shadow_shogun
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I know, right? The painful thing is Hector had the last laugh.
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I know, right? The painful thing is Hector had the last laugh.
Cornballer
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I was trying to remember where I've seen the actor playing Lyle before, and he was on Banshee for a while as Jason Hood.
Hector is possibly the most unambiguously evil main character in the series. Well, depending on how you look at it, since the likes of Tuco and The Cousins seem more unhinged. But the younger Salamanca's are all the products of Hector, and unlike them, Hector seems to not have any clear mental dispositions toward sociopathy. We get a flashback of the cousins at their youngest where they seem much more like normal boys, in contrast to their terminator selves. I imagine Tuco was the same way, even if he came out more emotional than his cousins. But Hector? He just seems like a cold blooded motherfucker who thinks he's entitled to the whole world and has no concern for anyone or anything beyond his own power trip.
Kadayi
Banned
True. I like Jimmy and Kim is excellent, but the Mike stuff is the more compelling story I'm finding. Honestly, it kind of felt like we were getting a pure Mike, Gus, Hector episode, given the opening and where it went, so I was a bit taken aback when Kim popped up.
Good to see Nacho, again. Though I hope we see more of him this season and not just as Hector's flunky.
Gus will kill you for failing him, Hector will kill you out of spite.
They really know how to build on existing characters in a way that's good fan service while not hurting the integrity of what they wrote for BB. That's actually pretty amazing.
bitbydeath
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I hope this show isn't about him becoming Saul Goodman, I thought that'd happen in the first season but they just keep dragging it out.
-Pyromaniac-
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lol these fucking gifs. Bless Eladio.Yes. He was always a mercurial loon.
Also thanks for the post mortem stuff. This show is brilliant and I want to consume it ALL.
NinjaBoiX
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Just watched the first episode and it was great as expected, but the whole fuel cap tracker thing was a bit silly. He changed the cap/tracker what, twice in the space of a few days? And his pursuers didn't start to get at all suspicious that I little RF transmitter was chewing through batteries that quickly?
I dunno, felt a bit daft to me.
Chuck's play with the tape recorder was very clever though.
Edit: hang on, the first time he just left the cap on the side in the parking lot didn't he? Never mind!
I dunno, felt a bit daft to me.
Chuck's play with the tape recorder was very clever though.
Edit: hang on, the first time he just left the cap on the side in the parking lot didn't he? Never mind!
Duane Cunningham
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Yes. He was always a mercurial loon.
By the way, for anyone who doesn't listen to the podcast:
They didn't have that tequila bottle prop anymore, so they recreated it last year when Jimmy and Kim conned Ken Wins and got him to spend hundreds of dollars on shots of that same (fictional) brand over dinner early last season.
Dominican Power
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Great fucking episode.
Dominican Power
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Said no one.
super-heated plasma
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I think Jimmy is going to erase the parts where he admits what he did, and just leave the parts where Chuck is talking about how sick he's becoming. Diabolical.
Breaking into Chuck's place a second time feels impractical. I mean, Mike might be able to do it, but if he were going to steal the time, it feels like when he was in posing as a repair dude, that would have been the opportune time. If he made a spare key to the door he fixed, then I feel like they would have shown that.
I honestly have no idea what Jimmy and Kim are up to. Can't wait to find out.
I honestly have no idea what Jimmy and Kim are up to. Can't wait to find out.
That's the way we were supposed to feel. Gus seemed like a clear nasty piece of shit villain threatening the life of Walt's infant daughter. Now when we rewatch BB, I wonder if it'll completely change the way we all feel about Hector and Gus. Now, I feel like there's probably not a chance he would have carried through with his threat, right?
Who's Lyle?
I know right? I wish I had subtitles for those lol, at least Juan Bolsa, Eladio and the driver spoke mostly fine, Hector's lack of Spanish did show though.
I fucking laughed hard at the Chuck and Mike scene. Him revving that driller to keep Chuck away was one of the funniest things I've seen this year so far.
ShemhazaiX
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Eh, I prefer the Jimmy side of the story more, personally. I mean, I like the Mike side of it, and have no issues with Mike heavy episodes, but I just really like the lawyer storylines.
