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Blu-ray 2.0 profile in new PS3 update

Good stuff, now if Sony wouldn't mind speaking to Canadian merchants. Was about to get a PS3 last week until I saw the avage price of a BluRay was like $35.

Convinced me to wait until the June bundles happen(oh yes, the old school 40GB will drop to $299, oh yes it will :D )
 
Man the PSP+PS3 connectivity is so great. I'm curious as to how many people actually know about this, since its not advertised all that much.
 
btutterrow said:
Since I only own a PSP so far, I have a question about this. What exactly does this mean? I thought PSP doesn't support playlists?
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The PSP has always supported .m3u playlists, just not in a particular user friendly way. So I'm assuming this feature will take care of that, at least to some extent.
 
Dunlop said:
Good stuff, now if Sony wouldn't mind speaking to Canadian merchants. Was about to get a PS3 last week until I saw the avage price of a BluRay was like $35.

Convinced me to wait until the June bundles happen(oh yes, the old school 40GB will drop to $299, oh yes it will :D )
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Good luck with that, most likely the earliest we will see another price drop is in the fall.
 
Firewire said:
Good luck with that, most likely the earliest we will see another price drop is in the fall.
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I know, I figure the movie prices will hopefully drop a bit and at least I'll get a DS3.
 
RiotPelaaja said:
Update is out next Wednesday.

Interactive Movies Come to Life on PLAYSTATION®3 with System Software Update Version 2.20
Downloadable Movie Content and Interactive Games, available with BD-LIVE PS3™’s Interoperability with PSP™(PlayStation®Portable) Enhanced

London, 20th March 2008 – Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (SCEE) today announced that system software update v.2.20, for PLAYSTATION®3 (PS3™), planned for release in late March, will add Blu-ray Disc™ (BD) Profile 2.0 (known as BD-LIVE). With the ability to take full advantage of interactive features, such as downloadable video content, ringtones, games, and more, BD-LIVE promises to offer PS3 users the ultimate interactive film experience. In addition to BD-LIVE, the system software update will enable photo and music playlists on a PS3 to be copied to a PSP™(PlayStation®Portable), as well as other new features.

To access Blu-ray Profile 2.0, users require an Internet connection and at least 1GB of local storage. Movies with BD-LIVE are scheduled for release next month.

The following features have been demonstrated to be possible with BD-LIVE and will vary depending on the title:

· A variety of downloadable content, including bonus scenes, shorts, trailers, subtitles, ringtones that can be sent to mobile phones, images, and more.

· Interactive movie-based games can pit players who are sitting in the same room, or are across the world and online, against each other.

In addition to BD-LIVE, system software update v.2.20 enhances PS3Â’s relationship with PSP, enabling users to copy their favourite music and photo playlists to their PSP and experience them on-the-go. This new functionality makes it easer than ever to share media content between the two systems.

The following new features will also be included in the system software update:

· “Resume play” will enable PS3 to start playing a BD and DVD video at the point it was stopped, even if the disc had been removed.*1

· “Audio Output Device” will be a new Remote Play setting, enabling PSP to serve as a remote control for music played through PS3.

· PS3’s Internet browser will be enhanced: Video files directly linked from a Web page will be able to be streamed, and the browser’s view speed will be improved.

· DivX and WMV format videos that are larger than 2GB will be playable.

· “Mosquito Noise Reduction” will be added as an AV setting in the control panel of the DVD/BD player for improved movie playback.*2

*1 BD-J format disc is not supported.

*2 BD discs recorded with BDMV format are not supported.

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Can someone explain how this is going to work?
 
Dunlop said:
Good stuff, now if Sony wouldn't mind speaking to Canadian merchants. Was about to get a PS3 last week until I saw the avage price of a BluRay was like $35.
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Is that price for BD movies at retail stores or online merchants. If it's not the latter, you should check online, that's where the best prices fo BD movies are, by far.

j-wood said:
Can someone explain how this is going to work?
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I expect you'll activate Remote Play the normal way on the PSP and then once the session is started, go to Start menu on PSP and select where you want the audio output from, PS3 or PSP.

