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BioWare Talks About Dragon Age 3's Direction
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MuddyDonut
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It still shocks me that they took things out of the first game, even though the first game sold well enough to NOT warrant anything being taken out in a sequel. If anything they should, y'know add more...
goodfella said:
This has always rubbed me the wrong way. They knew all of this shit before the game launched, hell, they even pushed pre-orders so much harder due to that, like the signature edition promotion fiasco. One thing is saving face after the "mixed response" and another completely is the "we tried to innovate and failed guys, but will get it right next time" attitude which seems rather insulting.
MuddyDonut said:
From what I've heard, they never had much hopes for DA:O selling well, it was more of a: 'we have had this project in the burner for 6 years now so let's release it and will fix stuff in DA2.' Then of course, DA2 was rushed to meet the end of the FY cus SWTOR and ME 3 are coming out.
Meh, I'm getting too emotional and Nirolak said no bitching so I'm out.
Servizio
I don't really need a tag, but I figured I'd get one to make people jealous. Is it working?
Xater said:
I wouldn't count on that actually, I think EA has their own quality assurance team go over titles before they publish them. An Obsidian/EA team up might actually be pretty spiffy in that regard.
Infamous Chris
Banned
You know what's the BEST thing that can happen to DA3?
Bioware telling EA to go fuck themselves and signing with Bethesda or something.
Seriously.
Bioware telling EA to go fuck themselves and signing with Bethesda or something.
Seriously.
lastplayed
Member
No Hawke or Warden I can live with, just give us race options again!
Infamous Chris
Banned
Xater said:
It's very possible...
in my dreams.
At least he acknowledges the many shortcomings of the game. Still, I can't really trust them. Some of his answers are ridiculous. They knew all these changes were horrible but still went ahead with DA II? He basically admitted that the reusing of assets was a terrible idea and how the wave system was poorly implemented. Moreover they seem dead on serious on still having a wave system for III.
I think it's quite easy to find the answer to that problem. Encounters with a limited number of enemies with precise stats require tweaking so that the fight is challenging and that you need to carefully position your party members and use their skills to win. It takes a lot of time to tweak those while simply sending waves of thrash mobs is much easier to do. Same with choices that have a meaning.
With the EA dev cycle, they will probably have to release the game early 2013 so it will be another mess.
As for the series itself maybe they should try to have the titles much more connected to each others. If I am to play a random stranger in III I sure hope I will get to know what happened to Morrigan, Flemeth, Hawker my Warden and all the other characters. On that front, the ME series is definitely superior.
I think it's quite easy to find the answer to that problem. Encounters with a limited number of enemies with precise stats require tweaking so that the fight is challenging and that you need to carefully position your party members and use their skills to win. It takes a lot of time to tweak those while simply sending waves of thrash mobs is much easier to do. Same with choices that have a meaning.
With the EA dev cycle, they will probably have to release the game early 2013 so it will be another mess.
As for the series itself maybe they should try to have the titles much more connected to each others. If I am to play a random stranger in III I sure hope I will get to know what happened to Morrigan, Flemeth, Hawker my Warden and all the other characters. On that front, the ME series is definitely superior.
Nirolak said:
This may just be the cynic in me, but I interpreted this as:
"After DAO we saw the explosive praise Mass Effect 2 got, and decided that DA2 needed it's "Shepard". A character where all you customize is the face, but has an identity. Turns out, DAO fans don't want that at all, so....uh...we're going back to race changes in DA3. But yeah, it was totally our plan all along for you to inhabit different characters in every entry in the franchise, never mind that people didn't like Hawke."
Confidence Man
Member
Unless they come right out and say "We're making the sequel to Origins that you thought you'd be getting in Dragon Age 2, we're going back to Awakening and using that as a baseline from which we'll build a classic hardcore PC-focused RPG" they can all fuck off and disappear.
FieryBalrog
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LovingSteam said:
Derrick01 said:
Cinematic. Cinematic happened to bioware.
I also like how they seem to think the best part of BG2 was the romances.
Shrinnan said:
It was always supposed to be
FieryBalrog
Member
inky said:
*smashes fist into wall*
CrankyKong
Member
Put isometric view back into the PC version!
What a load of crap. Legacy didn't fix any of DA2's problems. Environments still look bland and repetitious and waves of enemies still spawn in the middle of combat.
The wave-based combat is what I hated the most about DA2. DA is supposed to be a tactical RPG. It's kind of hard to be tactical and plan ahead when you have no idea how many or what types of enemies you'll be facing. I have no idea why they went with such a retarded design choice. They should go back to DAO-style combat encounters where in 99% of fights, you'd see every enemy you'd be fighting at the start of the fight.
The wave-based combat is what I hated the most about DA2. DA is supposed to be a tactical RPG. It's kind of hard to be tactical and plan ahead when you have no idea how many or what types of enemies you'll be facing. I have no idea why they went with such a retarded design choice. They should go back to DAO-style combat encounters where in 99% of fights, you'd see every enemy you'd be fighting at the start of the fight.
The waves are definitely not the same as the main game. The encounters have many, many, many more simultaneous enemies in Legacy than anything in the main game. Sometimes new enemies do spawn, but it's not in every single encounter like before. More commonly, they do just spawn every enemy at once. I was actually irritated by this at first because I built my group specifically around the wave idea, and had to change some stuff in order to play Legacy more effectively. Of course, it was a good change; my group just wasn't prepared for it.Jerykk said:
ShockingAlberto
Member
I don't know that I would call DA2 polished.
The posts from the developer sound encouraging but words alone are not sufficient to get my faith back. At least I guess I expect DA3 to be better than DA2. But just being better than DA2 is not that hard to accomplish, I don't necessarilly expect it to be better than the first game.
Nirolak said:
Bar Dancing minigame: like ME2 infamous cutscene but with wooden Grey Warden dancer.
Cave Mining minigame: No need to go in the same cave over and over, use magic to search 3D model of the cave for material and resources,you can upgrade for faster mining.
AutoLog (DragonLog)an innovative new social interaction system, beat your Xbox live friend time on killing Dragons and completing quests,on the Dragonlog feed see which character your friend is romancing and achievements he got int the DragonLog feed all fun and accessible((OMGBBQ hire me EA)).
Treemonkeys
Member
I basically ignored everything he said after saying area re-use wasn't intentional or by design.
What did it just accidentally get on the disc?
You can't get more intentional than that, just a bunch of PR bullshit which probably means DA3 will be another step away from what made the original good.
What did it just accidentally get on the disc?
You can't get more intentional than that, just a bunch of PR bullshit which probably means DA3 will be another step away from what made the original good.
Treemonkeys said:
Not intentional or by design.
It means that he claims that if they were not as time constraint as they were, they wouldn't have done so. It seems they created or more precisely reused more content than they should for their one year development time instead of creating a shorter but better game with less reuse of environments.
Fine Ham Abounds
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Yeah, this unfortunately.Proposed Law said:
black swordsman said:
That is commendable, I suppose.
Either way I feel like I've heard all this before from Mike, though to be fair this was before DA2 came out, so I don't expect him to shit on his game before release. However, to be completely honest, I don't really trust the guy.
I'm not giving up on the Dragon Age series just yet, Bioware/Mike. Feel free to prove me wrong.
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
Have they admitted that the repeated areas were because EA has been rushing their projects out the door ever since they allowed themselves to be purchased?
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
I wish they would use that sort of wording to slam EA. It honestly felt like there was a year between DA1/2. It's a miracle they got an extension for ME3.Snuggler said:
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
His point was that that is the best they can do for acknowledging it since they have no balls/aren't allowed to straight up say it.vaelic said: