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BLM supporter breaks into cop's house after an FB argument; gets shot dead
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mercenar1e
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Do you know how they're trained to deal with these situations? It looks like he did exactly what's called for in training. If a person doesn't comply they get shot center mass. If this case went to court in any part of the United States nobody would find him guilty.
Because center mass is an easier target than Hollywood style kneecap shots.
If you miss, what if he closes the distance? Better to be safe than sorry.
Does not get much cleaner than this.
What a dumbass. Actions like this severely the cause.
Yup. If you are shooting a gun, you are shooting to kill.
What a dumbass. Actions like this severely the cause.
Yup. If you are shooting a gun, you are shooting to kill.
rokkerkory
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Wth? That was just stupid how do u make things better by breaking into someone's home?
adamsappel
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The guy was mentally ill.
The guy was mentally ill.
The guy was mentally ill.
The guy was mentally ill.
The guy was mentally ill.
The guy was mentally ill.
This isn't to say it was incorrect to shoot him, but that it adds to the tragedy. He didn't do this because he was stupid or angry, he did this because he didn't have the mental clarity not to. Also, we shouldn't use "bipolar" as a catch-all "he's crazy and dangerous!" label.
Ruins what?
I think the story was pretty clear. I think it's pretty clear it states he entered the house and did not respond to requests to leave.
article said:
Of course, it's a separate issue of whether we believe the article. In theory, maybe he was shot outside and dragged in by the shooter. But given the planter through the window and the bipolar, I could see the simple story of him breaking in and being shot as true.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
He ran BLM. These fucks brought the war to us. Jesus, Pope, count the dead...dozens, hypothetically. What's next? Hundreds? BLM have the power to wipe out the entire human race, and if we believe there's even a one percent chance that they are our enemy we have to take it as an absolute certainty... and we have to destroy them.
rokkerkory
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What?
It's a movie reference.
HawksWinStanley
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I'd definitely shoot then.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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It's not a catch-all to get off scot-free either mate. Grey area something something.
It certainly is tragic for everyone involved though.
psynergylover
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That was just not smart......
It's a shame life and the problems in this nation are way too complex for media (social or traditional) to converse about properly. This will get lumped with "BLM vs cops" and not mental issues.
More details coming out, some contradicting and some confirmations.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_91cd9239-6f0f-5ece-8d66-c2ced7841fc4.html
We can mourn the man who died and regret what happened but there wasn't much else the officer could do at that point.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_91cd9239-6f0f-5ece-8d66-c2ced7841fc4.html
While there can be various debate about deadly force, standing ones ground and whatnot for other cases but if someone who is obviously not in a sane set of mind, is shouting and throws a 100 pound piece of concrete through your back door and comes in while your family is hiding inside the house deadly force, hell any force to protect them is absolutely justified in this case.
We can mourn the man who died and regret what happened but there wasn't much else the officer could do at that point.
First rule of gun handling; if the situation has escalated to where a gun is drawn is drawn, you are shooting to incapacitate, usually at the center of mass. For the one being hit by the weapon, this usually means death. Shooting at arms, legs or anything else is Hollywood bullshit. I don't mean to offend, but I wish people would get this idea that a gun can be used non-lethally bullshit out of their heads. If a gun drawn, that means the aggressor is meant to be stopped, period. Lethality is to be sorted out afterwards.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
this cant be real...
people are fucking STUPID
people are fucking STUPID
Beliefs and actions are important though it seems quite often that people only agree with that when it fits their political narrative. The man's mental health matters, his black lives matter support matters, everything matters. The specifics of what was going through this mans head may never be known. Throwing mental health under the bus isn't necessarily fair and just stigmas them more. The ultimate question that I think is much more important and doesn't rely on our perfect knowledge of the unknowable is if the political group seems genuine in condemnation of such actions or considers them a part of their "charter". I think it's pretty clear that BLM is not a hate group and the actions of lone people cannot be traced back to the movement. Come back when there is an explosion of BLM supports deescalating situations through murder and we can talk. The same cannot be said for some pretty mainstream right wing ideologies (Evangelical, factions of Islam, whatever the fuck Trump is etc.)
You think and do a lot of things when you're in a manic state of mind.
