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Beyond : Two Souls won't have QTEs
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The Mana Legend
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Uh, you really can't see why an entire game based on QTEs can bother someone?
Lion Heart
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I loved Heavy Rain so thats a little alarming but I'm always down for new experiences. At least it will feel more fresh, hopefully.
That's his trademark. It wouldn't be a Quantic Dream game otherwise.
The fundamentally flawed thing about Quantic Dream's games is that they don't have a leg to stand on in either the story or the gameplay department. The reason why it is so easy to criticize their portfolio and design philosophy is that they lack talent as writers and they lack talent as game designers.
This sets them up for much, much criticism, obviously. Telltale avoided this with The Walking Dead because their character writing made up for the lacking gameplay design.
This sets them up for much, much criticism, obviously. Telltale avoided this with The Walking Dead because their character writing made up for the lacking gameplay design.
You can enjoy whatever you like. My comment was simply saying that it is perfectly logical to appreciate the gameplay in point-and-click adventure game and dismiss Heavy Rain as the junk it is.
Heavy Rain removed most of the tropes of traditional point-and-click adventure games and in its place put one of the most disastrously written plots of the generation. And in a game whose almost entire focus is storyline, this is problematic. Regardless, whether you agree or not wasn't the point of my original post. I was just specifically highlighting the foundational differences between HR and most point-and-click adventure games, and why it's not hypocritical to like one and not the other.
Rodney McKay
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Just make it play like a big budget, 3D Ghost Trick and I'll be a happy camper.
HoodWinked
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why do i think its gonna be the same thing with just a different name.
bigboss370
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shame on people that disregard heavy rain as being a game. just because you can't open your mind to a different way of playing doesn't make the game any less interactive. and heavy rain was a good game at that. there were genuinely tense moments and also exhilarating moments.
I hope Beyond is in the same vein as far as mechanics go, so these quotes from Cage are kinda making me wonder >_>
whether you liked the story or gameplay or not is besides the point. his contention was that heavy rain is still legitimately a game, whether you think its a good or bad one.
I hope Beyond is in the same vein as far as mechanics go, so these quotes from Cage are kinda making me wonder >_>
whether you liked the story or gameplay or not is besides the point. his contention was that heavy rain is still legitimately a game, whether you think its a good or bad one.
Everyone's negative on the internet.
I'm not sure what to think about changing the gameplay, but as long as it has multiple story paths/possibilities and endings, depending on what you do then I'm happy, it's basically an evolved visual novel. That's why I liked Heavy Rain.
dragonbane
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Very high chance that this is just a typo or he misspoke. He probably said "less QTEs" which is true based on the material we have. But no QTEs? They have to completely change some parts then we saw in the demo. I don't see how the fight scenes could work without them.
At least he is not alone anymore. Remember, team writing from now on. Stay calm and watch your blood pressure. Everything will be fine Ami...Amir0x said:
walking fiend
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Yeah, Heavy Rain plot wasn't really amazing, but overall it had one of the better dialogues and character developments, and if not for it's stupid gameplay, could have been a really great game.
I am really hyped for Beyond, despite not having a PS3 anymore.
I am really hyped for Beyond, despite not having a PS3 anymore.
SneakyStephan
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I wish gifs could have sound (clicking them activates it before you jump on my throat).
Youtube video will have to do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLnJrYYdzq0
It'll be 'not QTEs' in the same way that the batman combat consists entirely of 'not QTEs'
Youtube video will have to do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLnJrYYdzq0
It'll be 'not QTEs' in the same way that the batman combat consists entirely of 'not QTEs'
Finally they're learning.
My first thought.
My second.
We'll see. It's clear after GDC Cagr still has a lot of false delusions about HR. No QTEs? I'd love it to be true; it's extremely doubtful.
Nameless One
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we all know deep inside it will be very similar to QTE 
Right, and the definition for game is getting so broad at this point as to be essentially meaningless... but for the purposes, I'd say I distantly agree with the point it's a game, but only because you have to use a controller to finish it. It is basically a choose-your-own-adventure book but with QTE prompts between everything.