Either that, or it could be a setting you need to make in the PS3 settings menu, which would be less friendly.
 
j-wood said:
Can someone explain how this is going to work?
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Normal remote play = video and audio from PS3 are coming through PSP. PS3 does not output any video to the TV or audio to the speakers.

This new Remote Play option = video from PS3 is coming through PSP, but audio from PS3 is coming through the speakers attached to it. That way you get a visual remote controller for your home theater music, while your TV is off.
 
Panajev2001a said:
So the TV must be on (and you can your gamepad to operate the PS3)... I guess I am missing the point of this feature... well, more features (especially if they are relatively simple for them to implement) the better. Even though I see little point using this feature myself, it is kinda cool and someone else might enjoy it.

A cool use... you turn the TV on let some music play for your guests and from work you change the playlist/song as you are coming home in order for you to make a stunning entrance.
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or, if you had a speakers all throughout your house, you could change the music from another room. If you used a controller you wouldn't be able to see the screen to make a selection.

other than that... I don't see the point either. you might as well just use your sixaxis controller.

not that I'm against more features. I just don't see why people are so excited for that.

I'm excited for the web browser updates, personally.
 
Onix said:
OMFG ... Mosquito Noise Reduction. Jesus christ Sony, are you actually trying to take on Silicon Optix? 0_0
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Yeah, that's going to be pretty spectacular as well. My DVDs are going to look that much nicer.

Now to get rid of my crappy Westy 42w2 in favor of a 40" XBR4.
 
Dunlop said:
Good stuff, now if Sony wouldn't mind speaking to Canadian merchants. Was about to get a PS3 last week until I saw the avage price of a BluRay was like $35.

Convinced me to wait until the June bundles happen(oh yes, the old school 40GB will drop to $299, oh yes it will :D )
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Join an online rental service, and then just pick up Blurays when they're on offer. It'll save you a load of money and you still get to watch all the films you want to.
 
Onix said:
OMFG ... Mosquito Noise Reduction. Jesus christ Sony, are you actually trying to take on Silicon Optix? 0_0
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I have no idea what Mosquito Noise Reduction or what Silicon Optix is but if it makes my DVDs look better I'm very excited about it.
 
Onix said:
OMFG ... Mosquito Noise Reduction. Jesus christ Sony, are you actually trying to take on Silicon Optix? 0_0
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But it's says it's only for the BD/DVD playback, not avi's, and such. I'd really like to see that feature for compressed divx files, and so on.
 
macksplack said:
Great!!

No ingame xmb but hey let's put out a feature that 90% won't use.

Sony definitly got their priority straight.
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Nice post.


Possibly the most ignorant statement I've read in '08. Good show!
 
The Jer said:
other than that... I don't see the point either. you might as well just use your sixaxis controller.

not that I'm against more features. I just don't see why people are so excited for that.
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The point is to remove the TV from the equation. Unless you want the visualizers, it should be completely unnecessary to have to turn the TV on just to play music from the PS3.
 
kaching said:
Is that price for BD movies at retail stores or online merchants. If it's not the latter, you should check online, that's where the best prices fo BD movies are, by far.

I expect you'll activate Remote Play the normal way on the PSP and then once the session is started, go to Start menu on PSP and select where you want the audio output from, PS3 or PSP.

Either that, or it could be a setting you need to make in the PS3 settings menu, which would be less friendly.
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I'm curious of the shipping charges for amazon.com to canada as the prices are much better.

Didn't even notice the PSP functionality, very nice. Give me some more use out of my PSP which is delegated as my PuzzleQuest/Movie viewer while on the train machine (I have a 360,Wii and a PSP : never really noticed that I do not follow the norm of a console/handheld from the same company before )
 
Onix since you seem to know your stuff about upscaling dvd what are the best setting ( like noise reduction etc) to set the PS3 to upscale dvd on a 1080p 60inch tv?
 
Marconelly said:
Normal remote play = video and audio from PS3 are coming through PSP. PS3 does not output any video to the TV or audio to the speakers.

