Psycho_Mantis
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you have no idea what you're talking about.
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Bayonetta 2 off to a slow start in Japan [Update: Week 2 sales]
- Thread starter SomewhatGroovy
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you have no idea what you're talking about.
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The point is, Bayonetta 2 will never, ever see the light of day on a non - Nintendo platform. Given that it has bombed with Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo, it's unlikely there will be a3rd Bayonetta game ever.
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
Says the guy who thought the ps4 would outsell the ps3 in japan.
Psycho_Mantis
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that was before I realised how little support it would have and the extent of collapse of the console scene.
And people will never believe a developer on exclusivity, because there is a history of them lying.
Only time will provide proof either way, or the contract leaking.
So do you believe that W101 and Scalebound aren't exclusive to their respective platforms?
Punished_Snake
Member
Console games are doing great in Japan, right? PS4 is doing great in Japan, right? You don't know what are you talking about.
Meesh
Member
I have some hope though, a glimmer, that Bayo2 will acquire some popularity here in the west that warrants a third entry. I mean Xenoblade didn't do that well I don't think and yet we're getting a 3ds remake and a WiiU sequel.
frankie_baby
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That depends entirely on whatever contracts exist with Nintendo, I can't imagine they would've funded bayonetta 2 without having at the very least the right of first refusal on a hypothetical bayontta 3
I don't see why what I believe has anything to do with the post you quoted. The fact that developers do lie is not in anyway proof that they always lie.
You understand that it's the same developer right?
Yes.
Psycho_Mantis
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Did I say PS4 was doing great in Japan....no. You're blanket statements are meaningless. My reply was specifically in response to this blanket statement:
The fact is that it varies on each game. There are some games that do really well, some games that perform okay, some that bomb and all of this depends on their budget, previous entry sales, expectations etc.......do you get what I'm saying? To say that most console games in Japan are bombing is silly.
If you believe there is possibility that they are lying about exclusivity, then I just wanted get your viewpoint on their other games. That's it.
Projectjustice
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I just found out that this report is only showing sales for 1 day and not a weeks worth. IGN and the rest of the media just loves to attack Nintendo in every way possible. Even with dishonest reporting.
And you also understand that this particular developer doesn't have a history of lying? You also get that each and every bit of evidence put forward by this developer states that it will remain as exclusive as a Nintendo first party title?
I think they're both lying, and correct. I think they have no idea what the contract between Nintendo and Sega says, and I think it'll never come to PS4/XBO. But what I think is irrelevant.
It's been stated multiple times, in this very thread, and it's glossed over each time...
ninjablade
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yes but what's stopping sega from trying to cash in on a easy port, by calling it bayonetta black, adding bosses, changing the story a bit, upgrading the graphics, i really don't know what the contract is, and i really doubt nintendo went all out on securing such a weak franchise. in all honesty i really don't care about bayonetta 1 or 2, i'm just arguing anything is possible.
You mean, what's stopping Sega from making a new Bayonetta game? That's the dumbest post I've seen.
Just get a Wii U bro, then you'll be able to play it.
Projectjustice
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Someone needs to edited the thread title.
Tyrant Rave
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You spend a lot of time posting in Bayonetta threads for someone who doesn't care about the franchise
So you are saying that sometimes devs lie about exclusivity and sometimes they don't. Sometimes games stay exclusive, sometimes they don't........
What we know is that Nintendo funded, published and marketed the game. PG has no say, since the IP is owned by Sega. Sega didn't do shit other than being an "advisor", they don't even publish the game or even co-publishing it. Kamiya said people need to ask Nintendo if they wanted a port on other consoles. That is a huge hint as to who has a say about Bayonetta 2.
Projectjustice
Banned
Trademark laws?
The fact that nintendo paid for the game to get made.
Uhmm, i think you actually do care about the franchise considering your post history. Otherwise, why are you commenting in this thread in the first place?
Nintendo didn't secure the franchise, they secured Bayonetta 2.
shinra-bansho
Member
It's been stated multiple times in the thread that it's two days of tracking, that the sell-through for those two days of tracking is in the realm of 60%, leaving 20,000+ units in the retail channel, and that for a game like Bayonetta the sales are going to be highly front-loaded so it doesn't particularly make a huge difference.
Sales curves are not linear.
If it had high levels of sell-through and/or a game/franchise/genre that one would anticipate more of a slow burn, then it would be of particular note. But it's isn't and it's not.
