Zen_Arcade
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Bioware is fucking terrible.
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MR ARCADE FOREVER
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I feel the same way, tried dragon age inquisition and can't stand the ugly and dull character design. something about the eyes they can't get it right. The face expressions are just awful
Are you really comparing 20yo games with others that were made in the last 10 years? Wow.
And are you really comparing Sonic: Lost World with DA: I?!
It's ok to not like something, but this is on a whole new level.
MisterShine
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That does make a bit of sense though, the SP portion of NWN was terrible until arguable Shadows of Undrentide, or Hordes. NWN did some very interesting things with multiplayer. I kinda miss it.
Apologies, I didn't mean to suggest that they were considered perfect, only that those games were very well regarded for their time and still generally today. KOTOR is only iffy by today's standards, and in relation to its sequel. But, everything looks kind of shit compared to The Sith Lords, so I feel that's not fair =P
Schweinehund
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Ok this makes more sense. I'll definitely move it up on my backlog then.
Links_fantasy
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If you don't like their games don't keep buying them and whining about it. I think the Mass Effect games helped define the last generation and I loved Dragon Age Origins and am nearly 100 hours into DA Inquisition and loving it. Jade Empire was also a great game in my opinion that needs a sequel. I also love jrpg's but the Bioware and Fallout games are my favourite western RPG's out their. Also which other company tackles gender diversity and sexuality in a respectful manner? They should be commended for extending the boundaries of society and allowing non dudebros something they can perhaps relate to more.
Bioware, like any company, isn't perfect. There's always room to grow and get better; I just wish they had more direct competition in their particular niche, but the costs involved in doing something like that are likely prohibitive. I guess the Witcher's one of the closest things out there, but I never really got into that series.
swazzyswess
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Bioware's writing is still way, way better than most developers. OP needs some perspective.
Coffee Dog
Banned
That doesn't make their writing not shit.
FutureZombie
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I feel the same way, tried dragon age inquisition and can't stand the ugly and dull character design. something about the eyes they can't get it right. The face expressions are just awful
That picture is the opposite of what you wrote. Good character design and the eyes look great.
I feel more like they exploit it.
Meh I personally liked Dragon Age: Inquisition. Of course my expectations being very low after DA2 and ME3 might have had something to do with it. It also helps that WRPGs or CRPGs or what ever you want to call them are making a come back so i don't need to rely on Bioware or Bethesda to get my fix. So yeah I can be happy going into a Bioware RPG expecting a Bioware RPG and not for them to have changed their minds and gone back to the good old days. All i expect from a Bioware RPG is some interesting characters and some funny banter. Similar to how I go into a Bethesda RPG expecting nothing more then an open world that modders will go to town on and make great.
That's crazy talk. Neverwinter Nights 2 was still better then DA2, but it is probably Obsidian's weakest game.
That's crazy talk. Neverwinter Nights 2 was still better then DA2, but it is probably Obsidian's weakest game.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
That's my point. Listing Kotor, ME1, Baldur's Gate and NWN and saying "Nope, Bioware is pretty good" is pointless cause those games are old.
Mass Effect 3, TOR, Dragon Age 2 and Dragon Age: Inquisition are their most recent games and I don't think any of them is particularly good.
Not all are aweful but at best they are mediocre in my opinion.
And yes, I would compare DA:I with Lost World. They are both decent games (at least I though people thought LW was decent, judging from your reaction I might have mistaken the game with some other game) nothing more, nothing less.
Coffee Dog
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A respectful manner? Everyone in dragon age 2 is bisexual. That's insulting.
I didn't know the game only had 4 characters.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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In movement doesn't look very hot
Werewolf Jones
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Some of KotoR and ME was pretty engaging stuff but from what I played of DA:O their fantasy stuff could really do with some heavy re-working. Haven't played DA:I to say if it has improved however.
iShouldGoPro
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Haha this is splendid. Can we close the thread now? The dagger has been thrown
Coffee Dog
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Oh, stop. You know damn well I meant every love interest.
BennyBlanco
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I don't know, to me that stuff felt incredibly hamfisted and shoehorned in. I would say their writing style in general always feels stilted and awkward.
I have zero knowledge of which Sonic games are considered good/bad so I have absolutely no idea of the validity of your remark.
Also we are not discussing a single game series. We are talking about Bioware on a whole, and Dragon Age: Inquisition shows that they can still make good games, even if they are falling into the bad habits many other developers of this day and age are.
Out of a party of nine, I fail to see the insult.
Deified Data
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Chances are that he hasn't actually played it and is feeding off of Neogaf's small but very loud hate train.
For all the dumb tropes and shit that Mass Effect 1 had, its still the best game Ive played from Bioware and the only one I liked. Didnt care for DA 1 and 2 (the little ive played of 3 did not win me over). Mass Effect 2 and 3 were too busy rushing towards the lowest common denominator. Kotor bored the hell out of me. Once I got to the sith planet I couldnt stand it anymore and quit.
Probably the reason ME 1 was so good was because I boogied with garrus and wrex fucking people up and having a grand old time.
