gutter_trash
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I would still vote for him
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Because Canada: Justin Trudeau kayaks over to a family to discuss climate change
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Harrison Bergeron
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Trudeau is a great PR figurehead/marketing tool (domestically and to the world) representing a large sociopolitical demographic in Canadian society.
It's probably good for business and morale in the times of Trump. Not sure what to make of him as a political executivewhich should mean something since he's got a lot of power in Canada's Parliamentary system.
In any case, Canada is a hell of a challenge, small market, big geography, heavy regional cultural differences.
It's probably good for business and morale in the times of Trump. Not sure what to make of him as a political executivewhich should mean something since he's got a lot of power in Canada's Parliamentary system.
In any case, Canada is a hell of a challenge, small market, big geography, heavy regional cultural differences.
Never change gutter <3
While I can appreciate the general point of the article, its silly to expect countries to simply stop producing oil with a snap of their fingers. The point is to ween off oil, not to go cold turkey. The latter is not feasible by any metric - any politician who tried would be booted out immediately.
Certainly, Trudeau is very good at looking good, while I'm quite mixed on his actual performance. But no, i don't expect him to single handledly dismantle the canadian oil industry in a year.
Simon Belmont
Banned
It's just called a majority here
Sure they could, but why would they? PR is an issue that about 25% are passionate about and the rest eithe have a different horse or don't care.
Also unilaterally changing the voting system isn't something I'd imagine any party would do.
TheLostBigBoss
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The industry will always over-project their main product, just like oil companies have been projecting renewables to never take off in their future-casts.
And your middle source just said that peak oil can ben between 5-15 years off, with reasons to view a peak in the short term and a decline in global use by 2030's
Not to say that oil is dying, that's silly because we use it in so much product. I doubt oil demand will be growing until 2040, that's insanely optimistic.
Eppy Thatcher
God's had his chance.
Real life is frightening me with how much like a Hollywood movie everything is now - right up to the makeup and casting choices.
Super kind and intelligent do-good Hero character you're supposed to love:
Lets cast a handsome AF fit dude who's old enough to have clout and be believed when he speaks on a subject but young enough to fit in with college aged kids and have the same kinds of conversations to a different audience than the elected reps in his govt.
Dopey but dangerous bad guy who's out for himself and willing to ruin everything to get his:
Lets cast the grossest blob of a human being we can find. He should be an established conflict starter who is known for appealing to the worst in people and being openly abrasive and insulting. Also orange.
Super kind and intelligent do-good Hero character you're supposed to love:
Lets cast a handsome AF fit dude who's old enough to have clout and be believed when he speaks on a subject but young enough to fit in with college aged kids and have the same kinds of conversations to a different audience than the elected reps in his govt.
Dopey but dangerous bad guy who's out for himself and willing to ruin everything to get his:
Lets cast the grossest blob of a human being we can find. He should be an established conflict starter who is known for appealing to the worst in people and being openly abrasive and insulting. Also orange.
Thats my PM
This fucking this
Escape Goat
Member
I'm glad our president doesn't go shirtless.
There it is. I knew his name would pop up in this thread. LOL
Was he wearing his Kelly & Ryan socks he got earlier that day?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyGCBqjQMvE
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I'd take Corbyn.
It's just called a majority here
Sure they could, but why would they? PR is an issue that about 25% are passionate about and the rest eithe have a different horse or don't care.
Also unilaterally changing the voting system isn't something I'd imagine any party would do.
I mean, I understand why they don't do it (I watched them sweep into power in 2015 when I still lived in Canada and it was awesome to see) but it also leaves the door open to another Conservative majority, which they probably wouldn't ever achieve under PR, since some sort of NDP/Liberal coalition seems a more likely outcome to me. FPTP pop. vote to seat count is wack.
Ah, I miss it already
Simon Belmont
Banned
Personally I prefer Governments to have mandates and be able to act on them. I don't want to spend a year without Government like Spain did. I'm not in favour of changing the voting system just to keep a certain party out of power. I think that's a particularly rich position for the 3rd place party to take.
gutter_trash
Banned
so much NDP salt in here
firehawk12
Subete no aware
When the Ontario Liberals are more left than you, you know you did something wrong.
Holundrian
Unconfirmed Member
Except that Trump is a hypocrite...?
Simon Belmont
Banned
When the Ontario Liberals are more left than you, you know you did something wrong.