This new Remote Play option = video from PS3 is coming through PSP, but audio from PS3 is coming through the speakers attached to it. That way you get a visual remote controller for your home theater music, while your TV is off.
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Ah, so it will be useful only if PS3 attached the home theater or speaker system.
But I think I need to switch the TV on and select HDMI channel to let the TV speakers sound because video and audio output on HDMI.

It is sound only best time is party when you don't want TV on and let the music switch when you are not moving, or even discuss with others what music by PSP screen.

Anyway Blu-ray 2.0 finally coming.
 
M3Freak said:
But it's says it's only for the BD/DVD playback, not avi's, and such. I'd really like to see that feature for compressed divx files, and so on.
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That would kick ass.



kaching said:
The point is to remove the TV from the equation. Unless you want the visualizers, it should be completely unnecessary to have to turn the TV on just to play music from the PS3.
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Yes ... that is an awesome plus. I was acutally about ready to purchase a small LCD monitor to attach to my pre/pro's secondary video out just for this reason.
 
Felix Lighter said:
I have no idea what Mosquito Noise Reduction or what Silicon Optix is but if it makes my DVDs look better I'm very excited about it.
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Good upscaling involves two processes - geometric upscaling so you aren't just doubling/triipling pixels (the PS3 is pretty good at this, though not on par with the best of the best i.e. the REALTA chip) and noise reduction, which cleans up the picture afterward as well as just getting rid of grain.

If the PS3 can perform good noise reduction as well as the good upscaling it already has, it'll make it that much more of a phenomenal media player.
 
Marconelly said:
People cry about in-game xmb, but I'd like them to finally have one simple feature - video zoom (pan & scan) for DVD and BD so that the video would fill-in the whole screen with 2.4:1 movies. It's a nice feature for 720p TVs because you can get almost full vertical resolution of the video content (on a 1080p TV it would just stretch pixels though).
How difficult something like that can be?
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I prefer movies in their original aspect ratio, regardless of whether it's 1.85:1, 2.35:1 because that is the directors vision. Any type of zoom would just crop the picture and you actually lose resolution.

Further reading:

http://www.avintegrated.com/aspect_ratios.html
 
kaching said:
You should try Amazon.ca instead ;)
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Wow the prices are not too bad. I was comparing them back in december when I was going to by an HD-DVD player and the difference was huge (picked up the addon for $50 a couple of weeks ago,mostly for the remote)

thanks for the heads up, maybe I'll be getting that PS3 sooner than I thought
 
badcrumble said:
Good upscaling involves two processes - geometric upscaling so you aren't just doubling/triipling pixels (the PS3 is pretty good at this, though not on par with the best of the best i.e. the REALTA chip) and noise reduction, which cleans up the picture afterward as well as just getting rid of grain.

If the PS3 can perform good noise reduction as well as the good upscaling it already has, it'll make it that much more of a phenomenal media player.
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Actually, you're missing a step ... deinterlacing, which is arguably the most important.




BTW - I would argue that PS3 in double-scale mode is actually better than any DVD player out there (spefically in terms of scaling), but its only really useful if you have a 1080p front projector. No one wants borders.
 
Dunlop said:
Wow the prices are not too bad. I was comparing them back in december when I was going to by an HD-DVD player and the difference was huge (picked up the addon for $50 a couple of weeks ago,mostly for the remote)

thanks for the heads up, maybe I'll be getting that PS3 sooner than I thought
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No problem. Keep your eyes open for sales on Amazon's stock of BD movies. They seem to have a decent one every few weeks.

Also you might want to keep track of the "HD Movie Thread" over in the Off-Topic forum. Those guys are good at finding the latest sales on movies, across regions.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=216600
 
Zoe said:
I'm confused, isn't this a file system issue? How could a firmware update fix that?
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Isn't 2GB a limitation of FAT16, not FAT32? I think the limitation it had wasn't file system related.
 
