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(look at that hair!)

I don't know why, but that picture makes me giggle like an idiot.
 
Wow... great episode. Starbuck is back, Sol is back, Baltar is nearly back, Lee is back. I'm guessing it was a flashbang at the end, though the goodbyes were pretty sincere.

And Felix... he thinks what he's doing is right, but you can see the doubt in his actions. He's (unknowning, but he is responsible for the conflict) ordered the President's execution - I don't think it'll happen, but I imagine the people will need to revolt against that. He cut off the President's communication - again, already overstepping his power.

I love it!
 
Fantastic episode, the best since the escape from New Caprica. The tension was there throughout the entire show.

You know the writers have something good going when you can sympathize with both sides of the conflict.

Gotta hope that old Gaeta is back. He was my favorite character, but the past season or so they've neutered him with the Jesus Baltar crap. Also, old Starbuck is back, which is of course awesome.

I'm wondering at what point the bad cylons are going to come back and really send the situation to hell.

EDIT: Gaius is back, not Gaeta :lol
 
mikekennyb said:
I'm wondering at what point the bad cylons are going to come back and really send the situation to hell.
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I think they probably will after next week's episode. There are seven episodes left, so they can use one more to end the coup plot, the next three to end the Cylon Civil War plot, and the final three episodes to wrap up everything else.
 
StopMakingSense said:
FUCK, I needed that episode to give me some sort of release after all of that, even Starbuck shooting another fool in the head SOMETHING. Now im all wound up and wont be able to sit still for like an hour.
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Me too. My neighbor beside my condo called to ask if i was ok since i was screaming YES when Starbuck shot that guy.


I'm playing Mass Effect now, i am too pumped up to do anything else.
 
B.K. said:
I think they probably will after next week's episode. There are seven episodes left, so they can use one more to end the coup plot, the next three to end the Cylon Civil War plot, and the final three episodes to wrap up everything else.
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Still don't get why the other Cylons wouldn't just cut their losses at this point. They have the 12 colonies. Why spend all their time chasing them down at this point?
 
Freshmaker said:
Still don't get why the other Cylons wouldn't just cut their losses at this point. They have the 12 colonies. Why spend all their time chasing them down at this point?
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Because they have fear that the humans will go off into space and grow in numbers after teaching generation upon generation that the cylons drove them to the brink of extinction and that those children would then go off into the start to hunt the cylons down and kill them.

Pretty much summing up their logical reason as given in Exodus.
 
Phoenix said:
Because they have fear that the humans will go off into space and grow in numbers after teaching generation upon generation that the cylons drove them to the brink of extinction and that those children would then go off into the start to hunt the cylons down and kill them.

Pretty much summing up their logical reason as given in Exodus.
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Yeah, but they've dithered on that point multiple times. At this point it'd take the human race several hundred years at best to recover. Plenty of time for them to build up their forces.

Seems like they're doing it for the sake of having something to do.
 
~Kinggi~ said:
I think he might be coming back. Think about it. All this upheaval in the ship forces him to get out of his cult sanctuary and actually do something other than talk into the microphone.
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I'm really hoping that you're right. I do think you are though, there's way too much unresolved stuff with head six to just let that disappear or be wasted on the almost comic relief character he is now. WHERE THE FUCK IS HEAD SIX?!?!? Or head baltar for that matter. I'm going to be so pissed off if there's weird shit like this that's left hanging. Not necessarily unexplained, I don't expect everything to be explained to the tee, but at least addressed properly.
 
Drozmight said:
I'm convinced Admiral Adama will die.

He's their Moses and Moses never made it to the promise land... so...
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Actually I think that's more Rosland's role - and if the prophecy's still mean ANYTHING anymore, she's not supposed to live to see the promise land.
 
Phoenix said:
Actually I think that's more Rosland's role - and if the prophecy's still mean ANYTHING anymore, she's not supposed to live to see the promise land.
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I can't remember, is Rosland the only important character on that ship heading over to the cylon ship? If so, maybe Gaeta really will get her. (it's always chaffed my thighs how she's even lived this long, but I guess it doesn't matter since it seems the prophecies where full of it or at least interpreted way wrong).
 
NimbusD said:
I can't remember, is Rosland the only important character on that ship heading over to the cylon ship? If so, maybe Gaeta really will get her. (it's always chaffed my thighs how she's even lived this long, but I guess it doesn't matter since it seems the prophecies where full of it or at least interpreted way wrong).
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Besides, uh, Baltar, Starbuck, Lee, Tyrol, one of the Sharons, yeah, only important character on that Raptor.
 
