StarCreator
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The survey links are individualized so I can't share it. It was in the email that informed you that you were accepted into the alpha test.
You made it into the alpha test, so you could make that suggestion on your own.
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Beatmania IIDX INFINITAS (PC, JP-only) AlphaTest
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The survey links are individualized so I can't share it. It was in the email that informed you that you were accepted into the alpha test.
You made it into the alpha test, so you could make that suggestion on your own.
cj_iwakura
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Ah, didn't know how to enter the survey. Hopefully they don't frown on English replies.
The Bankslammer
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Official service has been launched. I'm installing now, but apparently it is a subscription-based paid service.
New thread worthy. I'll get on it in an hour or so if no one does. (Plz post in here so I know)
The Bankslammer
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A bit more info I've been gathering while the installation is still going on, lol.
So, 1598 yen (which evidently can be paid using either a credit card or Paseli, though I'm not sure if it will accept foreign cards) a month gets you the Basic Course. I'm not sure why it's the "Basic Course" or if there's any other Courses available because the link to info about payment on the Infinitas site is broken lol. But here's the song list.
Anyways launcher is asking me to buy the Basic Course before it'll even launch the game and I'm not even sure where exactly it wants me to buy it lol. But idk, for that song list with that price... I don't think I'm really feeling it. Might try, like, a month if I can figure it out though.
So, 1598 yen (which evidently can be paid using either a credit card or Paseli, though I'm not sure if it will accept foreign cards) a month gets you the Basic Course. I'm not sure why it's the "Basic Course" or if there's any other Courses available because the link to info about payment on the Infinitas site is broken lol. But here's the song list.
Anyways launcher is asking me to buy the Basic Course before it'll even launch the game and I'm not even sure where exactly it wants me to buy it lol. But idk, for that song list with that price... I don't think I'm really feeling it. Might try, like, a month if I can figure it out though.
I'd pay like ¥2000 for a month pass of PC Jubeat, even if the song list was shit
and they made cheaper-than-DJ Dao-controllers.
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
1600 yen a month for that? That's a huge no from me. Not even close to tempted, and it doesn't take much to tempt me with IIDX. Konami doing it wrong, as I knew they would.
StarCreator
Member
Foreign credit cards are a no-go. Your best bet outside of Japan is to charge Paseli with bitcash. You could try PMing colinp to see if he can still pick up codes for people.
You'll need a Japanese Konami ID to make this work also; Paseli features are locked if you made your account for most other regions.
I think I'm personally out for now also... The price seems reasonable to me, but I don't have enough free time to get the full value out of it.
You'll need a Japanese Konami ID to make this work also; Paseli features are locked if you made your account for most other regions.
I think I'm personally out for now also... The price seems reasonable to me, but I don't have enough free time to get the full value out of it.
Thats... extremely steep. It's like they figured people are going to save that much money by not going to arcades for a day or something.
That's not your competition Konami. Your competition are the slew of readily available and much cheaper rhythm games on PC, mobile and handhelds.
That's not your competition Konami. Your competition are the slew of readily available and much cheaper rhythm games on PC, mobile and handhelds.
StarCreator
Member
I think Konami is perfectly happy keeping their revenue centers in the arcade, personally. IIDX clearly makes enough money to warrant yearly refreshes still. This was never going to be a full arcade replacement because that gravy train is still flowing.
The Bankslammer
Member
When I saw the price, I figured that they would be targeting whales with the pitch of "hey you'd be spending a ton at the game center anyways" but... I mean, I don't know much about that demographic, but I'd think they'd need to provide a more comprehensive package to be convincing anyone at all. I wouldn't really think playing Sirius songs is going to sell many people.
Hopefully they at least start expanding the service and song list over time. That should be in the cards, no?
Ah, that'd probably be why the payment page is booting me. Well I have no attachment to my US ID at least, lol
Hopefully they at least start expanding the service and song list over time. That should be in the cards, no?
Ah, that'd probably be why the payment page is booting me. Well I have no attachment to my US ID at least, lol
I'm well aware. The thing is, the price point and songlist really makes this fall into a really bizarre niche target market.
Let's just cut out internationals out of the equation for now because it's obvious that outside of bending over backwards with workarounds, you're 'not supposed to be able to play' INFINITAS from outside Japanese timezone. What does that leave? The PC market in Japan, which 1) is small, 2) is statistically geographically closer to an arcade with COPULA than anywhere else in the world so it's not like their only option to play Beatmania, and 3) competing with a lot of other non-AC rhythm games, (including their own products like Jubeat iOS etc)
It's just... incredibly bizarre and seems to be hinging too much on hoping that people actually want to play Beatmania specifically (gameplay and tracklisting both). It kind of is teetering on 'why are they even bothering with a PC version' to be honest. If Konami comes out in a few months and says it's doing really well, I've got my crow seasoning ready.
unfortunately, you are wrong... people will pay big monaiz for konami games.
when a new IIDX iteration, a new update for SDVX, jubeat or reflec beat hits arcade, people line up for hours to get their hands on the games.
considering that people are paying 300yen for 3 songs IIDX is quite a thing and i think konami wont make it cheaper since they know that people will go nuts for their games.
i play when i go to east asia, i play the ipad version of jubeat and reflec beat, i dont have any intention of playing IIDX at home since i dont have awesome loudspeakers, nor a huge screen which is fast enough for IIDX. (i tried IIDX16 from the ps2 on my screen but it looks like ass, i tried an emulator, but fiddling around with settings makes me puke)
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
I think this hits the nail on the head precisely. "Why even bother". I don't think Konami realizes what they have on their hands with IIDX. It's genuinely a hobby in itself, something that has a cult following the world over. Why are they limiting themselves so much, and doing it so wrong? Licensing issues I guess?
