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Bethesda registers Fallout 4 trademark

What if they made the website seem fake to throw everyone off their tracks but it was actually real? Genius!
 
Poetic.Injustice said:
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Here.

McSmiggins said:
To be fair, the survivor2299.com site still screams fake to me.

Wrote this a couple of days ago but since this floated off the front page I didn't bother but saved it just in case. Since then they've turned off SSH (point 1)

1. Global SSH connections were turned on on the server until a couple of days ago, meaning anyone on the internet could try to SSH to the server. This doesn't make sense at all, it's the equivalent of turning Remote Desktop on on a Windows Server and allowing the whole world to try usernames and passwords all day long. The only time you'll see this in web hosting is due to one of three reasons:

a) Someone in admin forgot to turn it off which is a rather massive oversight, it shouldn't be on by default on public, corporate webservers like this. For every other Bethesda server it's turned off.

b) It's on a host that doesn't allow SSH restrictions via IP address, which if you own the servers, racks firewalls etc is extremely weird, or people connecting to it via SSH are on a dynamic IP address, which again doesn't make sense for hosting for a larger company. You would see this is small environments (shared hosting etc, which is most likely what this is - more on this in a bit.)

c) It's being left on so people can log into it (perhaps in an ARG?) This doesn't make sense, you wouldn't use SSH for these connections (you'd run a telnet server or something HIGHLY separated out.) If you want to use SSH someone would most likely root your server in a matter of minutes if you gave them access credentials.

The fact that this has changed and since been locked down means it's not (c), I still highly doubt it's (a) though, oversights like this have been known to happen, but it's pretty much the first thing you'd do if you're running a server for a corporate. As for (b) it could be, most common "rent a server here" companies would just leave a box with global SSH until you go and lock it down.

2. That DNS entry means absolutely nothing. Anyone who owns "domain.com" can create "<something>.domain.com" and create an "A Record" (for an IP address) Someone could make "google.microsoft.com" in the microsoft.com DNS and point it to a Google IP if they wanted to.

3. The server start point and it's mysterious migration. Why, when you own servers on the internet and your own IP allocation range, would you set up a server in Poland (using the company "vibiznes pl"), and then mysteriously move it to a server in the US that shows as being in Maryland using a completely different company (reliablehostingservices net). There's only two reasons I can think of:

a) The load on the server was too great for it to handle and you needed to host it somewhere else, so you set up a new server and move it. Fair enough, happens more often than you'd think but the choice of destination is fascinating and completely blows the reason you may have had for setting it up in Poland in the first place, namely to separate it from Bethesda.

b) You wanted to make it look like a Bethesda IP address because someone spotted it was in Poland, so you move it. ("Reliable" own 199.15.248.0 - 199.15.255.255, Bethesda own 199.107.64.160 - 199.107.64.175 and "Reliable" show as being in Maryland when you do a "whois" lookup. If you want to make it LOOK like a Bethesda IP address and you are Bethesda why not actually host it ON Bethesda's network?

I want Fallout 4 more than anyone, it and HL3 top my most wanted lists, considering they registered the trademark I absolutely believe there'll be an announcement at the VGX awards, but I don't believe that site is real in any way.
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Yeah, there's a lot of signs that it's fake. But that said, there's a lot of stuff that just screams "real" to me. It's wide-spread by now, and Betehsda haven't said anything. They had a phone number set up, someone made that audio for whatever the hell it is, I dunno. If it's a troll/hoax, it's a very elaborate one.
 
flounderingsomewhat said:
Skeeter Davis, End of the World


http://m.youtube.com/watchv=QgcyV6YIuI&desktop_uri=/watch?v=Qgcy-V6YIuI
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qgcy-V6YIuI

That is not the same recording however. Skeeter's track is very 60's, it has a more upbeat swing to it, the Fallout mp3 is very 50's.


EDIT
Its Brenda Lee - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvYXwHXF7to

wait, no I don't think its Brenda Lee either lol. Or at least, those two recordings are definitely different. The lyrics don't match up entirely. Could Bethesda have got someone in to cover it?
 
johntown said:
Technically, it could be any city.....even a European city.

It seems like they go for more iconic cities. DC, Las Vegas. NYC would make sense as would LA. I could see London too.