Phoenix said:
Because they have fear that the humans will go off into space and grow in numbers after teaching generation upon generation that the cylons drove them to the brink of extinction and that those children would then go off into the start to hunt the cylons down and kill them.
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In other words "All of this has happened before and will happen again." I guess, like the humans they are trying to break that trend. Probably wont work.

StopMakingSense said:
Besides, uh, Baltar, Starbuck, Lee, Tyrol, one of the Sharons, yeah, only important character on that Raptor.
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Actually only Baltar, Roslin and the eight are on the raptor. Lee, Kara and Tyrol went out the way they came in. It happened so fast, I missed this fact on my first watch too.
 
JayDubya said:
Robot rape doesn't count. [/devil'sadvocate]
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Unless they are ALL cylons... Cylons raping cylons... dum dum (dumb?) dummmmmmmm. We'll have to wait and see.
 
I finally catched up. Awesome, awesome episode, one of the best in a long time. I loved Kara's return to form, akimbo Tigh and Baltar revealing himself as a kind-of-a-self-preserving bastard (again). This is what Battlestar Galactica should be. And space battles, but something tell's me we'll get a big one soon, we are long overdue.

Big-E said:
HOLY FUCK. That was too awesome. Starbuck with the headshot was pure badass and Adama saying that he was going to come for them all was just, wow. I hope every single one of those fuckers is thrown out an airlock. I also hope that Zarek and Gaeta get hung, drawn and quartered and Roslin paints the hull of Colonial One red with their blood.
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This. THIS. Gaeta and Zarek will pay dearly.

Ghost said:
Am I the only one rooting for Gaeta? Everything he's said was 100% true. Adama has abused his power, over ruled those elected to make decisions time and time again, when he was furthering the search for earth it was just about acceptable, now he's just over ruling the will of the people with his own for no greater purpose. Frak him. I'll be gutted when he eventually takes the ship back.
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I think io9 made a great editorial about Gaeta's arch and why and how he is such an ambiguous character. I hate him, but at the same time I can't help but think "damn kid, you really got the rough end of the deal". Why Is Gaeta So Bad?

Edit: Racetrack, you used to be cool :_(
 
joshcryer said:
They only unboxed one of her line... remember when they took the rebel Cylon ship to where she was boxed? The main resresurection hub?
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Specifically the one whom had been killing herself over and over again.
 
Ghost said:
Am I the only one rooting for Gaeta? Everything he's said was 100% true. Adama has abused his power, over ruled those elected to make decisions time and time again, when he was furthering the search for earth it was just about acceptable, now he's just over ruling the will of the people with his own for no greater purpose. Frak him. I'll be gutted when he eventually takes the ship back.
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I'm rooting for Gaeta to come to his senses, sure. Otherwise, regardless of what abuses you think Adama is guilty of, starting a full-scale mutiny when there's less than 40000 members of humanity remaining in the most fragile of environments, the vaccuum of space, I hardly see how Gaeta has offered a better alternative to Adama's "abuses".

It does make for damn fine TV though. So, thank you, Gaeta.
 
I don't have any sympathy for Gaeta after he lied to get Baltar fried when he knew damn well that Baltar couldn't have done much more than he did. Especially after what was revealed with the webisodes. He's lost.
 
I think io9 made a great editorial about Gaeta's arch and why and how he is such an ambiguous character. I hate him, but at the same time I can't help but think "damn kid, you really got the rough end of the deal". Why Is Gaeta So Bad?
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Thanks for the link, really like that article, though I would have titled it 'Is Gaeta so bad?' :P

You can argue over his methods but what other option did he have? With no Roslin, Adama wouldn't listen to anyone from the elected government, so the military course of action was the only one to take, and mutiny is the only military course of action. Gaeta is still totally right, the fleet can't trust the cylons and shouldn't be looking to set up a new home with them.

kaching said:
I'm rooting for Gaeta to come to his senses, sure. Otherwise, regardless of what abuses you think Adama is guilty of, starting a full-scale mutiny when there's less than 40000 members of humanity remaining in the most fragile of environments, the vaccuum of space, I hardly see how Gaeta has offered a better alternative to Adama's "abuses".