You're talking about the Mulcair NDP, right?
Canada doesn't have an executive branch. The PM's job is to guide policy.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
The point is that at least Trump isn't a hypocrite. He's just evil. lol
Well, both of them to be honest. We saw how winning that centrist NDP strategy was last time.
It's like the most awkward time to be an NDP supporter. With the Alberta-BC dynamic taking place and how that fits with federal policy. How can you hold a consistent party position with this scenario.
Abstruse Moose
Member
I'd also need the UK's 1st round pick in this upcoming draft.
Simon Belmont
Banned
Something something Trudeau PR something something
We all know you would, gutter. We all know you would.
Simon Belmont
Banned
I think the only thing we haven't hit on Trudeau Bingo is someone saying he won't really legalize weed.
excelsiorlef
Member
He's in the pocket of big alcohol maaaaan.
Buba Big Guns
Banned
The 5 year projection is extremely optimistic (and it was done by shell btw). All expert analysis point to oil demand peaking sometime in 2030s. That's even with clean energy variables being accelerated. Of course the hope is we get further acceleration in the clean tech area, to get the peak oil demand to occur earlier.
Regardless, that industry is not dying anytime soon and any pragmatic leader would and should leverage it. Of course there is a smart way to do that, and that's to incrementally reduce the impacts from the oil sector by implementing carbon reduction policies (along with billions in R&D investment in clean tech).
That's exactly what the Trudeau government is doing actually. These "all talk" and "hypocritical" posts are laughable. There's so many variables involved. All the info is available online on what the government plans to do short and long term, and these policies for the most part are backed up by data (an election promise btw).
Some people here need to do at least a bit of research on energy and environmental policy and what that technically entails before posting complete nonsense
Harrison Bergeron
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Yes, yes, that power is formally vested in the Crown. By constitutional convention the PM as leader of the party making up the majority government, in concert with the tradition/reality of party discipline, and various other conventions, ensures the PM's legislative agenda has a reasonably easy path to Royal assent. The PM and their Cabinet is a defacto executive branch in majority govenrments.
We'll keep him, thanks. As compensation, we can give you Scheer and throw in Leitch as a bonus.
excelsiorlef
Member
Nah I like my human rights intact instead of torn up.
Can't they take O'Leary too or is he back in America already, the patriotic Canadian that he is
Kevin O'Leary: Just Visiting.
Supposedly he'll be involved during the 2019 campaign but in what capacity is currently unknown.
Harrison Bergeron
Member
This is a deal I can endorse. Hell AmericaGAF might be happy to take Kevin O'Leary right now.
EDIT: Everyone on the same page offering up O'Leary.
Simon Belmont
Banned
He'll send a prerecorded video message.
DING DING DING, we have a winner. He's doing his best to move forward in a healthy way, he's trying to appease everyone which is what you want your leader to do. He's acknowledged Oil is not the future, but to pull the plug is super foolish. It's the smart way to do it, swallow the bitter pill now for the future.
And this.
jack_package_200
Banned
He is.
You can expand oil production while being environmentally conscious and working towards green energy.
Does anyone have a source that explains:
- the cost of doing it by rail vs by pipeline (both in terms of $$ and in terms of environmental impact)
- volume of oil per year transferred via rail instead of pipeline (ie, rate)
- how likely they are to deliver by rail if the pipeline is approved
Because I've heard this talking point but without much substantiation.
I hate oil as much as anyone and i'm all for a green economy, but this is a good reason why governments prefer pipes over rail.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-Mégantic_rail_disaster
If you're going to move oil rail is not the most safe way to do it.
I'll admit his attendance in parliament is probably his weak point... but he's still my guy.
Infinite Stars
Member
I mean, I'm not so salty that I actively want Justin out. I just wish that he hadn't made such a bold promise about Electoral Reform, backpedalled away, and is continuing to enforce the current system despite it having been responsible for the last Conservative Majority.
I don't think 90% of the NDP base would be opposed to consistently being outside of Government it meant that they'd actually be getting a number of seats on par with their voting percentage.
The other big upside is that this would effectively lock Conservatives out of government for the foreseeable future, and I think everyone can agree: "Fuck the Conservatives"
Simon Belmont
Banned
We had the first Trump in Rob Ford so it's a wash.
gutter_trash
Banned
Sorry.
fuckin' amazing
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