What you say is true, but it's still a big leap to apply your logic to this new subscription pricing model. I can totally understand lining up at the arcade and spending a few hundred yen (also, aren't machines 100 yen? Sounds like you're at the wrong arcade). Or dropping $200 on a Konamistyle limited edition. I've got most of them myself, I've spent thousands on this hobby.
But paying 1,600 yen a month for this meager handful of songs? Total waste of money. Anyone signing up to this has more money than sense or just isn't aware of the alternatives.
edit - as far as I know they haven't even sorted out proper controller support, you have to use JoytoKey.
StarCreator
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This hasn't been true for at least a few years. Tax hikes forced arcades to charge more per credit to break even; Paseli is, in part, a solution to the problem of how to charge someone more than 100 yen but less than 200 yen. As of late, IIDX also sells premium add-ons that increase the cost of a credit in exchange for bonuses like being able to continue a credit after failing a song. People who make use of these are probably spending 300 yen a credit easily.
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
Yeah, it's been a while so I feared that might be the case. I haven't been back in too long, it's been 8 years now. But flights to Japan are less expensive than I thought, so that's something!
its the nintendo/apple logic.
stay in business dont get into the lower ranks of music games.
there are other chinese and korean music games such as dj max,ez2dj and two of this chinese music games which i have forgot the name (saw them in taiwan and singapore along with bemani machines)
so why bother?
plus people have been paying for years 500yen for a 4-song-pack (jubeat and reflec beat) so a subscription model like this wont kill of the fanbase. i dont want to defend konami, but why sell their games for less, if there are enough people who want to pay huge to get their hands on?
i wont dip, but i have been a steady follower of jubeat and reflec beat home editions. i will stay, since i love this game like on day 1 when i found them in arcade/ipad.
i havent played IIDX since 2008.
i occasionally played it in arcades, but somehow i cant get into it anymore... i still love the music and i also check out the newest tracks on youtube/remywiki, but i wont spend a dime on those games as hardcore as i did on jubeat and reflec beat.
gotta love prop and VOLZZA.
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
I love IIDX and still play almost every day because no other rhythm game has that feel. Nothing else feels like you're actually "playing" music in quite the same way. Anyway, whatever floats your boat!
I think it's important to focus less on the actual price and more on what you're getting for that price. I'm not complaining about the 1,600 yen price point, I think that's an OK price for a monthly IIDX subscription. I'm complaining about what you get for that. It's fucking nothing! I might as well fire up the PS2 and play that instead.
In fact, considering I'm paying a subscription for this and not actually owning anything, the song list should be even bigger than a regular home release. Like ~200 songs. Again, I'm more than happy to pay $16-20 a month for access to a proper PC IIDX game. But 42 songs? Nothing from 9th, 10th, Distorted, Gold, Troopers, or anything beyond Sirius? Get fucked Konami, that is a complete ripoff. That's not the Nintendo / Apple model, that's the Square Enix model.
glaringradio
Member
It does sort of feel like this has just been spunked out the door so Konami can go "well, we tried!" whenever anybody seriously quizzes them about IIDX in the home.
Such a pile of crap
Such a pile of crap
I mean, the client runs like a dream, even without controller/peripheral support.
It's really the price point/content ratio.
Like you compare AC vs non-AC entries of other rhythm game franchises, and they're appropriately scaled (even Jubeat), and then you compare Copula to INFINITAS and it's 'uh, what, really?'.
Gonna echo the sentiment. I think the price point is okay. The amount of content isn't.
cj_iwakura
Member
Doesn't seem that bad to me, especially if you haven't played Sirius(and I haven't).
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
I hate to keep hammering away on this, but it doesn't have all the Sirius songs, could have way more songs from previous styles, and by all accounts it doesn't even have proper controller support. It's a pretty weak effort IMO.
StarCreator
Member
We could just keep using this thread too.
djplaeskool
Member
Will have to run this through its paces when i get home from work.
Does Paseli charging work with WebMoney, or only BitCash?
I think i still have some WM credit to spare from PSO2 (now that I can get PSO2 AC via Google Play).
Does Paseli charging work with WebMoney, or only BitCash?
I think i still have some WM credit to spare from PSO2 (now that I can get PSO2 AC via Google Play).
cj_iwakura
Member
Well, when you consider that a full CS version costs around $70...
djplaeskool
Member
After some poking at it, Paseli is (jp) CC or BitCash only
I have my sources though.