It does make for damn fine TV though. So, thank you, Gaeta.
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Adamas abuses are based around the fact that he believes only his opinion matters and everyone else can go to hell. And when it goes to shit, he doesn't take responsibility, case in point, Earth. They wouldn't even have been looking for Earth if it wasn't for Adamas change of heart, now they found it and his reaction? A few tears, a phony suicide conversation and "Ah well, lets team up with the Cylons and find a new home instead." Where's the guilt over all the military action he forced on the fleet to find what is in fact, a total dead end? Where's the humility from the man who argued with and imprisoned Roslin detractors only to find out they were right all along and their dying leader lead them to a dead planet?

For all Adamas proposed 'greatness', he's lead the fleet to nothing but pain, and through it all he's listened to no one (bar Roslin) and has shown no respect for the 39950 remaining humans we never see.



Obviously I realise the show will most likely take a turn for the happier and he will be vindicated, I'm just looking at it from the point of view of what we've seen and what the show wants us to think the outlook is for humanity


Also, I know it's only because this show is so awesome that I can actually experience it apparently from a totally different point of view to the rest of you, so <3 BSG.
 
Earth was needed to unite the people in a time of desperate need. Both Adama and Roslin both feel guilty for leading them to nowhere but now ain't the time to just wither and die in space. Zarek has always been in it for himself so the fact that Gaeta wanted him to lead the dictatorship proves that he is only in it for himself. Retrofitting ships with improved technology is not overstepping. Gaeta proceeding with executions for trumped up charges of treason and ordering the destruction of a ship carrying the president of the colonies is gross insubordination and treason and is much worse than anthing Roslin or Adama have done.
 
LTTP: Holy fuck. Awesome episode

The shot of Saul and Adama with their weapons at the end was glorious. "It's been an honor to serve with you my friend"

FUCKKK :(
 
Big-E said:
Earth was needed to unite the people in a time of desperate need. Both Adama and Roslin both feel guilty for leading them to nowhere but now ain't the time to just wither and die in space.
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Bingo. It's usually never about the destination and more about the journey. People just needed the hope that there was something to look forward to, so they had some reason to want to survive the journey. That was very evident during the depression episode a few weeks back when everything fell apart once they say their hope had been shattered.

What they (the human race) need now is a new plan to unite them again. When all is said and done, what is Gaeta going to offer that Adama didn't? How will be stop the human race from becoming extinct? Where will he take them? How will he fight the remaining cylons - both in the fleet and outside - now that he's either imprisoned or executed a large chunk of the military doing what was essentially their job.... just look at all the dead bodies in the halls of this episode. What do you think the death toll was? 1%, 2% of the human fucking race, all because of a grudge against Adama seeking peace instead of war, against an enemy that now wants also peace?

What was the right thing for Adama to do - kill an enemy that comes in peace? And those soldiers that beat the cylons within the fleet - and their families - are they also the people you're siding with? Those in the upper tier of Gaeta's rebellion, that look forward to raping Sharon? The same Sharon instrumental in freeing New Caprica, and has proved loyal dozens of times over?

So, no, I wasn't "rooting for Gaeta".
 
PARANO1A said:
Bingo. It's usually never about the destination and more about the journey. People just needed the hope that there was something to look forward to, so they had some reason to want to survive the journey. That was very evident during the depression episode a few weeks back when everything fell apart once they say their hope had been shattered.

What they (the human race) need now is a new plan to unite them again. When all is said and done, what is Gaeta going to offer that Adama didn't? How will be stop the human race from becoming extinct? Where will he take them? How will he fight the remaining cylons - both in the fleet and outside - now that he's either imprisoned or executed a large chunk of the military doing what was essentially their job.... just look at all the dead bodies in the halls of this episode. What do you think the death toll was? 1%, 2% of the human fucking race, all because of a grudge against Adama seeking peace instead of war, against an enemy that now wants also peace?

What was the right thing for Adama to do - kill an enemy that comes in peace? And those soldiers that beat the cylons within the fleet - and their families - are they also the people you're siding with? Those in the upper tier of Gaeta's rebellion, that look forward to raping Sharon? The same Sharon instrumental in freeing New Caprica, and has proved loyal dozens of times over?

So, no, I wasn't "rooting for Gaeta".
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I think that's the biggest difference at the end of the day. Adama and co do what they have to preserve the human race. Gaeta and co are just bitter about what came before and aren't thinking big picture. What would happen after the coup? Clean the halls, start fighting with cyclons AGAIN?
 
PARANO1A said:
Bingo. It's usually never about the destination and more about the journey. People just needed the hope that there was something to look forward to, so they had some reason to want to survive the journey. That was very evident during the depression episode a few weeks back when everything fell apart once they say their hope had been shattered.

