spandexmonkey
Banned
Objective based pvp in D3? Why do I get the feeling we're going to see a D3 dota clone?
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Blizzard "goes back to the drawing board" with Diablo 3 PvP
- Thread starter Majine
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What a joke. Blizz really just needs to completely scrap PvP for Diablo. If D3 is a PvE-centric game, then maybe they should just add PvE-centric competitive gameplay elements. Perhaps a ladder system, or a time-attack mode, Horde mode, etc. What is the point of wasting all these resources on a game that clearly has no place in the PvP realm?
I truly fear for the future of Blizzard. They have gone from a smart, design-savvy developer to one that really can't tune in to the relevant interests of current gamers. With all the delays and lack of news with Titan, my guess is that they have another Diablo 3 on their hands. A high-polished game with no focus and significantly outdated gameplay and design.
I truly fear for the future of Blizzard. They have gone from a smart, design-savvy developer to one that really can't tune in to the relevant interests of current gamers. With all the delays and lack of news with Titan, my guess is that they have another Diablo 3 on their hands. A high-polished game with no focus and significantly outdated gameplay and design.
If I had to guess, I would say all the top management at Blizzard have their heads up there own asses, have far too much power, and refuse to listen to anyone as they think they know best.
They are almost certainly too large. How any sort of exciting game development is supposed to come out of a 400 person dev team, I can't imagine. Blizzard remains competent. SC2 MP is pretty great. Panderia is a good WoW expansion, for those that wanted another WoW expansion. D3, well, people call it a piece of shit but that's because the only way to rate games on forums is either, "greatest piece of code ever written" or "irredeemable piece of shit from Satan's hemorrhoid covered asshole." Nothing terrible in there, but pretend Blizzard wasn't one of the most successful, revered, accomplished and beloved game developers of all time. Is there anything in there that sets the gaming world on fire? Anything that revolutionizes a genre?
Blizzard used to be a company that changed the way people played games, period. Now they're just a really good developer cultivating some very successful IPs. Unless something magical happens with Heart of the Swarm, the launch of WoW will remain Blizzard's high water mark. Everything afterwards has been a gradual descent from great to merely very good.
GalacticGravy
Member
This is what happens when you shoehorn super sparkly PvP into what is essentially a PvE experience. WoW has the same issues. It wasn't designed for it, but people insist on trying to force it into some category that it can't fit in.
Sounds a lot like Nintendo...
ThatStupidLion
Member
theres no depth to dueling because theres no depth to the game....
this game hasnt worked from the start no matter how much they try to shoehorn crud into it.
this game hasnt worked from the start no matter how much they try to shoehorn crud into it.
DragonSworne
Banned
Sounds a lot like off topic
I honestly think the blame can all be placed on Activision and Call of Duty. It seems like Blizzard is trying to turn Diablo PvP into Call of Duty
Forsaken82
Member
I wholly suspect some MOBA Lite multiplayer to emerge from this.
KojiKnight
Member
This may seem hyperbolic and vitriolic... till you realize that Blizzard killed his puppy then ate it in front of him.
Imp the Dimp
Member
People still play this trainwreck?
Does this really describe Blizzard though? Shouldn't we have expected that? I always felt their appeal was just super polishing somebody else's idea and bringing robust infrastructure that only a company like they could afford (something like Battle.net) to do.
WickedCobra03
Member
The always online thing killed it for me. There is really no reason for it other than Blizzard just trying to for itself. I hope this just sets another nail in the coffin. D3 is an alright game from what I played from friends (maybe 3 or 4 hours), but it just didn't seem as big and amazing as the Diablo 1 or Diablo II.
Gentleman Jack
Member
That sounds like a lot of fun. Diablo Heroes that don't gain levels or experience outside of the moba ladders and items don't carry over from PvE, the Auction House or match to match? Sign me up!
DragonSworne
Banned
Yes, I have logged over 500 hours into Diablo 3 and have logged in just this morning. It's my GOTY.
Interfectum
Gold Member
Blizzard seems scared of their own shadow. Everything they make is so vanilla and squeaky clean on the surface but rather dull and uninspired underneath.
I can only imagine how safe and vanilla "Titan" is going to be coupled with tons of little 'reward systems' to make you feel good about yourself.
I can only imagine how safe and vanilla "Titan" is going to be coupled with tons of little 'reward systems' to make you feel good about yourself.