Felix Lighter said:
I have no idea what Mosquito Noise Reduction or what Silicon Optix is but if it makes my DVDs look better I'm very excited about it.
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Mosquito noise is most apparent around artificial or CG (Computer Generated) objects or scrolling credits (lettering) on a plain coloured background. It appears as some haziness and/or shimmering around high-frequency content (sharp transitions between foreground entities and the background or hard edges) and can sometimes be mistaken for ringing Unfortunately, this peppered effect is also visible around more natural shapes like a human body. The VIRIS project (a Video Reference Impairment System) defines mosquito noise as follows: "Form of edge busyness distortion sometimes associated with movement, characterized by moving artifacts and/or blotchy noise patterns superimposed over the objects (resembling mosquito flying around a person's head and shoulders)."

It occurs when reconstructing the image and approximating discarded data by inversing the transform model (iDCT).

"Mosquitoes" can also be found in other areas of an image. For instance, the presence of a very distinct texture or film grain at compression will also introduce mosquito noise. The result will be somewhat similar to random noise; the mosquitoes will seem to blend with the texture or the film grain and can look like original features of the picture.
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Do people really get interrupted that much? I see people on many forums going ZOMG RESUME!!11! When I sit down to watch a movie I've usually set aside that time. If something small happens I can pause and if I absolutely have to stop the movie I can go back to that chapter.
 
Amon37 said:
Do people really get interrupted that much? I see people on many forums going ZOMG RESUME!!11! When I sit down to watch a movie I've usually set aside that time. If something small happens I can pause and if I absolutely have to stop the movie I can go back to that chapter.
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Try to watch any Lord of the Rings movie (or really any movie) with a baby/kids in the house.

Also, put in a Simpsons DVD. Every time you shut down the PS3, you have to wait for all the copyright BS again and again.
 
The Jer said:
or, if you had a speakers all throughout your house, you could change the music from another room. If you used a controller you wouldn't be able to see the screen to make a selection.

other than that... I don't see the point either. you might as well just use your sixaxis controller.

not that I'm against more features. I just don't see why people are so excited for that.

I'm excited for the web browser updates, personally.
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You nailed it. This is why some people (me) are very excited for it. You don't have to be in the same room as the PS3, or have your HDTV on at all, to control your PS3 music playback with a full visual menu. It's another really, really slick feature added to Remote Play.

Now, if they added some sort of control link to your actual receiver so you could control volume, sound field, second speaker zone, ect. via Remote Play...that would be the ultimate. Hell, I'd buy a Sony receiver over the Onkyo I'm saving for, if it had that feature, no question. It would be a slam dunk.
 
jstevenson said:
True. But I will freaking take resume play... FINALLY.
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Yes. That's killer too.

Since movie publishers were so slow rolling the bookmarking feature out as a part of their movie releases via BDJ, (which was the original plan as I understand it,) it's nice that Sony added that feature now, so we can at least enjoy it on all the non-BDJ discs we have until that feature is implemented in BDJ by the studios.
 
Thanks for the explanation of Mosquito Noise Reduction. I've definitely noticed that situation in some videos and if this improves the picture as much as the image demonstrates then it's a huge addition. Definitely a great update. Right up there with PS2 upscaling and Divx support.
 
This really does look like a phenomenal update. Kudos to Sony for this.

BD Live will be nice going forward, as will the media improvements (BD/DVD picture quality, greater DiVx support), but I'm honestly most excited about the improvements to the web browser. I actually spend a good bit of time browsing the web (
GAF
) from my couch, and the more they can improve that, the happier I'll be.

Maybe they'll even make it possible to see GAF spoiler tags with the PS3 browser.

Believe.
 
Felix Lighter said:
Thanks for the explanation of Mosquito Noise Reduction. I've definitely noticed that situation in some videos and if this improves the picture as much as the image demonstrates then it's a huge addition. Definitely a great update. Right up there with PS2 upscaling and Divx support.
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It really helps with upscaling too, because when you upscale, you often get many more of those mosquito artifacts than you have on the source.

Also, it'll help for those discs where a source disc with two-layers were squeezed into one to fit on a single-layer recordable disc copy--another source of increased mosquito artifacts through bitrate reduction.
 
I hope the mosquito noise filter isn't too overzealous. I hate it when these filters remove any and all film grain and make everything look processed and plastic and fake.
 
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