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I don't know why people ITT are using Bill Maher as a tool to complain about perceived purity tests of Liberals.

He's actually not that liberal or progressive. He's actually a pretty shitty human being.

If that's the hill you want to die on though.

He is just about the only national mainstream voice that is for universal single payer healthcare, marijuana legalization, and cutting military spending. All of those ideas are pretty liberal/progressive.

Is it really worth losing the only damn national figure that liberals have in order prove purity?
 
Like I said before...

time to end Chris Rock's career
Howard Stern
Louis CK
Seinfeld
Sarah Silverman
Larry David

Let's go back 30 years and start combing though every statement and get people fired! Seems like a great use of our time. Meanwhile Trump is busy doing real damage to everyone.

Can you imagine when everyone currently discovering old Maher shows gets around to discovering old Howard Stern shows? Holy shit when that happens.

George Takei was mentioned earlier. Here's Takei on Stern telling the story that was talked about earlier in the thread about him having sex at 14 with an older man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW4X-3QJHJA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Oxy0B7s7Yw

They just laugh and joke about it the whole time. It was a different world for comedians even 10 years ago, let alone 1998.
 
He is just about the only national mainstream voice that is for universal single payer healthcare, marijuana legalization, and cutting military spending. All of those ideas are pretty liberal/progressive.

Is it really worth losing the only damn national figure that liberals have in order prove purity?

At the expense of bigotry against muslims and LGBTQ people, yes, it is.
 
MAHER: Mary Kay Letourneau, the teacher from Seattle, who is in jail because she is in love. That's how I view it.

(audience laughter)

I admit that it's unorthodox. She is 35, the boy is 14. He was younger when they started. But the big story is...

GUEST: Had he been bar mitzvahed?

MAHER: Have I...?

GUEST: No, has he?

MAHER: Oh...ok.

(audience laughter)

MAHER: But she is pregnant again.That was the story this week. This is the second child by this boy, so basically they're having a family and they're keeping the mother in jail because she won't conform to what society feels should be the perfect American family.

GUEST:
(sarcastic) Yeah. Yeah, that's perfect.

GUEST 2: Absolutely sickening.

MAHER: What is sickening?

GUEST 2: A woman who's over 20 years older and she raped this kid.

MAHER: Raped?

GUEST 2: Well...

MAHER: C'mon.

(audience laughter)

GUEST 2: She forced...

MAHER: She forced? How do you know and how can you?

GUEST 2: How do you know that she didn't rape him? How do you know that she didn't seduce him?

MAHER: How can a woman rape a man?

GUEST 3: I think an older woman can manipulate a young kid and I don't think it's really healthy. I don't think it's healthy for a kid who's going to be 14 with two kids out in the world. I think the children will grow up fairly damaged. I think that kid's going to grow up fairly damaged.

MAHER: So you're on (GUEST 2's) side?

GUEST 3: Yeah.

MAHER: (quickly) Ok.

(audience laughter)

Good lord.
 
He is just about the only national mainstream voice that is for universal single payer healthcare, marijuana legalization, and cutting military spending. All of those ideas are pretty liberal/progressive.

Is it really worth losing the only damn national figure that liberals have in order prove purity?

Yes it is. Maher is extremely sexist, rabidly Islamophobic and an absolute loon on food and medical issues.

He does my side of the aisle no good and I wish he would just fuck off and fade into obscurity.
 
It's only rape if it's a girl. That's what some people think and it's very wrong. While sexual desire starts to manifest as young 11 years old, doesn't mean they can handle it physiologically. A lot of these kids are abused and it's never about love or a relationship from the adult prospective.
 
Here's the thing. You can say Bill Maher is an imperfect individual who says some bad things and some good things. And that completely writing him off is wrong.

But let's, say, you're a muslim? Are you wrong for completely writing him off then? Are you wrong for not taking into consideration all of the other supposedly good views that he has? Are you supposed to just suck up the idea that he's pretty offended at your very existence?

And if you say: "Well it's okay for Muslims to not like him", what does that say about you? You're giving him a pass because he's not talking shit about you. Him being shitty to other groups of people is A-OK, because he, largely, says things that you agree with.

