed by the graphics on PS5 and XSX games shown so far. Only mildly disappointing as it's been reaching a personal point of diminishing returns for me since last gen as I wasn't nearly as wowed by graphics this gen than I was with move to 360 and PS3 as the jump to HD and 16:9 screens was huge.
So the rough spots in the graphics are, IMO, either a sign of just limitations/problems with the game engine, or the game is a ways off and some parts of the current build aren't fully fleshed out.
Excitement for me is moot on this game as I don't care for racing games (and especially sims)., but overall my excitement is down for next gen a bit as I've been underwhelmed by the graphics on PS5 and XSX games shown so far. Only mildly disappointing as it's been reaching a personal point of diminishing returns for me since last gen as I wasn't nearly as wowed by graphics this gen than I was with move to 360 and PS3 as the jump to HD and 16:9 screens was huge.
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JareBear: Remastered
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Happy for both. It still looked really great. Clearly using upgraded assets on PS5 eve if it can’t take full advantage of the SSD (or maybe it still does?)
Cross-gen isn’t as big a handcuff as some think. GT looked pretty crispy
Cross-gen isn’t as big a handcuff as some think. GT looked pretty crispy
jonnyp
Member
I think the 4K version of the trailer looks great for the most part. Didn't look very optimized for some things, like pop-in but that will be sorted. Thought reflections and lighting looked awesome. And it looks like real-time lighting and weather is back. And hopefully also dynamic day-night cycle.
So excited that old GT campaign mode is back with tuning options. Maybe I will buy a new steering wheel too for this.
So excited that old GT campaign mode is back with tuning options. Maybe I will buy a new steering wheel too for this.
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The Fartist
Gold Member
Cross gen? No, GT Sport just looks that good.
Tiamat2san
Member
It’s a game with cars on a road.
Who cares if it’s cross gen?
What difference does it make apart from graphics ?
Who cares if it’s cross gen?
What difference does it make apart from graphics ?
a multicultural team of v
Member
I'm still genuinely impressed at how well using the motion controls not only works but feels. I could imagine with the PS5 controller's new features it would feel even better, which is an exciting thought.
I wonder if VR will be expanded for 7.
SliChillax
Member
It wont be gross gen. Even if the PS4 could play GT7, they wouldn't put it on the PS4. They already made that mistake once with GT6 and GT7 will be a console seller.
LostDonkey
Member
I'm disappointed.
Don't get me wrong it looked great. GT Sport looks great I just expected better from PlayStations premier racer.
Every Generation you see Gran Turismo and you know it's such a big leap it would be impossible on the last console. I didn't see that with this though.
BUT.
I do need to see more. AND.
I will be getting it day one.
Don't get me wrong it looked great. GT Sport looks great I just expected better from PlayStations premier racer.
Every Generation you see Gran Turismo and you know it's such a big leap it would be impossible on the last console. I didn't see that with this though.
BUT.
I do need to see more. AND.
I will be getting it day one.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
The reactions to GT7's graphics have been crazy. I thought it was one of the most visually impressive games at the show.
The Fartist
Gold Member
Yeah, I don't get it. It looks fucking insane.
Tchu-Espresso
likes mayo on everthing and can't dance
What makes people think it’s cross gen?
Honestly I’m kind of in this camp as well. GT7 to me looks like a crossgen game and it’s actually great. The PS5 could be 4K60 or even 1440p 120FPS while Pro is 1440p 60.
going through menus and in and out of races on PS5 will be as silky as playing GT2 on a PS2. Nom nom. It’s gonna be great.
namekuseijin
Banned
change the title of the topic to "raytracing is the most unimpressive feature ever and Microsoft is counting on it"
gamers don't even notice it
gamers don't even notice it
diffusionx
Gold Member
As I always say in these threads I don’t get the negativity. GT Sport looks great. Even if this game is just that with a bit of polish with a campaign mode, it will be awesome.
We are already at for all intents and purposes, photorealism with this genre, and Sport is tops with HDR and lighting. I don’t know what a “generational leap” would look like.