What they (the human race) need now is a new plan to unite them again. When all is said and done, what is Gaeta going to offer that Adama didn't? How will be stop the human race from becoming extinct? Where will he take them? How will he fight the remaining cylons - both in the fleet and outside - now that he's either imprisoned or executed a large chunk of the military doing what was essentially their job.... just look at all the dead bodies in the halls of this episode. What do you think the death toll was? 1%, 2% of the human fucking race, all because of a grudge against Adama seeking peace instead of war, against an enemy that now wants also peace?

What was the right thing for Adama to do - kill an enemy that comes in peace? And those soldiers that beat the cylons within the fleet - and their families - are they also the people you're siding with? Those in the upper tier of Gaeta's rebellion, that look forward to raping Sharon? The same Sharon instrumental in freeing New Caprica, and has proved loyal dozens of times over?

So, no, I wasn't "rooting for Gaeta".
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Big difference between Peace and amnesty, Adama gave them the latter. Also a big difference between letting them come to earth to avoid a fight for the final 4, and becoming permanent allies, Adama was even open to the idea of making them Citizens ffs. You talk about 1 or 2% of the human race that might have died in the mutiny, what about the 99.9% That died without ever firing a shot?

I'm not saying revenge against the cylons is the answer (should have just killed them all with the virus, won't retread that argument), but giving them amnesty and striking new deals with them is totally disrespecting all those that are dead. And if that's what the fleet think, and what the people elected to govern the fleet think, then Adama should back the fuck up and listen for once.


I think that's the biggest difference at the end of the day. Adama and co do what they have to preserve the human race. Gaeta and co are just bitter about what came before and aren't thinking big picture. What would happen after the coup? Clean the halls, start fighting with cyclons AGAIN?
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What did his 'big picture' thinking get them? Nothing. There's no guarantee his new big picture will get them anything either. And I dont think Gaeta wants a new war with the Cylons, he wants them captured to use as leverage against the basestar, if he'd wanted the cylons dead he could have just nuked them already.
 
PARANO1A said:
Bingo. It's usually never about the destination and more about the journey. People just needed the hope that there was something to look forward to, so they had some reason to want to survive the journey. That was very evident during the depression episode a few weeks back when everything fell apart once they say their hope had been shattered.

What they (the human race) need now is a new plan to unite them again. When all is said and done, what is Gaeta going to offer that Adama didn't? How will be stop the human race from becoming extinct? Where will he take them? How will he fight the remaining cylons - both in the fleet and outside - now that he's either imprisoned or executed a large chunk of the military doing what was essentially their job.... just look at all the dead bodies in the halls of this episode. What do you think the death toll was? 1%, 2% of the human fucking race, all because of a grudge against Adama seeking peace instead of war, against an enemy that now wants also peace?

What was the right thing for Adama to do - kill an enemy that comes in peace? And those soldiers that beat the cylons within the fleet - and their families - are they also the people you're siding with? Those in the upper tier of Gaeta's rebellion, that look forward to raping Sharon? The same Sharon instrumental in freeing New Caprica, and has proved loyal dozens of times over?

So, no, I wasn't "rooting for Gaeta".
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that pretty much sums up my thoughts, the "good" cylons have proven themselves loyal countless amounts of times. When the resurrection ship was destroyed, they stopped being an immortal enemy, and became vulnerable like everyone else, they want to survive just as the humans do. Hating on the cylons now, comes from pure ignorance, it's a lot like racism.

Part of the current administrations problem, is that they have been too secretive to the people. If the entire fleet knew everything the command knew, their would be no reason for this mutiny. Maybe forcing Cylon technology was just a bad idea, the government should have understood the people would be upset about it. Zarek has always been a leader that believes violence is the only way to solve problems. People forget that he was once a terrorist, and still is. Gaeta is killing tons of innocent people, just because a cylon on New Caprica tricked him? The Cylons were in a much different position at that time.

it will be interesting to see how things turn out. I think Adma will re-take the ship, but to get the peoples good faith be forced to exile the current cylons to their base ship. The series will end in an epic fight over the Human/Cylon Baby. That's why the Opera house was so important. The only thing I can't predict is Starbucks meaning in all this...that one is really up in the air.
 
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I'm not saying revenge against the cylons is the answer (should have just killed them all with the virus, won't retread that argument)
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I agree that they should have used the virus, but I don't agree with the mutiny. Is that messed up? Nah, I don't think so.

Prior to the Cylon Civil War they were one monolithic faction with only a handful of individuals worthy of distinction, and in any event, they're all machines anyway, at least insofar as the colonials and the audience knows at this point.