Yes, definitely a topic for another thread. I have no problem with Blizzard turning Diablo PvP into Call of Duty. CoD is a solid online experience; it doesn't reinvent the wheel, but it can be great fun. Personally, I just don't even see how they'll get that far with D3.
zerokoolpsx
Member
Straight to the point.
Interfectum
Gold Member
Yes it does. Sure Blizzard hasn't really been the company to set the world on fire with new ideas (gameplay or themes) but the way they design games has always been a game changer. World of Warcraft completely nuked the MMO market. Starcraft became an esports phenomenon. Personally, Diablo 2 carried me through high school and college almost single-handedly. The list goes on.
Blizzard seems to be stuck in some weird, safe rut with post-Wrath WoW expansions, Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3. They are all good in their own way but they all feel forced. Like if you dump enough money and iteration into these games you can recreate that spark but they aren't quite reaching their past achievements. It doesn't feel like Blizzard... it feels like a company with a lot of money attempting to be Blizzard.
Lord Phol
Member
Well said, there's no sensation quite like the one you feel when you're barely alive, with just a sliver of health standing over someone elses corpse after an intense spontaneous battle in the wild. This is what World PvP in MMOs should be like IMO, but alas all I ever get is specific zones to duke it out on with rules and other nonsense.
BrLvgThrChmstry
Banned
Really honest question from someone who doesn't play this game. Is Diablo 3 worth playing, considering its price, from a PvE perspective at least? ...I've read as the 'story' mode goes on, it starts to narrow and the become a linear experience in the later acts.
As much as I hate to admit this, I prefer the visual aesthetics of D3 oppose to Torchlight 2 (which is still a great looking game visually). But Torchlight 2 has a lot more going for it in the game mechanics and world exploration department.
As much as I hate to admit this, I prefer the visual aesthetics of D3 oppose to Torchlight 2 (which is still a great looking game visually). But Torchlight 2 has a lot more going for it in the game mechanics and world exploration department.
Interfectum
Gold Member
Here is their problem:
- The PvP in Diablo 3 isn't fun enough by itself and requires a reward system to maintain player interest.
- The PvP is also severely imbalanced in it's current iteration.
If they add a reward system to entice people to play PvP the imbalance would rear its ugly head because then you'd have a flood of players forced into very specific classes/builds to earn the rewards. This would cause a lot of players to be pissed Blizzard is forcing them to play a certain way to win rewards thus making Blizzard look at game balance... something they wanted to avoid in the first place.
fastford58
Member
It's not a problem with PvP. It's a problem with the game. The classes are not balanced as it is in the PvE.
How in the hell do you expect to even the classes out enough to keep combat a mix of skill and gear, rather than gear vs. gear vs. intrinsically strong classes like the Barb.
You can't do it without breaking the game completely as it stands.
How in the hell do you expect to even the classes out enough to keep combat a mix of skill and gear, rather than gear vs. gear vs. intrinsically strong classes like the Barb.
You can't do it without breaking the game completely as it stands.
fluffydelusions
Member
Got to the butcher in nightmare with my demon hunter and said bleh. Deleted my character and uninstalled the game lol. This was at launch so not sure what's been addressed and what hasn't but I didn't feel like picking up the game ever again.
It's a PvE game. PvP will always be secondary. WoW's had the same issues its entire lifespan.
Im_Special
Member
What an incredibly pathetic blog update, they have absolutely nothing which is sad, and dueling in such an anti social game is worthless unless people can browse and join custom games like "PVP barb duels" or whatever.
I love their logic also, Team PVP isn't balanced, therefore it isn't fun. So here's 1v1 duels that aren't balanced. Have fun.
I love their logic also, Team PVP isn't balanced, therefore it isn't fun. So here's 1v1 duels that aren't balanced. Have fun.
I think Blizzard in the late 90s was absolutely a ground breaking developer. Diablo, Starcraft and Battle.net were products without equal that did incredibly interesting things to gaming. People shit on them even then (old dudes who remember SC vs. TA debates say hey), but even if something they did wasn't original it was the best and it made everyone else working in the same arena take notice. SC laid the RTS genre groundwork for 5 years. Battle.net was a template that other developers and publishers emulated during their first tentative steps into casual friendly multiplayer. Diablo didn't really birth a new and dominant genre, but that series was gaming royalty until this year.