What does that say about you?

Well, lets look at South Park.

You'd be hard pressed to find someone who hasn't been the subject of ridicule from at least one episode of south park. Does that mean one should write off the entire show?

Keep in mind that we're talking about entertainers here. Not politicians.
 
i am not a fan of bill

but these kinds of jokes and comments were socially acceptable back on then for the case of a teen boy and an older woman

edgy and straddling the line, yes, so basically something a comedian would say to get a shock reaction from the audience

the "nice" episode of south park is from 2006, and the reason it was made, was to bring up how comments like that are actually not acceptable and call attention to how widespread they were

when judging comments like these, one should account for the zeitgeist at the time they were made

we should judge him for all the vile shit he says about muslims and trans people today, rather than for these comments from over a decade ago
 
Well, lets look at South Park.

You'd be hard pressed to find someone who hasn't been the subject of ridicule from at least one episode of south park. Does that mean one should write off the entire show?

I thought we were talking about actual people, but yeah if people want to write off South Park, then, yeah that's fine.

i am not a fan of bill

but these kinds of jokes and comments were socially acceptable back on then for the case of a teen boy and an older woman

edgy and straddling the line, yes, so basically something a comedian would say to get a shock reaction from the audience

the "nice" episode of south park is from 2006, and the reason it was made, was to bring up how comments like that are actually not acceptable and call attention to how widespread they were

when judging comments like these, one should account for the zeitgeist at the time they were made

we should judge him for all the vile shit he says about muslims and trans people today, rather than for these comments from over a decade ago

We can do both
 
I don't know why people ITT are using Bill Maher as a tool to complain about perceived purity tests of Liberals.

He's actually not that liberal or progressive. He's actually a pretty shitty human being.

If that's the hill you want to die on though.

Yeah calling anger over this a "purity test" is mad disingenuous. "It's unacceptable to think that women can't rape men" is a totally reasonable line to draw in the sand.

Meanwhile, there are tons of reasons beyond this one to mislike Bill Maher.
 
Here's the thing. You can say Bill Maher is an imperfect individual who says some bad things and some good things. And that completely writing him off is wrong.

But let's, say, you're a muslim? Are you wrong for completely writing him off then? Are you wrong for not taking into consideration all of the other supposedly good views that he has? Are you supposed to just suck up the idea that he's pretty offended at your very existence?

And if you say: "Well it's okay for Muslims to not like him", what does that say about you? You're giving him a pass because he's not talking shit about you. Him being shitty to other groups of people is A-OK, because he, largely, says things that you agree with.

What does that say about you?

Not sure if you were talking to me 'cause I haven't read the thread ): but these are excellent questions.
 
That 2007 interview should be in the OP since it's more recent and much worse. It really destroys most of the defenses in this thread.
 
The focus on Maher's comments from 20 years ago when he said some truly awful shit last Friday baffles me. People change in 20 years. People don't change over a weekend.
 
He is just about the only national mainstream voice that is for universal single payer healthcare, marijuana legalization, and cutting military spending. All of those ideas are pretty liberal/progressive.

Is it really worth losing the only damn national figure that liberals have in order prove purity?

Bill Mahar is hardly the beacon for any of those things. Mahar never gets so much as a comment from any social group I've been around in years. Jon Stewart, John Oliver, and plenty of others are out there and have been out there as national figures, Bill Mahar is practically a caricature who at best provides a platform for actual voices worth hearing. So no, losing him would be no loss at all, I've been surprised for years he's still around.
 
The focus on Maher's comments from 20 years ago when he said some truly awful shit last Friday baffles me. People change in 20 years. People don't change over a weekend.

He kept those exact same view points up until at least 2007. So it's more like 10 years ago, if that.
 
Well same thing from Takei
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I think this is very different.
 
Well same thing from Takei
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Haven't gone through the whole thread to see if you dug up something more, but this is about his own experience, and doesn't relate to other people at all.

Milo, and Maher in these older comments, used their personal experiences to justify/lessen/normalise the actions of others on others. They don't get to do that.
 
He kept those exact same view points up until at least 2007. So it's more like 10 years ago, if that.