Probably the reason ME 1 was so good was because I boogied with garrus and wrex fucking people up and having a grand old time.
MisterShine
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I view them very similarly. They both have half a cast of interesting characters, and real heart deep down. They each tried to do some interesting things that falls flat on their face. Pretty much everything about it kind of sucks and drags it down, but it has that soul I can appreciate.
Obviously I'm not including Mask of the Betrayer here.
Make sure you grab the banter pack mods. They make the game feel much more lively with your companions (and they're compatible with the EE versions, if you have those).
hemtae
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NWN 2 OC was a lot better than Dragon Age 2. I thought NWN2 would have the worst combat in a RTwP RPG until DA2 blew it out of the water. DS3 was completely unspectacular. Not great like New Vegas but not horrible like DA2.
And they did it by massively reducing the complexity, scope, and quantity of content from their previous games.
Omotesando
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I think I have fond memories of KOTOR: great writing, humor, characters and stories and most of all a great rendition of the Star Wars universe.
But I also remember the combat in that game was broken. I remember I had stopped caring about the gameplay after 20 hours or so and in the last chapters I even got irritated by it.
But overall I enjoyed the game for the story and characters, I even bought KOTOR 2 just to delve back into that amazing world. But here I was dreading the gameplay from the start and really had to grind my way to the end.
For this same reason I never finnished DA Origins, I got to the last town and just stopped playing. I have bought DA Inquisition and I have noticed the gameplay didn't improve. The chance Inquisition will get any playtime from me now is slim to none.
I wish Bioware start hiring some fresh new talent to work on the RPG combat and start from scratch.
But I also remember the combat in that game was broken. I remember I had stopped caring about the gameplay after 20 hours or so and in the last chapters I even got irritated by it.
But overall I enjoyed the game for the story and characters, I even bought KOTOR 2 just to delve back into that amazing world. But here I was dreading the gameplay from the start and really had to grind my way to the end.
For this same reason I never finnished DA Origins, I got to the last town and just stopped playing. I have bought DA Inquisition and I have noticed the gameplay didn't improve. The chance Inquisition will get any playtime from me now is slim to none.
I wish Bioware start hiring some fresh new talent to work on the RPG combat and start from scratch.
I still have no idea what you meant by the 'art game GOTY'.
You're gonna quote a fucking dictionary at me and pretend like the word 'exploit' doesn't have multiple definitions?
Coffee Dog
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So do you think it's just a coincidence, or...?
And thread....
Deified Data
Banned
You're gonna quote a fucking dictionary at me and pretend like the word 'exploit' doesn't have multiple definitions?
Could you describe how it's use benefits Bioware unfairly, though? At the expense of who?
Why do you find the amount of bisexuals in DA2 offensive?
Doctor Decimate
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well that's the point. this is one of the things people really seem to latch onto with BioWare games, and it's something that's pretty miniscule in the grand scheme of it all. to see them out there peddling this as a selling point is kind of sad, and i think it speaks for how the rest of the content compares.
Garrett Hawke
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You not liking their games which are critically held in high regard by the majority of people =/= fucking terrible devs, sorry. Maybe if their games were universally derided your statement would have some value but it really does seem like they're just not for you.
Also, BioWare is one of the few devs that actively seems to put effort into diversity and representation so kudos to them for that.
Also, BioWare is one of the few devs that actively seems to put effort into diversity and representation so kudos to them for that.
swazzyswess
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As someone with a graduate degree in literature, I've seen people argue that anyone from Faulkner to Hemingway to Morrison to Chaucer is shit. Opinions like that are usually pointless contrarianism; in the context of videogames, talking about Bioware having "shit" writing fits that description. Every Bioware game has at least several well-rounded, realistic characters with complex, multi-layered motivations that are expressed a believable manner. That alone makes it among the best developers when it comes to writing, and something other developers should aspire to. You may not enjoy their plot arcs, and that's fine, but that's a much more subjective response than just looking at their writing mechanics and attention to detail.
Coffee Dog
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Which? DA2's party members are fuckawful. Merrill is probably tied with ME1 Liara for one of the worst they've ever done.
Garrett Hawke
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How is that insulting?
figadapaura
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Their writing can be pretty terrible at times, but I love them anyway.
They do decent characters. Their plotting ranges from competent (Mass Effect 1) to non-existent (just about everything afterwards). My biggest disappointment with ME series was that we never actually finished the story we started; instead we went on what felt like a completely different universe, cast, plot, etc. for the sequels.
Moving to consoles isn't the problem; it's that it gave them an excuse to be lazy.
something like New Vegas is on consoles. Hell, KOTOR is on consoles. you can make ambitious, well-rounded games within the limitations of consoles.
Because I feel like their use of sexuality as a defining character trait is overly pervasive. It feels like they're trying to meet a "Diversity quota".
It doesn't come off as natural sexuality, to me. It just feels forced.
It could just be more subtle. Every character in a BioWare game wears their sexuality on their sleeve in a way that doesn't feel believable, to me.
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