The Blizzard that was my favorite developer made cool games. The current Blizzard just makes good games. There's a big difference. A committe and a 500 person dev team can make a good game. They cannot make a cool game. Shareholders don't want cool games.
If that was true it'd already be in game. It's taking long because Blizzard wants it to be good.
Also, can we just stop with the D3 hate already? The game is not a bad game at all.
Only a handful of people who worked on D2 worked on D3. Something like 7 or so people. Diablo 3's biggest issue is the pure shit loot, plain and simple. The affixes are as boring and vanilla as they could have possibly designed. There's absolutely nothing interesting to build around, you don't get a Legendary and think oh hell yeah this has +250 poison damage over 4 seconds I'll be using this for a long time like you would in D2. D3 is objectively one of the worst loot games ever created. Good video game, shit tier loot game.
They monetised the IP because they're greedy and arrogant. That's not even hyperbole. They asked for the grief they're getting.
This isn't just merely the current Diablo 3 Team, this has been Blizzard's philosophy as a whole. That blog post represents everything wrong with modern day Blizzard: Inefficent and misguided.
Dueling should have been in at release, Tean Deathmatch within a few months of release. Instead Dueling is just now coming and they've gone back to the "drawing board", WoW style, for the other PVP aspects.
I think the complete lack of a community feel is it's biggest downfall. No custom searchable lobbies, little synergy between classes, auction house, and of course lack of pvp. Even when they add pvp it likely won't be anything close to D2 due to no lobbies.
Seriously this. D3 hate is getting old and I don't get it at all. People loved D2 and hates on D3 because it's more Diablo? Really what more is there to expect.
Sure stuff was borked at release but now it's a great game with much to offer if you're into the Diablo gameplay. Also really refined.
I'd advise those who were disappointed at launch to give it another go. I did and I'm having a great time with the game now.
Untill my HC char dies...
But that's part of the fun!
eot
Banned
Yeah.
Same thing with boss runs. "People don't like boss runs so we're going to go out of our way to prevent them". Actually, people liked boss runs and they were way more fun than replaying an entire act.
Why is it that when people say "we dont need no stinkin' incentives, we PvP for fun all the time" they always use examples from like 10 years ago.
You cant even play a first person shooter that doesnt have rewards or incentives in some way these days.
Because "ten years ago" you could do just that without dealing with overpowered PvP guards in World of Warcraft.
Can i be game designer ?
Here is my shoot:
Make PvP button. When you hit it you can PvP anytime you want on any level etc. Scrap idea of balancing PvP because stat gear and skill system in Diablo3 is fucking mess and you simply can't upgrade it or fix it.
Making it something other than PvP is bad design choice
Here is my shoot:
Make PvP button. When you hit it you can PvP anytime you want on any level etc. Scrap idea of balancing PvP because stat gear and skill system in Diablo3 is fucking mess and you simply can't upgrade it or fix it.
Making it something other than PvP is bad design choice
King Mystery
Member
Seriously this. D3 hate is getting old and I don't get it at all. People loved D2 and hates on D3 because it's more Diablo? Really what more is there to expect.
Sure stuff was borked at release but now it's a great game with much to offer if you're into the Diablo gameplay. Also really refined.
I'd advise those who were disappointed at launch to give it another go. I did and I'm having a great time with the game now.
Untill my HC char dies...
It's a loot game, but nearly all the loot is shitty. So shitty in fact that you could play 6 hours a day, every day for an entire month and not find any thing interesting for your character.
That fact alone makes D3 hate justified.
edit: I'm talking about at max level of course.
I've posted about it before, but for me it was simply that there was almost no fun to be had with the game, at least in single-player mode. They screwed up the aspects that I held most important in an ARPG game and topped it out with the "DRM" (I can't even begin to describe how annoying it is to have rubberbanding in a single-player game 3 months after the launch when I got the game...for free from a frustrated friend) and RMAH and AH in general seemed like it went further to screw the poor itemization. It's especially frustrating since it had so much untapped potential and that Blizzard quality feel, but it just left me hollow after hours and hours of trying to like the game. And it's not just me getting bored with the genre because just switching to TQ or TL2 felt like a massive improvement.
I've since passed the account forward for free and don't really feel like getting back either even though a few of the patches at least seemed to have improved some parts. PVP's not a thing I'm interested either so I'll just stick to the games I like.