Post Cylon Civil War they've got their own ragtag fleet and a couple more warships allied against your common enemy seems pretty prudent.
 
Ghost said:
Adamas abuses are based around the fact that he believes only his opinion matters and everyone else can go to hell. And when it goes to shit, he doesn't take responsibility, case in point, Earth. They wouldn't even have been looking for Earth if it wasn't for Adamas change of heart, now they found it and his reaction? A few tears, a phony suicide conversation and "Ah well, lets team up with the Cylons and find a new home instead." Where's the guilt over all the military action he forced on the fleet to find what is in fact, a total dead end? Where's the humility from the man who argued with and imprisoned Roslin detractors only to find out they were right all along and their dying leader lead them to a dead planet?

For all Adamas proposed 'greatness', he's lead the fleet to nothing but pain, and through it all he's listened to no one (bar Roslin) and has shown no respect for the 39950 remaining humans we never see.
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I'm not saying Adama is sinless, though I don't really see how you've managed to trivialize the extent they've tried to show his guilt and doubts, as well as his appreciation and respect for those around him. Do they need to dedicate a whole hour to Adama agonizing and kissing up to everyone for you to believe it? He's a leader under intense duress, and unless he truly decides to lay down and give up, he hasn't got a lot of time to dwell on his sins. That's what they've been trying to show with Roslin's breakdown over the past few episodes. That's the contrast of what it really means to take responsibility as a leader, not to simply give up after you make a mistake.

But here's my point that you missed in my earlier post - what is Gaeta offering that's BETTER? Realistically, what CAN he offer? It's all well and good to say Adama has to answer for his abuses, so what's Gaeta's excuse? He is most certainly catching up very fast to at least a couple of Adama's abuses - deception and body count. Where's the humility from Gaeta for that?

Gaeta has lost it. He's only concerned about ideology, not practicality. And there's quite simply nothing he can offer the fleet that's any better than what Adama/Roslin did. He might trade some of the abuses they committed for others, that's all. Humanity is in the direst of straits and Gaeta simply isn't helping.
 
yep, this last episode was awesometastic, I wonder who dies next week.

I hope it's Felix ... my hate for him has sky-rocketed :lol ... also I wish Baltar would do something, but then again he's always like that.
 
hateradio said:
yep, this last episode was awesometastic, I wonder who dies next week.

I hope it's Felix ... my hate for him has sky-rocketed :lol ... also I wish Baltar would do something, but then again he's always like that.
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Same here.
 
Friday night's episode was almost too nerve racking, I was getting pretty uncomfortable just watching it. It better be for the biggest payoff in television history, good lord.
 
Unfortunately for Gaeta-haters [myself included ;__;]:
He is definitely alive until the second to last episode, Islanded in a Stream of Stars. I don't know if he dies or lives, but he is definitely alive at that point.
 
Sai-kun said:
Unfortunately for Gaeta-haters [myself included ;__;]:
He is definitely alive until the second to last episode, Islanded in a Stream of Stars. I don't know if he dies or lives, but he is definitely alive at that point.
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I saw that too, trying to figure out what it might mean...I have a strange feeling that the fleet is split in 2, maybe even have the "good guys" of the mutiny (adama and gang) be limited to only the Basestar, while the rest of the fleet moves on. With a final confrontation near the end. How else would Gaeta still be alive???

No one read that!!!!
 
Lonestar said:
I saw that too, trying to figure out what it might mean...I have a strange feeling that the fleet is split in 2, maybe even have the "good guys" of the mutiny (adama and gang) be limited to only the Basestar, while the rest of the fleet moves on. With a final confrontation near the end. How else would Gaeta still be alive???

No one read that!!!!
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hopefully it's Gaeta just barely alive in the brig of the Basestar, with an 8 to watch over him! :D
 
Luckily, there are a plethora of shows to watch during the week nowadays, so I don't have to think about waiting for BSG.

24
Heroes (just for kicks)
Lost
The Office
 
SephCast said:
Luckily, there are a plethora of shows to watch during the week nowadays, so I don't have to think about waiting for BSG.

24
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Lost
The Office
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Yeah, and it works out nicely through the week, with Monday's (24), Wednesdays (Lost) and Friday's (BSG)
 
Sai-kun said:
Unfortunately for Gaeta-haters [myself included ;__;]:
He is definitely alive until the second to last episode, Islanded in a Stream of Stars. I don't know if he dies or lives, but he is definitely alive at that point.
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Got a link? I like spoilers.
 
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