I'm still skeptical. If they know the three next games they're making (as per the other topic), who came up with the ideas all that time ago? Was it David Cage? And if so.. can the team writers save the concepts before they fester into typical David Cage nonsense?
Riposte
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Choose your own adventure books are straight up games.
They are even named as such: "Gamebooks".
Then the definition of a game is too broad as well if a choose-your-own-adventure book is a game. It's just a novel with multiple choices, so if that fits into a game, then there's nothing I can add
Metalmurphy
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You mean just like Heavy Rain?
slightconfuse
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There is no game is a 60$ immersive Experience!!!!
Just curious for those of you who don't like QTE. What did you think about the walking dead? Personally, I find the gameplay very similar and enjoyed both.. of course, I think the walking dead had better writing, but it seems everyone is so hung up on the execution of how the game plays and the walking dead seems to be well received so what makes you like one, but not the other?
Metalmurphy
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One has David Cage at the helm and is a PS3 exclusive.
Haha yup. There was alot of cutscenes in the gameplay demos from last year..
Morrigan Stark
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I was gonna object and say that those books were games... but then I think I got confused with the Fighting Fantasy, Sorcery! and Lonewolf-type of gamebooks (which were all translated under a collection called "Une livre dont vous êtes le héro" ["A book where you are the hero"] which I devoured as a kid). I think I recall the type of books you're referring to, and yeah, they're not really games... maybe in the loosest definition of the word, at very best.
Hated it. It should have been a real point-and-click adventure (in the classic LucasArts style) instead of that idiotic HR-lite shit.
BadAss2961
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Me too. I loved Heavy Rain, and QD has my full support. But i'm skeptical of how well they can handle a more traditional gameplay scheme, if that's where Beyond is headed.
I do find it kinda bullshit how so many on GAF praise the Walking Dead and giving Heavy Rain/Cage so much shit. "Terrible writing" my ass, because it's engaging all the way to the end at the very least.
The only meaningful difference between FF/LW and CYOA is that the former has random dice rolls sprinkled throughout. I don't feel that randomness is a factor in defining a game. Neither chess nor Go have any randomness at all (beyond the determination of starting player), but are full of interesting, branching choices with real consequences.
Videogames are perhaps more like sports than board/card games, in that execution is often more important than explicit decision-making (i.e., choice). There are whole swaths of videogames where choices are very limited or entirely lacking (rhythm games). There are other videogames where execution is downplayed and choices are of utmost importance (turn-based strategy games). There are videogames where both execution and decision-making are valued (fighting games). And there are videogames that value neither execution nor decision-making (left as an exercise for the reader). And everything in between.
Riposte
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I give The Walking Dead a lot of shit and think it is quite bad overall. I get the feeling a lot of people in this thread would flip their opinions on Cage if he hired good writers. Which is to say, I don't really agree with most people even if they also think Cage sucks.
I enjoyed some choose-your-adventure stuff as a kid, don't get me wrong, but I just never thought of them as a game. I just thought of them as a book where the author gave me some options with how I wanted it to end
I guess it's always better to keep a definition broad rather than strictly defined, but on the other hand it can make for troublesome gray areas. I think a CYOA book is a grey area, certainly, at best.
P.S. you seem like a good poster, you should post more. Think I may even add you to my much prestigious trusted GAFer list, the respect list for people whose opinions I can utilize when making purchasing decisions!
LeBrick James said:
There is a very real and huge gap in writing quality between Walking Dead and Heavy Rain, I think this is fairly self-evident at this point. We can go down the laundry list of plot holes, inconsistencies, logic problems, voice acting horrors, etc in Heavy Rain and then put it up against the comparably minor writing issues of Walking Dead if you're unsure as to how this can be, though
Somehow I doubt that's an exercise anyone wants to partake in though
Metalmurphy
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There is a very real and huge gap in writing quality between Walking Dead and Heavy Rain, I think this is fairly self-evident at this point. We can go down the laundry list of plot holes, inconsistencies, logic problems, voice acting horrors, etc in Heavy Rain and then put it up against the comparably minor writing issues of Walking Dead if you're unsure as to how this can be, though
Somehow I doubt that's an exercise anyone wants to partake in though
Specially because it would be incredibly biased.
i don't think you know what the word 'biased' means, but I definitely know what this comment means: Metalmurphy playing preemptive defense because he knows once people start the critiques he'll once again be unable to respond to any of them.