Was able to get everything rolling.
Not sure why, but I seemed to struggle with the timing a little bit more this time around as compared to the alpha. Was able to rein it back in, however. Hopefully they push some more tracks into it soon. The selection is pretty paltry out of the gate.
I have my sources though.
Was able to get everything rolling.
Not sure why, but I seemed to struggle with the timing a little bit more this time around as compared to the alpha. Was able to rein it back in, however. Hopefully they push some more tracks into it soon. The selection is pretty paltry out of the gate.
The Bankslammer
Member
A bit late on this, but Konami's unveiled they're working on an official Premium Controller for use with Infinitas. At the very least it's cool that they're making it, and it looks solid, but I'm not particularly optimistic it'll be competitively priced enough to tempt anyone away from an unofficial USB controller. We'll see.
Also seems they've added purchasable tickets to Infinitas for a mode that allows you to participate in KAC.
idk how international shipping from konamistyle even works but i assume that'd be a pain in the ass in and of itself lol
Also seems they've added purchasable tickets to Infinitas for a mode that allows you to participate in KAC.
Teknopathetic
Member
Honestly...looks nicer than the DAO stuff, design wise.
Well you would hope by now they would be able to produce a better official controller than DAO.
Official Jubeat controller and home release pls.
LightningXCE
Member
Yeah no kidding.
The turntable seems.. Really far away from they keys though, doesn't it?
Teknopathetic
Member
"The turntable seems.. Really far away from they keys though, doesn't it?"
Looks like Arcade spacing? Or it just might be an optical illusion because it doesn't have a plate under the turntable. The turntable doesn't look quite that large.
Looks like Arcade spacing? Or it just might be an optical illusion because it doesn't have a plate under the turntable. The turntable doesn't look quite that large.
beatdowniidx
Member
looks like you need a konamiID to buy one
StarCreator
Member
New songs added for January have been announced. You have to have an active Infinitas subscription during January to unlock these songs; once this is done, they're yours to keep. If you don't get a subscription during January, the songs are unobtainable unless they are distributed again in the future.
The five named songs are:
The five named songs are:
- AIR RAID FROM THA UNDAGROUND / GUHROOVY
- Anisakis -somatic mutation type "Forza" / 朱雀
- Evans / DJ YOSHITAKA
- THE SAFARI / Lion Musashi
- V / TAKA
The Bankslammer
Member
So like PS+ or GwG, huh? Glad I haven't bought in yet I suppose, lol.
Folks on zenius-i-vanisher seem to have identified 5 more songs in the background, so it's at least 10 songs for January. That's not... awful? $1/song is a decent standard for rhythm game add-ons imo, with anything up to $2 usually being... okay. So if I'm thinking about it like a, uh, forced monthly song pack... it could be worse I suppose. Assuming they keep up the quantity.
All this talk is just making me wish they stuck with the song pack model they use for their mobile versions, lol. I'm still not sold, and this just feels like it'll make Infinitas a tougher sell for latecomers. Nobody likes content they can permanently (or indefinitely) miss out on.
Folks on zenius-i-vanisher seem to have identified 5 more songs in the background, so it's at least 10 songs for January. That's not... awful? $1/song is a decent standard for rhythm game add-ons imo, with anything up to $2 usually being... okay. So if I'm thinking about it like a, uh, forced monthly song pack... it could be worse I suppose. Assuming they keep up the quantity.
All this talk is just making me wish they stuck with the song pack model they use for their mobile versions, lol. I'm still not sold, and this just feels like it'll make Infinitas a tougher sell for latecomers. Nobody likes content they can permanently (or indefinitely) miss out on.
Teknopathetic
Member
Anisakis and Evans is almost worth the sub.
Well, that's... underhanded.
But actually a much better model than swapping tracks in and out, heh. It works out as its own loyalty program in a way.
If the rate keeps up, it's 60 tracks per year added to the game. Or 120 if it's indeed two updates for 10 per month. Actually not bad at all.
But actually a much better model than swapping tracks in and out, heh. It works out as its own loyalty program in a way.
If the rate keeps up, it's 60 tracks per year added to the game. Or 120 if it's indeed two updates for 10 per month. Actually not bad at all.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
I'm not against paying a monthly fee to get new songs, but when you say they're mine to keep... What happens when I stop subscribing? It still requires one to log in to even access any of it, right?
Honestly, if konami did this thing right, I would gladly pay hundreds... Shit, thousands for a near-complete IIDX experience.
Honestly, if konami did this thing right, I would gladly pay hundreds... Shit, thousands for a near-complete IIDX experience.
StarCreator
Member
So I've belatedly decided to buy into this (unfortunately too late to play the KAC songs, so I'll already have an incomplete song list .-.). I've charged my account with Paseli but I'm having trouble figuring out how to purchase the Infinitas subscription. Can someone help? Trying to get this done before I hop on a plane in the morning and so much stuff has to be done ughhhh
StarCreator
Member
Yep, thanks! Got a game in, will mess with it more after I get home and have a controller to play with instead of my laptop keyboard.
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