We are already at for all intents and purposes, photorealism with this genre, and Sport is tops with HDR and lighting. I don’t know what a “generational leap” would look like.
DrAspirino
Banned
Physics. If a CPU is weak, then physics are hindered, thus making the simulator not realistic. GT (before the traverty that GT sports is) used to have the best physics in racing simulators along with F1. Hands down.
itsjustJEFF
Member
I personally haven't been excited for Sim racers in years. This won't change that. I think it's the same engine as GT Sport, but apparently it's a very scalable engine.
I think Racing games have looked fantastic for years, especially Sims. At this point I don't even think the cars can look any better, honestly. The cars are so good looking that the things we judge now are things like: the lighting, the weather, the people in the crowds, the pit crew, the driver, the track geometry and its surrounding area. I think that's where you can kinda see it in GT7. The pic crew, not the most detailed. The drivers hands, the way his gloves look, the way the materials move, crease, as they are steering did not look so great. But, of course we've only seen a limited amount of it. So, I'll hold off on final thoughts closer to launch.
I think Racing games have looked fantastic for years, especially Sims. At this point I don't even think the cars can look any better, honestly. The cars are so good looking that the things we judge now are things like: the lighting, the weather, the people in the crowds, the pit crew, the driver, the track geometry and its surrounding area. I think that's where you can kinda see it in GT7. The pic crew, not the most detailed. The drivers hands, the way his gloves look, the way the materials move, crease, as they are steering did not look so great. But, of course we've only seen a limited amount of it. So, I'll hold off on final thoughts closer to launch.
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DarkParadise
Member
I think the last time i played GT was GT5 Prologue on the PS3. Nowadays i am a fun of Forza Horizon, but GT7 really looks good and it seems a lot fans are happy since its going back to its roots. I will try it out for sure.
wordslaughter
Banned
Does GT 7 look bad? No.
But it was a big disappointment.
Think back to every other GT of a new gen. Every time I was blown away by the massive leap forward. But I honestly don't see ANY improvement. It looks like GT Sport.
Where's the next-gen?
But it was a big disappointment.
Think back to every other GT of a new gen. Every time I was blown away by the massive leap forward. But I honestly don't see ANY improvement. It looks like GT Sport.
Where's the next-gen?
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Here's the interesting thing to consider...
Polyphony Digital releases Gran Turismo 7 within the first year of the PS5s life. They treat it as a GAAS type game for the next 6/7 years.
This leaves the door wide open for Polyphony Digital to make a brand new IP.
Polyphony Digital releases Gran Turismo 7 within the first year of the PS5s life. They treat it as a GAAS type game for the next 6/7 years.
This leaves the door wide open for Polyphony Digital to make a brand new IP.
I’d rather they do that with GTS2 in a year and just alternate between esports focused and GT-numbered classic titles.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
That seems like a waste of resources. They can add to, and improve on GT7 via monthly updates for years. There's no need for people to buy another 60 dollar Gran Turismo 8 in a few years.
Let GT7 flourish and let Polyphony Digital create a new IP.
Yeah it’s really weird to me. The draw distance of shadows. Also there is a Fair amount of LOD popping in and out on some cars. While reflections are pretty I could have a less detailed set of reflections if it meant most of the other stuff was better.
Bolivar687
Banned
It's definitely a step up from Sport, at least having played a ton of recently. I thought it looked great and I like how they showed what a lot of the UI and menus will look like, making it seem like this is coming sooner rather than later.
Hawking Radiation
Member
Yes and No.
Watching the 4K trailer has me wet with some parts of the image, namely the car models and lighting.
Not so much with trackside detail. There it looks very PS4 Pro-esque.
Is it an old build? I refuse to accept trees and other track side objects with that kind of detail on a next gen console?
Watching the 4K trailer has me wet with some parts of the image, namely the car models and lighting.
Not so much with trackside detail. There it looks very PS4 Pro-esque.
Is it an old build? I refuse to accept trees and other track side objects with that kind of detail on a next gen console?