Metalmurphy
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"once again"? lol Only if you make shit up, once again.
And by biased I mean you'll ignore everything bad about the Telltale game and everything good about Heavy Rain.
like most discussions you participate in, you're more concerned about some perception people have against your object of choice than with any of the arguments people actually make.
Maybe that's just my perception of the way you get into these discussions, but it comes across that way. Same as people thinking I just hate to hate for devil's advocacy purposes shit, I 'spose.
Metalmurphy said:
Have you ever known me to hold back on criticisms? I have plenty of issues with Walking Dead, they're just waist deep compared to Heavy Rain's problems.
Metalmurphy
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Not really, I just find it funny when people think their opinions are the only ones that matter and as such should be treated as factual.
I've known you to be full of shit in pretty much everything you say.
I dunno, at least Heavy Rain doesn't fuck up your data. Oh, and it also doesn't sound like it was recorded on a walkman. Oh, and it actually knows how to give you an illusion of choice.
nobody thinks that, ever. This is just shit people say when they don't like people stating their opinions with force and conviction.
Metalmurphy said:
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Amir0x said:
i'm like a psychic or something.
Deadpandas
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"Cinematic action"
Jive Turkey
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And the Cinematic Action Generating Event is born.
Yeah, Heavy Rain just sounds like the voice acting was recorded by people completely unfamiliar with the English language and what 'emoting' means. I guess it depends on what your preference is, I suppose. The game is notorious for its atrocious voice acting, quite unlike Walking Dead, but you already knew that.
As to choice, I can't possibly care about that when the story is so bad. So I guess you can have that one, if you like your pyrrhic victories served hot.
As to the data loss, never heard about that problem with Walking Dead, but that sounds shitty if you experienced that. As I can only go by my experience, I did not have that issue, and so it is not something that had any weight in how I interpreted my time with the game. But that sort of stuff happened with Heavy Rain too, and in fact Heavy Rain's patch 1.02 was partially made specifically to fix users issues with saves.
Curious that you forgot that same issue with Heavy Rain, eh? But notice, I've never criticized Heavy Rain for save file corruptions before, because it didn't impact me. You see, unlike some people, I don't selectively apply my criticisms.
dragonbane
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I think the concepts are pretty good to be honest. With better writers they could execute them properly too. And again, watch your blood pressure. You really tried your best the past years, but you won't change the mind of anyone and no matter how shitty the next game of David Cage is going to be, it will still be succesful and people will love it once again for the wrong reasons. You have to live with that unfortunately. Don't waste your energy on it anymore.I'm still skeptical. If they know the three next games they're making (as per the other topic), who came up with the ideas all that time ago? Was it David Cage? And if so.. can the team writers save the concepts before they fester into typical David Cage nonsense?
Never care about GAF
Small and vocal minority as usual (although not undeserved). Heavy Rain still sold better then Walking Dead overall and the majority likes it. So chill out.
BadAss2961
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But then there's the other problem with people complaining about the QTE gameplay of Heavy Rain. Basically how Cage is such a bad man for believing in it, while I hardly ever see this used against TWD.There is a very real and huge gap in writing quality between Walking Dead and Heavy Rain, I think this is fairly self-evident at this point. We can go down the laundry list of plot holes, inconsistencies, logic problems, voice acting horrors, etc in Heavy Rain and then put it up against the comparably minor writing issues of Walking Dead if you're unsure as to how this can be, though
Somehow I doubt that's an exercise anyone wants to partake in though
Personally, I don't see what's the big deal. These are just modern adventure games.
Metalmurphy
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This is true for what, 2 or 3 characters? Which clearly sound french, worst of all being the hooker. What exactly is wrong with the leads?
Is this where I'll "once again be unable to respond to any of them."? Oh wait, you beat me to it. I can now redirect that to anything you say about the Walking Dead because I can't possibly care about another zombie cliche story/event.
I played it after the patch so no, I wasn't aware. But it seems this happens when people shutdown the PS3 instead of quitting, or the PS3 freezes. Also it was patched fast.