Society changed in this area more so since 2007 than it did between 1998 and 2007. 2007 was around the time of that South Park episode, the Stern clips I posted above, and back when similar comments would have been accepted here.
 
Again, pedophiles are sexually attracted to prepubescent children. This boy fathered children with her... he's not prepubescent.
Paedophile, ephebophile... It's still disgusting. It's still taking advantage of a minor. It's still illegal. There shouldn't be a difference in the punishments for either, in my view. It's indefensible.
 
Yes it is. Maher is extremely sexist, rabidly Islamophobic and an absolute loon on food and medical issues.

He does my side of the aisle no good and I wish he would just fuck off and fade into obscurity.

You really think he does your side of the aisle no good? His show is popular as hell and is one of the very few outlets that people can tune to and see some discussion of progressive ideas. Lots of people tune in to his show just to keep up with the crazy shit that is going on with the right. There are so many great voices with no outlet that people discover solely through his show.

You get rid of that and what do you have? The left has no mainstream radio presence, no television presence, pretty much nothing. And a big reason for that is that nobody can pass the test on you start digging.
 
Disgusting and incredibly close minded.

OT but I chuckled at "Henry Rollins, musician"
 
AV Club is now hoping HBO will cancel their show. Did I miss the memo on hating Bill Maher now? Did I hear it wrong when Bill Maher said he said Milo was very wrong on almost everything?
 
Let's keep the problematic white man for introducing you to colored folk you otherwise wouldn't have bothered to discover on your own.

Riveting.

Excuse me for not being enlightened like you seem to be.

AV Club is now hoping HBO will cancel their show. Did I miss the memo on hating Bill Maher now?

Yes the channel that airs Hookers on the Point, Real Sex, and Bunny ranch show is going to cancel Bill Maher
 
Man, I really fucking hate the idea that a man can not be rapped. Even if that teen/preteen/child is heterosexual and male that does not mean they want to be touched in that way. That kind of generalization is dangerous, and ignorant
 
AV Club is now hoping HBO will cancel their show. Did I miss the memo on hating Bill Maher now? Did I hear it wrong when Bill Maher said he said Milo was wrong on almost everything?
Trying to get Maher fired for comments?..... I'm having post-9/11 flashbacks. We've been down this road before.

I'm not on this bandwagon. People are taking his tepid rejection of Milo as a green light to destroy him. Not into it.
 
He is just about the only national mainstream voice that is for universal single payer healthcare, marijuana legalization, and cutting military spending. All of those ideas are pretty liberal/progressive.

Is it really worth losing the only damn national figure that liberals have in order prove purity?

Eh, those are all things my Libertarian friend believe in too so I wouldn't call those strictly liberal/progressive.
 
Here's the thing. You can say Bill Maher is an imperfect individual who says some bad things and some good things. And that completely writing him off is wrong.

But let's, say, you're a muslim? Are you wrong for completely writing him off then? Are you wrong for not taking into consideration all of the other supposedly good views that he has? Are you supposed to just suck up the idea that he's pretty offended at your very existence?

And if you say: "Well it's okay for Muslims to not like him", what does that say about you? You're giving him a pass because he's not talking shit about you. Him being shitty to other groups of people is A-OK, because he, largely, says things that you agree with.

What does that say about you?

Should Liberals support the right of Bill Maher to exercise and vocalize his Islamaphobic beliefs?

Should Liberals support the right of Muslims to exercise and vocalize their homophobic beliefs?

What happens when your purity tests are at odds with each other?
 
Society changed in this area more so since 2007 than it did between 1998 and 2007. 2007 was around the time of that South Park episode, the Stern clips I posted above, and back when similar comments would have been accepted here.
I highly doubt his view points have changed there's a clear understandable reason for his comments that he himself used as a defence. The guy regularly engages in relationships 30 years his younger and thus feels like a hypocrite condeming a relationship with an age difference of 20. That's not some these were different times back that's how can I feel comfortable doing what I'm doing while condeming these guys. Regardless of any arguements about the differences of the two that's how he felt about it.

Those sorts of view points are a bit more difficult to simply change.
 