I mean, it's impressive that with all of the crazy drug dealers and scumbag criminals, the most irredeemable character on the show in my opinion is Chuck. I absolutely hate the man and haven't legitimately hated a villain in a show (the good kind of hate) since Joffrey.
I always liked Gus because he was ruthless but he didn't want to be. He didn't it if it wasn't necessary but he never took any joy it in.
I was watching some comparisons of the Columbian BB version of the other day and it was amazing how they fucked up so much. For example, like the post above me talks, when Gus talks about killing his daughter, it's sad with almost disgust on Gus' part. He hates that he has to threaten Walter with something so horrible but if it has to be done, then it will, while in the Colombian version, their Gus smiles when he talks about killing his daughter. Totally misses the point of Gus as a character.
I probably won't do it but I kinda would like to watch BB as soon as BCS ends just to see all that history behind Saul and Mike when they finally show up there.
I was watching some comparisons of the Columbian BB version of the other day and it was amazing how they fucked up so much. For example, like the post above me talks, when Gus talks about killing his daughter, it's sad with almost disgust on Gus' part. He hates that he has to threaten Walter with something so horrible but if it has to be done, then it will, while in the Colombian version, their Gus smiles when he talks about killing his daughter. Totally misses the point of Gus as a character.
I probably won't do it but I kinda would like to watch BB as soon as BCS ends just to see all that history behind Saul and Mike when they finally show up there.
Moff
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the assistant manager? maybe I don't remember it correctly
I'm in the middle of a rewatch right now actually (early season 3). It's pretty interesting having the extra context. Like Mike watching the Cousins go into Walt's house, things like that.
This show grabs you by the balls so tightly. It was definitely a slower episode but still had insane levels of intrigue. Loved the return of Don Eladio (and I appreciate being able to enjoy his accent and delivery considering I'm completely ignorant to Spanish) and the Mike stuff was brilliant. I could watch Mike fixing stuff for hours.
My favourite line was Jimmy's when he and Mike are at the diner and he's sifting through the photos: "at some point we're going to have to discuss the rule of thirds." Hahaha.
The worst part about BCS? It makes me so salty that Hector got the last laugh over Gus. He's such a cunt.
My favourite line was Jimmy's when he and Mike are at the diner and he's sifting through the photos: "at some point we're going to have to discuss the rule of thirds." Hahaha.
The worst part about BCS? It makes me so salty that Hector got the last laugh over Gus. He's such a cunt.
therealminime
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Who deserves a worse fate, Chuck of Hector.... Hmm...
(Fuck you Chuck)
(Fuck you Chuck)
Nah the Jimmy stuff is more compelling. Gus and old man are great actors and it's executed well, but we pretty much know the whole story and these characters from BB. It's just more of their feud, which is honestly just another gang war story. Never been much of a fan of the cartel stuff in BB though.
Mechanical Snowman
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These podcasts everyone is referring to the drugs that Hector and Fring are running as meth, I thought it was cocaine all this time. It looks like a fine white powder in the show.
Yeah I'd be interested to hear impressions from someone who has never seen BB but is watching this. First two seasons of BCS had its fair share of BB characters and references, but this season is full on merging the shows (in a good way).
minor effort
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Robdraggoo
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Both stories this week were excellent. My take on the pictures Mike took were to make Chuck look crazy. So when Chuck plays the tape it also has Jimmy saying he confessed to make Chuck feel better is going to show that Jimmy is caring for his brother and the confession is meaningless because it was a lie to make Chuck feel better. Chuck is going to be deemed incompetent and lose his licence.
They could also drag the doctor in who has suggested to Jimmy on multiple occasions to have Chuck commuted.
They could also drag the doctor in who has suggested to Jimmy on multiple occasions to have Chuck commuted.
RecRoulette
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Finally caught the episode, what a brilliant show this is. Gus is amazing, Kim is amazing. Love it.
Sr Kitsune
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I'm in with this, but what about the "destruction of personal property"? If what Jimmy confession was a lie, why did he went and destroyed the tape if there was nothing to worry about? How is he going to explaing going to his brother house all angry and destroying the tape?