Edit: oh and schizophrenia. Yeaaaa
Honest question, is there a person who is "crazy and dangerous" who doesn't fall under some sort of mental illness? I mean, is it wrong to define somebody as crazy if they have a severe mental illness? Is it purely to be sensitive and mindful about hurting the feelings of those with mental illnesses? I guess the crux of my question is, if the term "crazy" isn't intended for people with severe mental illnesses, then who is it intended for?
I'm bipolar, and I know it would be a fucking stupid idea to break into someone's house in a country where you can defend your home with force, especially if you knew the owner was a cop.
And bi-polar does not automatically mean mentally ill to the extent some people in this thread are painting it as. That's fucking insulting.
jakonovski
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No, the gun was one of the main problems here. Like it always is.
Mammoth Jones
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Sad situation all around.
Sorry but you're wrong on this one. That man had every right to protect himself and his family with a gun from a violent intruder. Mental illness or not that's irrelevant when someone is busting in with a clear intent to do harm.
Sorry but you're wrong on this one. That man had every right to protect himself and his family with a gun from a violent intruder. Mental illness or not that's irrelevant when someone is busting in with a clear intent to do harm.
Not sure? He broke into someone's house, by lifting a 100lb item. Dudes family was inside and children, maybe he should have tazed him right? Mace? Maybe have a go at some good old fashion fisticuffs? What would you have done different? You have about 6 seconds to decide because someone just angrily broke into your home.
jakonovski
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The conflict that gave birth to this situation: created in part by guns and certainly made worse by guns. I'm sure a person is really glad to have a gun in Afghanistan too.
So if this officer didn't have a gun how would have it played out? The guy already managed to throw a 100lbs planter through a window and was already 10 feet into the house. He wasn't stopping and cop's family is in a bedroom hiding.
I feel for the victim as he clearly had some sort of episode that caused it as no one with a clear mind would do what he did but this cop had every right to do what he did
17 Seconds
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you hunt people down and break into their homes?
What I would have done differently would be based on actually being there and not assumptions based off of second hand information on the internet.
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Since you asked though I have dealt with dangerous situations with people going through manic episodes. It runs in the family (roughly 20% of one side). Never killed anyone though.
jakonovski
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There are degrees to everything. Also, by definition you have to have mental health issues to do what the guy did. By definition.
17 Seconds
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i hate guns as much as anybody, but no. the dude went to someones house and broke in. the end result is sad, but the only person who got hurt was the only person to blame. the real tragedy would have been if someone innocent died.
What in the fuck are you talking about?
lucebuce12
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Mammoth Jones
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The conflict that gave birth to this tragedy was someone with mental illness getting furious over the Internet and decide to break into someone's home and hurt people. You can stop there.
I don't know about afghans but I know the family in that home was glad they had a gun at that time.
jakonovski
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Systems thinking, who needs it.
Nicktendo86
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Obviously guns are a massive problem in the states but (also from the UK here) if someone so obviously out of control broke into my house with my wife and child huddled in a room and I had a gun I would absolutely use it, as I'm sure most people would. I'd use anything I had at hand to defend my family, whether the person breaking in is armed or not would not be something I would think about. They are obviously not coming in for a cup of tea and a chat.
Terrible situation though, I'd say this is a story about America's poor mental health care than anything.
Ray Wonder
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First off, he's a cop, so even if you ban guns he'd probably still have one.
Second, this is absolutely a pro gun situation, because a lunatic busted into his house and he defended his household.
JacksUsername
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Thank you. Like most illnesses, there's a wide spectrum of severity within bipolar, including different classifications. Painting bipolar with such a wide brush only helps to contribute to the stigmatization of mental illness.
wesleyshark
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Maybe you should layoff the batman vs superman
17 Seconds
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it's weird, because that's exactly what the rest of your post does
boiled goose
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Headline should be about bipolar disorder and guns.
Instead it's about BLM. Shitty disgusting "journalism"
Instead it's about BLM. Shitty disgusting "journalism"
...Or the cop and/or his wife and children could be hurt or dead. I have no love for guns but you are making a huge leap here. It's very possible the gun in this situation prevented a larger tragedy from occurring.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Expect too see more and more of this kind of thing in the coming weeks. People found an excuse to demonize the movement and now they're having a field day.
old manatee
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Some of the reactions in this thread are why I don't tell people I'm bipolar anymore.
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