Bill Mahar is hardly the beacon for any of those things. Mahar never gets so much as a comment from any social group I've been around in years. Jon Stewart, John Oliver, and plenty of others are out there and have been out there as national figures, Bill Mahar is practically a caricature who at best provides a platform for actual voices worth hearing. So no, losing him would be no loss at all, I've been surprised for years he's still around.


Maher's show isn't half as good as Stewarts but throughout the decades there hasn't existed any other show as good as Maher's, except for Meet the Press when Tim Russert was in charge (which was also superior) and other people definitely tried.

Russert is dead and Stewart is retired.

It's foolish to say his removal wouldn't have any impact on what little high level discourse exists. It's kind of sad that it's so hard for others to break through in this area. The solo monologues many others rely on doesn't cut it.
 
Should Liberals support the right of Bill Maher to exercise and vocalize his Islamaphobic beliefs?

Should Liberals support the right of Muslims to exercise and vocalize their homophobic beliefs?

What happens when your purity tests are at odds with each other?

Please, tell me more. All Muslims have homophobic beliefs? This is news to me

I also find it funny how only one side is propping up this "purity test" strawman. If you see being a less shitty person as "being pure", I mean...okay?
 
Here's the thing. You can say Bill Maher is an imperfect individual who says some bad things and some good things. And that completely writing him off is wrong.

But let's, say, you're a muslim? Are you wrong for completely writing him off then? Are you wrong for not taking into consideration all of the other supposedly good views that he has? Are you supposed to just suck up the idea that he's pretty offended at your very existence?


I seriously doubt he is offended by your very existence.
 
Trying to get Maher fired for comments?..... I'm having post-9/11 flashbacks. We've been down this road before.

I'm not on this bandwagon. People are taking his tepid rejection of Milo as a green light to destroy him. Not into it.

Man, hearing Larry Willmore tell Milo to go fuck himself was amazing. It's the reason I watch this show - things like that'll happen and they're so great.

Wilmore said is best - "I would never drop out of a show because someone was on that I didn't agree with. For me personally, that would be the reason to stay on the show."

The people who were upset that Maher didn't pull a lever to lower Milo into a lava pit are not familiar with how that show is run. Their hysterics also feed into the troll-existence that is Milo.

I'm not on this bandwagon of this manufactured Maher protest either. I'm still going to watch.

Also, Wilmore saying "he can talk circles around your pathetic, douchey little ass from England, alright?" was also incredible.
 
ya'll are late to the party for tossing maher in the bushes, should've done it during any number of his deeply islamaphobic, transphobic etc rants

Folks sleep on Henry Rollins but he is pretty smart

this is the real takeaway here, yeah
loved his short live show & enjoy his spoken word stuff, been meaning to read solipsist forever now
 
Has this been posted yet?

Basically arguing that Maher needs to evolve. Booking Lahren, Morgan, and Milo all in the past month has felt like a desperate grab for relevancy.

Going to stand by my comments in previous threads- when he's working with a scripted piece like New Rules, there are few better pundits. New Rules on Friday dealt with the abandonment of decency that being a Republican allows bigots to get away with, and it was on fucking point. However, he falls apart whenever he engages in debate.

The NYT piece pretty much address this.

Since the start of your new season, you have had other guests like Tomi Lahren and Piers Morgan — not nearly as provocative, but with whom liberal viewers aren’t likely to agree. Are you trying to create conflict on your panels, or rile up your audience?

I’ve never tried to push anybody’s buttons. I think everybody else in TV — everybody else who does political commentary in a comedic way — they’re all in one box. It’s so predictable, what they’re going to do, which is, never say anything that would make anything — that would make any liberal give the slightest bit of discomfort. I do a show about what’s happening that week in the news. Trump is president. I’m glad that we have enough credibility with both sides, that people who are Trump supporters will still do the show.

Going back to “Politically Incorrect,” you booked conservatives like Ann Coulter and Kellyanne Conway ——

And Laura Ingraham. We had a whole cadre of blond conservatives. There was a fourth woman conservative we used to book in those days, who we kind of discovered — her name was Arianna Huffington.