Omega Supreme Holopsicon
Member
what's also impressive is the developers were mentioning possible 120fps, iirc
I think the talk was 4k 120fps. It looks very impressive, and if it manages 4k 120fps that would be even more impressive.
009EspadaSageJay
Member
best game that was shown for me no idea if its coming out any time soon probably not.
Dontero
Banned
Yeah it is GTS with GT7 skin graphic wise. Because they probably couldn't make even 100 cars for next gen they probably just gave up and ported GTS and gave it GT7 skin
I really like that Turn10 CEO quote about "King died, long live the king" which was hilarious in GT5 era now became absolute truth and with Forza 8 people will get not only more content but it will kill graphically GT7 at release of Xbox while GT7 is probably year away
I hope they fire Kaz after this. Studio clearly needs someone interested in making games rather than being motorsport person.
I really like that Turn10 CEO quote about "King died, long live the king" which was hilarious in GT5 era now became absolute truth and with Forza 8 people will get not only more content but it will kill graphically GT7 at release of Xbox while GT7 is probably year away
I hope they fire Kaz after this. Studio clearly needs someone interested in making games rather than being motorsport person.
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GenericUser
Member
Clearly not using all the possibilities of the PS5 Hardware, but a step into the right direction. Honestly, the thing I got most excited for is the inclusion of a real "campaign". Can't wait to tune my 80s cars to 900HP.
Mattyp
Gold Member
The track, trackside detail, pop in that's eye catching in the tunnel. See no reason the PS4 couldn't run it in lower detail at 1080.60fps in much the same way Forza works across the PC spectrum. And even then only replay mode looked next gen like it always does on GT that's what looked good, the actual in game section was massively different. People are blowing their load about what isn't in game play.
I worry how many cars and how many years this is still away to. Will we get the same cars that are currently in GTS? Then all this has really done is been a career update half version, which is fine it's what I've been begging for and everyone else has been begging for that we kept being told would 'never return' yet here we are. But if Forza 8 launches with 800 cars and double the amount of tracks then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I worry how many cars and how many years this is still away to. Will we get the same cars that are currently in GTS? Then all this has really done is been a career update half version, which is fine it's what I've been begging for and everyone else has been begging for that we kept being told would 'never return' yet here we are. But if Forza 8 launches with 800 cars and double the amount of tracks then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Why not? GT6 sold a lot on PS3 but sales may have been affected because it launched on PS3 after the PS4 release and without a PS4 version.
Jaguar Victory
Member
I thought it looked pretty good. Lighting was awesome like usual in GT. I'm more likely going to get Forza 8 though. With Turn 10s new strategy of adding updates the game should carry for a few years.
ToadMan
Member
Its funny. I read first word and put a like on your post. .
Then I read the rest and had to take it off again lol.
Yes physics is important. GT was never the best physics model by a long way rofl. It needs a lot of improvement.
I don’t care if the graphics of GT7 are identical to to GTS - I’d much rather see improved tyre modelling. Even now GTS is far too basic.
They have to get to iRacing/AC levels of fidelity and feel. That should be the goal for GT7.
Oh, and GT sport was an excellent online racer - that isn’t going away in GT7.
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captainraincoat
Banned
we probably won’t even be playing this game on a ps5 let alone a ps4
Gtsport is what we got when Sony got sick of PD taking 8 years to make a game
Gtsport is what we got when Sony got sick of PD taking 8 years to make a game
SliChillax
Member
Not the leading powerhouse? Show me a racing game that looks better.
Airbus Jr
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Yoboman
Member
Forza will probably look better when unveiled
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Business
Member
For starters, I think with the clouds and light we saw moving they are saying the game has real time, non pre baked lighting. If that's the case I don't see how this will run now on PS4 if GT Sport couldn't do it.
ethomaz
Banned
It was probably the most visual impressive game of the show.
Most things saw in GT demo for PS5 can't be done in PS4.
Nope.
Most things saw in GT demo for PS5 can't be done in PS4.
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