SEGA retains the intellectual property rights, not that it matters really considering no one is likely to make a Bayonetta 3 I imagine.
frankie_baby
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Without knowing the details of the contracts you can't say that
Punished_Snake
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Sorry, but your shallow reply that "you have no idea what you're talking about." without explanation is silly and immature, and it gave me the impression that you have no clue or don't know what are you saying. It's a fact that Japan gaming industry is declining and unless you game is MGS, Yakuza, FF, Pokemon, Monster Hunter or some of the few big franchises in Japan, you are not going to sell well. Also, Japan play mostly on handheld systems nowadays and even big franchises like FF isn't doing as good as before. There is a lot of talk that FFXV is the last hope for home consoles (regarding sales), why is that I wonder?
You're right that we don't know if they secured the franchise, but we do know they at least secured Bayo 2.
Sega own the IP.
TyrantGuardian
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A person with a Ninja Gaiden avatar pretending not to care about Bayonetta. Now I've seen it all.
Please don't do this. It's ridiculous. No one is attacking Nintendo, and the report specifically clarified that it was about day 1 sales. The game is still likely selling relatively poorly depending on what the investment was. Most sales are heavily front-loaded and if you're expecting a significant boost over the days right after launch date, in most cases you would be mistaken. There's no reason to assume this to be an exception. Hopefully the game will sell better in the west, but I honestly doubt it. At least the EU First Print sold out like hot cakes, I suppose.
shinra-bansho
Member
Destiny sold 3x as many units on an installed base 60% smaller in its first tracking week.
These sales aren't the result of the declined console market [alone]. They aren't a result of the tracking period. It's the Wii U, and Bayonetta, it's an inactive installed base, it's poor audience fit, it's not a strong enough brand.
frankie_baby
Member
True but that still doesn't mean Nintendo don't have exclusive rights to the franchise, I'm not saying that they do I'm just saying we don't know without seeing the contracts
you guys are MISSING THE FACTS bayonnetta 2's reported sales only count for 44 hours 49 minutes 39 seconds it's not a full week
next week bayonetta 2's sales will probably increase because of it being available for a full 7-days
it's not fair to compare to the first game because ps3 and 360 are not wii u wii u have smaller install base than either of those machines
this is just the media being anti-nintendo and starting a war against good games and fun because xb1 and ps4 are bad machines you people just want the game without buying a wii u
next week bayonetta 2's sales will probably increase because of it being available for a full 7-days
it's not fair to compare to the first game because ps3 and 360 are not wii u wii u have smaller install base than either of those machines
this is just the media being anti-nintendo and starting a war against good games and fun because xb1 and ps4 are bad machines you people just want the game without buying a wii u
There's no way Nintendo would have some sort of eternal exclusivity to the franchise, while Sega retained the IP rights. It would be absurd for both parties. Sega would just sell the brand.
There won't be a Bayo 3 anyway, so this is kind of impossible to tell, as we'll never see the results, but the fact Nintendo didn't acquire the IP is blatant evidence that Sega had plans for the franchise post-2.
Psycho_Mantis
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This is funny. Tell how much you see Bayo 2 doing in the 7 days of tracking it will have next week. Bear in mind that the 360 SKU of Bayo alone did 60k+ in what 4 days.
Games like Bayonetta are front loaded. A few days of extra tracking will not change the situation significantly.
A game does not need to sell 800k+ to be selling well. A game can sell 100k and still be a success depending on its budget and how previous entries fared. My issue as I have said is you saying most console games are bombing in Japan which is simply incorrect.
Punished_Snake
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I tried to explain this in the media create thread, but they want to believe that the game has bombed, that's what important to them. The original Bayonetta sold much better in the west, and the sequel will too. It's too early to jump to conclusion.
Projectjustice
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How is that funny? Unless you can see the future I dont see how this even is a point at this time. When Bayo 2 next week sales come out then report it correctly then. IGN created a click bait headline and thats just a fact.
I agree, i was completely under the impression that those numbers was during a 7 day span until i looked a bit further. IGN story is misleading.
hey_it's_that_dog
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You should read shinra-bansho's posts on this page.
Psycho_Mantis
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Because its been said so many times in this thread and the media create one that a few extra days of tracking is not going to cause a massive upsurge in sales and take Bayo 2 out of the bomba status.
Also answer my question. I'm curious.