Personally, I am fine with whatever city they pick. I will shit a brick if it is NYC though.
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Except, EU isn't a part of the "Americana" culture that is portrayed in FO games unless that country has been annexed by the US.
 
McSmiggins said:
To be fair, the survivor2299.com site still screams fake to me.

Wrote this a couple of days ago but since this floated off the front page I didn't bother but saved it just in case. Since then they've turned off SSH (point 1)

1. Global SSH connections were turned on on the server until a couple of days ago, meaning anyone on the internet could try to SSH to the server. This doesn't make sense at all, it's the equivalent of turning Remote Desktop on on a Windows Server and allowing the whole world to try usernames and passwords all day long. The only time you'll see this in web hosting is due to one of three reasons:

a) Someone in admin forgot to turn it off which is a rather massive oversight, it shouldn't be on by default on public, corporate webservers like this. For every other Bethesda server it's turned off.

b) It's on a host that doesn't allow SSH restrictions via IP address, which if you own the servers, racks firewalls etc is extremely weird, or people connecting to it via SSH are on a dynamic IP address, which again doesn't make sense for hosting for a larger company. You would see this is small environments (shared hosting etc, which is most likely what this is - more on this in a bit.)

c) It's being left on so people can log into it (perhaps in an ARG?) This doesn't make sense, you wouldn't use SSH for these connections (you'd run a telnet server or something HIGHLY separated out.) If you want to use SSH someone would most likely root your server in a matter of minutes if you gave them access credentials.

The fact that this has changed and since been locked down means it's not (c), I still highly doubt it's (a) though, oversights like this have been known to happen, but it's pretty much the first thing you'd do if you're running a server for a corporate. As for (b) it could be, most common "rent a server here" companies would just leave a box with global SSH until you go and lock it down.

2. That DNS entry means absolutely nothing. Anyone who owns "domain.com" can create "<something>.domain.com" and create an "A Record" (for an IP address) Someone could make "google.microsoft.com" in the microsoft.com DNS and point it to a Google IP if they wanted to.

3. The server start point and it's mysterious migration. Why, when you own servers on the internet and your own IP allocation range, would you set up a server in Poland (using the company "vibiznes pl"), and then mysteriously move it to a server in the US that shows as being in Maryland using a completely different company (reliablehostingservices net). There's only two reasons I can think of:

a) The load on the server was too great for it to handle and you needed to host it somewhere else, so you set up a new server and move it. Fair enough, happens more often than you'd think but the choice of destination is fascinating and completely blows the reason you may have had for setting it up in Poland in the first place, namely to separate it from Bethesda.

b) You wanted to make it look like a Bethesda IP address because someone spotted it was in Poland, so you move it. ("Reliable" own 199.15.248.0 - 199.15.255.255, Bethesda own 199.107.64.160 - 199.107.64.175 and "Reliable" show as being in Maryland when you do a "whois" lookup. If you want to make it LOOK like a Bethesda IP address and you are Bethesda why not actually host it ON Bethesda's network?

I want Fallout 4 more than anyone, it and HL3 top my most wanted lists, considering they registered the trademark I absolutely believe there'll be an announcement at the VGX awards, but I don't believe that site is real in any way.
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Or..........perhaps Bethesda knew this would cause lots of discussion and hype? Maybe non-disclosure agreements prevent them from officially announcing anything early so they have to setup something like this?

The SSH could be so people can find stuff? Only tech savy people because the average user won't know how to SSH into a server much less navigate once they get in.

I wrote the site off too because of the name but the music that was found and I forget what exactly but something to do with Zenimax plus all the new job postings at Bethesda for next gen programmers and quest designers etc. means the game is out of pre production and ready to be announced.

I would bet money the game will be announced at VGX this year. Bethesda consistently has launch or semi close to launch titles of their big franchises.
 
Someone on reddit says he managed to link the teaser site to AKQA, the company that did Fallout 3's viral marketing campaign. I'm not saying it's true, because the reasoning doesn't look all that solid, but there you have it.
 
johntown said:
Or..........perhaps Bethesda knew this would cause lots of discussion and hype? Maybe non-disclosure agreements prevent them from officially announcing anything early so they have to setup something like this?

The SSH could be so people can find stuff? Only tech savy people because the average user won't know how to SSH into a server much less navigate once they get in.

