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BEYOND: Two Souls (Ellen Page, Willem Dafoe) |OT| Press Triangle to Aiden
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Just cleared the game. Oh man, what a satisfying ending in a game for once. Sooo good and they even left it open for a possible sequel and explained the reason the story is present in non-chronological order.
The only reason this game doesn't top TLoU for me is that the gameplay is not as robust. It's one of the best plots I've ever seen in a game...
The only reason this game doesn't top TLoU for me is that the gameplay is not as robust. It's one of the best plots I've ever seen in a game...
The reason for the out of order events was shallow at best but I'm fine with the fact that I wouldn't have wanted to play as young jodie for 4-5 hours of the game.
Honestly, I'm cool that they jumped around but they should have kept each section in cronological order. Basically, split the game into child jodie, teenage jodie,
CIA jodie, and post-CIA jodie
While I didn't like HR, I still gave this a go and ended up liking it a lot more, mainly due to the significant improvement in acting and animation. <3 Ellen Page.
I was probably most impressed by the graphical quality though. This is the best looking console game now, right? can't think of anything that tops it. Beautiful almost the entire way.
I was probably most impressed by the graphical quality though. This is the best looking console game now, right? can't think of anything that tops it. Beautiful almost the entire way.
Chose Life ending with Zoe, being re-united with the homeless gang was an ending I enjoyed immensely
petethepanda
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I was wondering if this could have been the main reason for presenting the game this way. While there is technically an explanation for it, narratively there wasn't any compelling reason for the extreme nonlinearity. In most cases it actively worked against it. At the very least, toning it down some would have helped.
In the wake of finishing the game, I've been thinking: Is it possible to create a fully-realized character arc in a story that has so many potential outcomes?
Certainly is, great way for Sony to bow out.
I have no doubt that the real reason for the choppy linearity was to alleviate how messed up the pacing would have been if it was all childhood then all action.
Cool
ReturnOfTheRAT
Member
Did that mission just before midnight in a darkened living room. So good.
You're not fair! She just wants to be like other girls! =P
Yeah, that's the chapter I thought could easily be confused for a next gen game. I can't believe they pulled that off.
I love the look though
That was the one part of the game I didn't care for. Thankfully it's just the one, brief chapter.
Yo, you're just jealous you can't
shred some serious metal
One thing I was confused about was where did she get the influence to be like that from.
There are other girls on the base, and she mentions girls by name, so presumably she's hanging out with girls who dress like that in her free time, but they can go to the bar, and she can't.
That makes sense, I was also confused when she kept referencing to "the girls" at the bar, so that clears that up. Speaking of the bar,
why didn't the bartender attempt to intervene when the attempted rape happened? Or did he try to and the guy's friend stopped him?
Also, does anyone know what track of the OST is from Welcome to the CIA? I can't find it.
Speaking of the OST, is it available anywhere? It's been pretty amazing so far.
Coolbgdog12
Member
Is there going to be DLC for this game?? I seriously could play as Ellen Page forever. I just love seeing her face.
They'll probably make the SE challenge DLC publically available at some point. I could totally see Cage doing an extension of the game
the prophecy vision at the end
I've been listening to it on YouTube, iirc it came with the Special Edition of the game, and I'm assuming it'll be coming to iTunes (I bought TLOU soundtrack there as well, that's why I'm assuming).
Thickstone
Member
Are you sure? I just thought she made them up in order to have a justification for herself to go out...or to cope with the fact that she hasn't any friends. The location was totally off for 16 year old girls and it is strange that they didn't show up.
Unless she felt like lying to herself more once she got to the bar. She mentions them to herself if you bring her into the bathroom.
Why would that work? If she only ever speaks to those two men, it doesn't make much sense to pretend she has female friends to the only two people who know her.
indigo-cyclops
Member
This cracked me up...
Thickstone
Member
It's not impossible imo...
I find it strange myself, but I just don't understand why they don't show up and why they would choose such an odd location. If someone lives relatively isolated like Jodie, then I think it's possible to invent such a story. I thought her motivation for going there was to pretend to herself that she was like other girls, along with having friends and all...
I was DYING at her
angry guitar playing. I also sat her up and down on the couch, so she'd sit, cry, stand up, sit, cry, stand up.
That whole chapter was hilarious.
That whole chapter was hilarious.
Also, later in the game
just getting through Navajo and
SHASHURIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
had me laughing so hard.
SHASHURIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
had me laughing so hard.
Yeah, I don't know how I'd score it but it's got some of the best (worst) unintentional humor I've seen in a while. Cage is so bizarre. There are scenes that have amazing directing where everything flows so perfectly with beautiful shot composition and then suddenly he's cutting left and right for no reason while gratuitously panning on nothing. The writing will be spot on, emotionally moving stuff and then the dialogue gets so stilted and unnatural I can't believe Page actually read it that way. Also, I think every game of his I've played has had guitars and women showering\going to the bathroom.
I throughly enjoyed Beyond, played it in pretty much one sitting with a few 15-20 minute breaks because it was so interesting and engrossing, but as a game it seems like they've made no progress from Heavy Rain. The tech is awesome, acting and Mo-Cap top notch, but the writing and more importantly game design are still lacking in the same ways.
Is it isolated? Or is it that the base is isolated, and the bar is just the most close location to play pool and socialize outside of the base's watchful eyes.
While Jodie's first party experience was far from a success, there's really no reason to think her attempts at friendship ended there, and in fact, that sequence seems to be there to make it seem like she isn't completely isolated.
I don't think it makes any sense for her to lie to her 'keepers', then lie to herself. It makes more sense that her friends just weren't there, either they cancelled the plans, and didn't tell her, because they didn't know she was going, or they went somewhere else, or whatever.
She posted this on twitter the other day. It's old but still funny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13s9vzXMbks
There should be a moratorium on
characters screaming out names over their dead family/friends.
Goddamn, I couldn't even get 5 seconds in when she started talking to tripping out back to Beyond haha.
I can't wait to see William Dafoe again. The whole game was like the Green Goblin's origin story ffs.
Thickstone
Member
You are probably right. Didn't think about it that much after the chapter.
However, I think my version is more dramatic and I will continue pretending to myself that I am right. I...like my illogical solution /cage mode off
Well that's awkward...
TheHollowNight
Member
Well my expectations for this game coming in were very low, but I played it with a couple of friends on a big TV, and I honestly believe it was the best way to experience the game. We managed to get past the chapter in the
, including breaks for food and smokes and whatnot.
We just passed round the controller between the three of us for each new chapter and analysed the events. Really good fun to do that with narrative driven games.
Visuals were quite honestly jawdropping in some areas, lighting and animation was truly incredible. Easily takes the crown for best looking current-gen (console) game. This is coming from someone who isn't really a fan of David Cage stuff or someone who hasn't owned a PS360 myself (thank ye lawd Gaben for thy Steam). But really impressive stuff. I'm normally someone who hates QTE events, but it sort of worked here.
Some of the stuff that wound me up was how blatantly obvious or patronising the hints felt for advancing the story. Like the game was going "Hey REMEMBER THIS THING that happened 5 minutes ago? Here it is again in a flashback!" I don't like being treated like an idiot, and I felt subtlety really isn't in Cage's repertoire. The other issue I had was "when in doubt, press triangle to Aiden"
But apart from that an enjoyable experience. A lot funnier and darker than I expected. A lot more overt horror tones.
Nejavo Desert
We just passed round the controller between the three of us for each new chapter and analysed the events. Really good fun to do that with narrative driven games.
Visuals were quite honestly jawdropping in some areas, lighting and animation was truly incredible. Easily takes the crown for best looking current-gen (console) game. This is coming from someone who isn't really a fan of David Cage stuff or someone who hasn't owned a PS360 myself (thank ye lawd Gaben for thy Steam). But really impressive stuff. I'm normally someone who hates QTE events, but it sort of worked here.
Some of the stuff that wound me up was how blatantly obvious or patronising the hints felt for advancing the story. Like the game was going "Hey REMEMBER THIS THING that happened 5 minutes ago? Here it is again in a flashback!" I don't like being treated like an idiot, and I felt subtlety really isn't in Cage's repertoire. The other issue I had was "when in doubt, press triangle to Aiden"
But apart from that an enjoyable experience. A lot funnier and darker than I expected. A lot more overt horror tones.
That is some terrible fucking spoiler labelling, dude.
Worst chapter in the game by a mile, in my opinion. Some people loved it, but I hated almost every minute of it.
I thought it was amazing, very self contained, but didn't have any relevance to the actual story is what bothered me about it. I'm still happy it was there, though.