Even after your experience with Milo, do you still want to have guests your viewers haven’t encountered or might want to avoid?

Yes. I like people who push the limits. I like people who are not afraid to take the slings and arrows, because they’re going to explore what’s on the edge. Now, is this guy over the edge? Yes. I mean, he’s a little cuckoo. But I would rather err on that side than on the side where everybody else is.

As was said in the previous (now closed) thread, you don't have to agree with everything the guy says -- and I clearly don't -- to see there's value and entertainment being provided.
 
Just like they have a clear, unambiguous stance to kill all infidels, right?

Nobody said that, don't be disingenuous and pretend there isn't a large disconnect between core Islamic teachings and core Liberal principles especially with regards to sexuality.
 
Jeez, what a scumbag.

"Is it possible for a woman to rape a man?"

This is beyond disgusting. That's also ignoring the fact that the kid was 14.

Btw. The left doesn't lose much if Maher were to fall off the face of the Earth. There are far more engaging, funny, intelligent, and non-islamophobic figures in the media we can look to in order to fill the gap he leaves, if he leaves any. Right off the top of my head I can name John Oliver, Samantha Bee, and Trevor Noah, who have Maher beaten by lightyears.
 
Jeez, what a scumbag.

"Is it possible for a woman to rape a man?"

This is beyond disgusting. That's also ignoring the fact that the kid was 14.

Btw. The left doesn't lose much if Maher were to fall off the face of the Earth. There are far more engaging, funny, intelligent, and non-islamophobic figures in the media we can look to in order to fill the gap he leaves, if he leaves any. Right off the top of my head I can name John Oliver, Samantha Bee, and Trevor Noah, who have Maher beaten by lightyears.

12 when the abuse began!
 
Bill Maher can go fuck himself. His views are literal cancer doesn't matter that he has some progressive views when he is a sexist and Islamophobic piece of shit.
 
Just like they have a clear, unambiguous stance to kill all infidels, right?

Jesus Christ, do you hear yourself?

Maher has never said this. I always enjoy reading these hyperbolic statements because it becomes clear who is on the bandwagon, who clearly has no fucking idea what they're talking about.
 
Nobody said that, don't be disingenuous and pretend there isn't a large disconnect between core Islamic teachings and core Liberal principles especially with regards to sexuality.

You're making grandiose claims about the second largest religion in the world without noting the nuance that not everyone practices a particular religion the same.

It's the same islamophobia that Maher peddles. You don't know shit about the people you're talking about.
 
Jeez, what a scumbag.

"Is it possible for a woman to rape a man?"

This is beyond disgusting. That's also ignoring the fact that the kid was 14.

Btw. The left doesn't lose much if Maher were to fall off the face of the Earth. There are far more engaging, funny, intelligent, and non-islamophobic figures in the media we can look to in order to fill the gap he leaves, if he leaves any. Right off the top of my head I can name John Oliver, Samantha Bee, and Trevor Noah, who have Maher beaten by lightyears.
I like all of those media figures, and yet, I'd call them rather toothless in relation to Maher. These are the people that say broadly egalitarian things that appeal to a mainstream liberal base. Maybe that's what you want... but I need someone who's not afraid to ruffle feathers and ask tough questions or it's just milquetoast liberalism to me.

I don't know about you, but the last year has taught me that if liberals don't tackle tricky subjects, the right will pick them up and define them for us.
 
I like all of those media figures, and yet, I'd call them rather toothless in relation to Maher. These are the people that say broadly egalitarian things that appeal to a mainstream liberal base. Maybe that's what you want... but I need someone who's not afraid to ruffle feathers and ask tough questions or it's just milquetoast liberalism to me.

I don't know about you, but the last year has taught me that if liberals don't tackle tricky subjects, the right will pick them up and define them for us.

This is where I stand right now.

I spent all last year watching the Daily Show and Last Week, with an occasional Samantha Bee. Then, after election night, I realized I, like many people, found themselves in a liberal echo chamber.

Real Time seems to scratch that itch of getting a different perspective without surrounding myself with the complete bullshit that is Foxnews or whatever.
 
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