I wrote the site off too because of the name but the music that was found and I forget what exactly but something to do with Zenimax plus all the new job postings at Bethesda for next gen programmers and quest designers etc. means the game is out of pre production and ready to be announced.

I would bet money the game will be announced at VGX this year. Bethesda consistently has launch or semi close to launch titles of their big franchises.
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I'm not saying you're wrong, and I agree I do completely expect a Fallout 4 trailer at the VGX and that in itself will "prove" this site is real to some people, but I still doubt the site itself. That SSH error is a schoolboy mistake for a sysadmin (and closing it just made it more damning evidence as it wasn't used for an ARG, so it was an oversight) This is pretty much corporate firewall 101 here, you just wouldn't do it as a systems administrator running a server with very specific goals like this one, and it's something a full time systems admin would have locked down on day 1 in the initial server build, but it's also something that 10 years of web hosting experience would put it down completely as something I'd expect to see from a web developer putting something up on a server on the internet who isn't experienced in running a server doing. The rest of the stuff, domain registrar etc I won't go into but there's no way it adds up.

I honestly think it was a hoax that got traction and got lucky, it's pretty obviously time for a Fallout 4 announcement and as you say the VGXs, where Skyrim got revealed, are coming up, it's either going to be TES:O or Fallout 4 trailer from Bethesda there, so if you wanted to hoax people there's definitely precedent for it to be true and make people believe in it, so set it up, Bethesda register Fallout 4 and suddenly your hoax is "real", better start posting more content. Sad thing is I'll never know, but good news is I'm probably getting Fallout 4 :)
 
It's sung by The Carpenters. Strange enough they're from the 70's and not the 50's.

Even asked someone who used to hear them sing.
 
Juan29.zapata said:
It's sung by The Carpenters. Strange enough they're from the 70's and not the 50's.

Even asked someone who used to hear them sing.
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The fallout mp3: "why do the birds go on singing, oh why do the stars glow above". No version I've heard of this track has that "oh" in that place. Though it could be that it is The Carpenters with a live version or re-recording.
 
spirity said:
The fallout mp3: "why do the birds go on singing, oh why do the stars glow above". No version I've heard of this track has that "oh" in that place. Though it could be that it is The Carpenters with a live version or re-recording.
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Me too, I compared the song and it's different, but it's the same voice, I'm almost sure.
 
Hmm thats pretty weird and inconistent with the lore.

They usually only put in things before the divergence, so putting in a song from the 70s is pretty odd.
Makes me doubt the site again
 
Martian said:
Hmm thats pretty weird and inconistent with the lore.

They usually only put in things before the divergence, so putting in a song from the 70s is pretty odd.
Makes me doubt the site again
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Divergence happens in the 50s IIRC, so pretty much anything from the 60s onward can't exist in Fallout world. Some things perhaps, but stuff from the 70s is stretching it...
 
Just because the divergence happens in 45 doesn't mean The Carpenters can't exist. Especially this song, since it is apparently a cover. If it helps, 3 and NV had references to hippies.
 
Horse Detective said:
Just because the divergence happens in 45 doesn't mean The Carpenters can't exist. Especially this song, since it is apparently a cover. If it helps, 3 and NV had references to hippies.
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They rarely use things after the divergence. I cant think of anything right now. Maybe a gun, but not music or cars or other theme objects
 
Horse Detective said:
I don't understand why music would not further develop from the 50's all the way to 2077.
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It would, but not with the same bands as in our timeline. The same reason why the Cuban crisis went right with ours and wrong in theirs. Thats also why there arent any Audi cars or flatscreen TVs even though they were made in 2070
 
This and Witcher 3 are going to force me to build a PC. I might be able to hold off for a few months, but I will be too impatient to hold off much longer than right after the holidays next year.
 
Raxious said:
So someone found this on the teaser site:

http://puu.sh/5q8L3.mp3
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http://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/1r6kuj/the_survivor_2299_speculation_and_hype_megathread/cdko0uf

Did you find it from r/Fallout if so it might be a troll post. The reddit user "pooperfucker" who claims to have found it claims he just stumbled upon it by messing with url values on push, some users were reporting there is no possible way to access the link by adding values because it is not a random generated hash value. To add to the suspicion he created the account an hour before posting the audio file and seems to be deflecting questions about he really found it.