RecRoulette
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The endgame was always to have the tape be officially destroyed. That's why they switched it to damaged before. Kim knew Chuck would insist on the tape being destroyed instead of damaged (even adding the extra $2 and change onto the damages).
It's all leading towards entrapment somehow, the only missing link is whatever was on the note Mike got.
What's on the tape doesn't matter legally, it never mattered. They talked about it last time how Jimmy could talk his way out of it.
IggyChooChoo
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I bet Jimmy will say he destroyed the tape because the tape was going to ruin Chuck's reputation by making Chuck look crazy. That he did it to protect Chuck.
The thing is, I can see Kim going along with all this to help Jimmy and get back at HHM. But it's probably going to cross a line. No way would Kim want to see Chuck actually committed over all this. We may all dislike Chuck because Chuck is fundamentally motivated by resentment toward Jimmy, but he doesn't deserve to be institutionalized. And that's probably going to be what happens.
Man, this show just keeps getting better and better.
Ahh yes, Banshee was so much fun.
Ah shit, Lyle isn't gonna let this go.
newtypepilot
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The opening scene feels like it was straight up from BB. FeelsGoodMan. I'm sure many people notice this but the opening shot of Eladio diving into the pool is a reference to last time we saw him on BB. Does Hector saying "butt brothers" pretty much confirms that Gus is gay?? This was only subtly implied in the flashback scene during BB. I do hope we get another flashback scene with Gus and Max in BCS.
Chuck getting cocky thinking he has Jimmy in the corner will be his downfall. Looks like Jimmy and Kim's plan is to get Chuck disbarred by showing how crazy he is and how he is a danger to himself. Maybe that's why Jimmy had Mike take a bunch of pictures inside his house. Jimmy needs to show that Chuck is incapable of supporting himself on his own. I wonder if he will get Rebecca to appear.
Chuck getting cocky thinking he has Jimmy in the corner will be his downfall. Looks like Jimmy and Kim's plan is to get Chuck disbarred by showing how crazy he is and how he is a danger to himself. Maybe that's why Jimmy had Mike take a bunch of pictures inside his house. Jimmy needs to show that Chuck is incapable of supporting himself on his own. I wonder if he will get Rebecca to appear.
I thought the same, might be mistaken but I feel like they used shots similar to that in BB multiple times.
BobTheFork
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Major BB vibes this week. Now we just wait for the vicious fist fight between Jimmy and Kim.
Cornballer
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Regarding the opening scenes, they noted on the podcast that they ended up using more handheld shots than usual because they were really time constrained on the set in Mexico. BB used a lot of these whereas they deliberately avoided them on BCS initially. However, the DP and the director noted that it wasn't a choice to make it look more like BB, but rather they just stumbled into it this week because they were running out of daylight when on set. Happy coincidences...
One other tidbit, apparently it was really cold on set and they said Steven Bauer was a pro for hanging out (literally and figuratively) in a speedo for the shoot.
One other tidbit, apparently it was really cold on set and they said Steven Bauer was a pro for hanging out (literally and figuratively) in a speedo for the shoot.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Did he really? Assuming Gustav put him in that chair, at most he evened the score at the cost of his own life.
Bounceounce
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I don't understand the perspectives changing on Hector from people with this episode, like we know a lot more about his character and how pathetic he can be now, but in the previous series we saw him nearly drown a kid, and we also saw him whip his dick out to piss in a pool and fuck with gus as well as the rest of the terrible things he did with Gus and his friends.
All this episode made me do is like him more, it's still more than perfect that he was able to kill Gus.
All this episode made me do is like him more, it's still more than perfect that he was able to kill Gus.
I love that the podcast gets into the technical details of shooting it.
Handheld is indeed more time efficient than setting up tripods and dolly's.
Permanently A
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Hector getting the last laugh over Gus was a mistake
NiiloPielinen
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I thought it was obvious that what Mike got from Chuck's house was the location of the original tape and then later Kim managed to get confirmation that it is the only and original copy
Wait I'm confused. So Chuck was lying about a second tape?