I hope I'm wrong because it does sound awesome.

Also for those looking for the song its Patti Page- End of the World
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st7vEOaDiZ0
 
Martian said:
Yeah, but that's mostly because Las Vegas was missed by the nukes.

Washington DC got hit directly, as did a lot of other cities. Also its not really clear how many GECK there are, or exactly how to use them. So I don't think they are going to be in use 30 years after F3
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If we take really what was in Fallout 2 as cannon then most of Vaults were just elaborate scientific experiment and most of those Vaults didn't really contain GECK at all.

Both Fallout 3 and Fallout NV looks to take Fallout 2 Vault experiments descriptions and use them to litter those vaults with different kind of design just for sake of it.

This part i didn't like about F2 compared to F1. F1 was bleak where F2 made out of this bleak world kind of crazy alternate universe.

I just hope Fallout 4 is created by Obsidian. Fallout 4 with Betsheda design will be just inferior to Obsidian design especially after Skyrim.
 
The Lone Courier said:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/1r6kuj/the_survivor_2299_speculation_and_hype_megathread/cdko0uf

Did you find it from r/Fallout if so it might be a troll post. The reddit user "pooperfucker" who claims to have found it claims he just stumbled upon it by messing with url values on push, some users were reporting there is no possible way to access the link by adding values because it is not a random generated hash value. To add to the suspicion he created the account an hour before posting the audio file and seems to be deflecting questions about he really found it.

I hope I'm wrong because it does sound awesome.

Also for those looking for the song its Patti Page- End of the World
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st7vEOaDiZ0
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Or this just might be VIRAL marketing.
 
Martian said:
It would, but not with the same bands as in our timeline. The same reason why the Cuban crisis went right with ours and wrong in theirs. Thats also why there arent any Audi cars or flatscreen TVs even though they were made in 2070
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Because the transistor wasn't invented by 1947 like it was in our universe, thus the microchip and computer miniaturization never happened. If I remember correctly the transistor was only invented a few years before the bombs fell and the microchip was only an idea. It would be interesting to see how the Commonwealth has developed if the Institute mastered the microchip (as apparently necessary by the existence of the androids).
 
Martian said:
They rarely use things after the divergence. I cant think of anything right now. Maybe a gun, but not music or cars or other theme objects
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I think there were a few 60's songs in New Vegas, if I'm not mistaken.

EDIT: "Ain't That A Kick In The Head" was released in 1960. "Big Iron" in 1959. "Blue Moon" in '61. The list goes on.

I think the original creators once stated that the divergence wasn't one point where everything changed, but that it was a long period of time.
 
Holy shit I need this soooo bad.

Fallout 3 and Vegas are not only my top two games (NV > FO3) but games that I can replay and replay endlessly, not something I am prone to.
 
So that audio is fake. The music from the latter half is this. Also, one of the posters on Reddit said he did it himself (although he has nothing to do with the website).
 
What's funny is we probably get a fallout 4 announcement soon.

But it won't live up to the hype that dedicated fans can produce.

The fakes are always awesome
 
Well, expecting anything major from that reveal is foolish, imho. We will probably get short teaser and maybe 2-3 artworks. The first chance for something more substantial is at VGX.
 
Perkel said:
If we take really what was in Fallout 2 as cannon then most of Vaults were just elaborate scientific experiment and most of those Vaults didn't really contain GECK at all.

Both Fallout 3 and Fallout NV looks to take Fallout 2 Vault experiments descriptions and use them to litter those vaults with different kind of design just for sake of it.

This part i didn't like about F2 compared to F1. F1 was bleak where F2 made out of this bleak world kind of crazy alternate universe.

I just hope Fallout 4 is created by Obsidian. Fallout 4 with Betsheda design will be just inferior to Obsidian design especially after Skyrim.
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If it's made by Bethesda, which I'm sure it is, then it will most likely have lots of skills taken out and other stuff taken out just like with all Beth Rpg sequels. :/
 
That time of the gen already?

Straight into my veins, Bethesda. Just please let the rumors of Boston be true, and consider a Wii U release for that tablet. Or not, fuck it, I'll roll on a PC too. Either way. Just gimme.
 
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