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[styl3s]

How does telling someone to put down their phone while driving make them an asshole?

Do you also yell at people who look at their radio at a redlight? They weren't moving.

My phone doesn't leave the change spot until i get to my location and i hate people who drive AND text but if you are at a complete stop at a red light who cares? It's no different then just gazing out of your window or fiddling with your radio while you are STOPPED. Moving is a different story. I am not condoning attempted murder but i also don't condone being a shit head.

 

[Carnby]

You serious? Just stop while you already behind.

Lol. Zing-o!

Like I said, agree to disagree.

 

[Abounder]

Now that's some crazy road rage from the Bimmer. Absolutely disgusting and he should face serious criminal and civil punishments. That's why I don't talk to anyone on the road and drive defensively - any little thing can set off a hit and run

scam to buy jeep parts via gofundme campaign.

bikers instagram: https://instagram.com/chicgeeksa/

gofundmepage to pay for his "medical bills": http://www.donationto.com/Motorcycle-Collision-Bills

he also claims bmws drivers insurance won't his medical bills as a criminal investigation is ongoing.

I don't think it's a scam but I hate that biker's Mad Max deathmobile of a Jeep. Those aftermarket bumpers are battering rams, and need to be outlawed on the street; imagine that thing bumping a rider:

 

[A_Gorilla]

I cannot fault the beamer person for using a cell phone during a red light considering how many times I've done the same.

I CAN fault them for attempted murder...

Though I am having trouble finding any sympathy for the asshole biker, of whom his kind I have encountered countless times on the 405...

 

[FinalStageBoss]

Typical BMW driver tbh.

 

[DizzyCaffeine]

Yes. I do.

Well, $75 is great for a surgery. Keep in mind that stuff like an emergency room visit and ambulance ride are not fully covered.

 

[Messofanego]

Do you also yell at people who look at their radio at a redlight? They weren't moving.

My phone doesn't leave the change spot until i get to my location and i hate people who drive AND text but if you are at a complete stop at a red light who cares? It's no different then just gazing out of your window or fiddling with your radio while you are STOPPED. Moving is a different story. I am not condoning attempted murder but i also don't condone being a shit head.

Looking is not illegal.

 

[out0v0rder]

2) What the fuck is wrong with being on your phone while sitting at a light...

well, it's illegal.
just because you are stopped doesnt mean the world around you stops.you need to pay attention to your surroundings at all times while operating a multi-ton motor vehicle.

 

[Stinkles]

I literally can't see on my cellphone how the biker was hit. All I could see was him speeding up and rapidly slowing down after the verbal altercation.

Which seems like crazy behavior for all sorts of reasons. What am I missing from the big screen?

 

[RyanDG]

What kind of crap insurance leaves a person with 5k in medical bills? I had surgery and I only paid 75 dollars.

Congratulations on having a medical insurance plan that is 99% better than most Americans. Any type of surgery, even my unionized health care plan that was considered to be a 'cadillac' plan would have cost me more than $75 easy.

With that said... High deductible insurance plans are a thing. And unfortunately a lot of people have them.

 

[styl3s]

well, it's illegal.
just because you are stopped doesnt mean the world around you stops.you need to pay attention to your surroundings at all times while operating a multi-ton motor vehicle.

It's illegal to look at your phone at a redlight? And you are gonna sit there and tell me at every single red light you look directly into traffic with your head on a swivel? Never played with your radio? never looked at something? Take in the scenery to your left or right? You just sit there and eyeball the right light till it changes? There is nothing you can do when you are at a complete stop.

It's baffling to me that people get upset at people looking at their phone at a redlight especially if they just hit that redlight and have a good 20+ seconds of waiting. I am known for my hatred towards people who text and drive but i just cant muster enough shits to give when i see someone looking at a phone at a redlight.

 

[GavinGT]

I literally can't see on my cellphone how the biker was hit. All I could see was him speeding up and rapidly slowing down after the verbal altercation.

Which seems like crazy behavior for all sorts of reasons. What am I missing from the big screen?

Pull over and take a closer look.

 

[anarckitty]

I literally can't see on my cellphone how the biker was hit. All I could see was him speeding up and rapidly slowing down after the verbal altercation.

Which seems like crazy behavior for all sorts of reasons. What am I missing from the big screen?

It's hard to tell exactly how it happened because the motorcycle guy keeps looking to his right. From what I could tell is that the BMW got tired of driving behind the motorcycle and tried to illegally pass in the turn lane. What's hard to tell is if the BMW intentionally hit the motorcycle. It's a fact that the BMW kept driving and was a complete asshat for doing so.

 

[Messofanego]

It's illegal to look at your phone at a redlight? And you are gonna sit there and tell me at every single red light you look directly into traffic with your head on a swivel? Never played with your radio? never looked at something?

It's baffling to me that people get upset at people looking at their phone at a redlight especially if they just hit that redlight and have a good 20+ seconds of waiting.

It's your life, but if you get caught out on it, then know that you won't have much of a defense.

 

[DrForester]

unexcusable behavior by both involved. It's not the bikers job to squeeze between two cars like that and cut people off. And certainly isn't the BMW drivers job to get revenge on the asshole on the bike.

 

[styl3s]

It's your life, but if you get caught out on it, then know that you won't have much of a defense.

Because looking at a phone while at a redlight is somehow going to get me killed or my going 0mph is going to run someone over?

If someone called me out i would tell them to eat their advice and pay attention to the road instead of me and go on about my day.

 

[mmazurkiewicz]

I don't think it's a scam but I hate that biker's Mad Max deathmobile of a Jeep. Those aftermarket bumpers are battering rams, and need to be outlawed on the street; imagine that thing bumping a rider:

yeh theres a name for those rams and there was an accident just last week where a young girl was killed by someone with a ram.

edit: Stinger bar is the name.

 

[low-G]

For all we know the biker was waving a gun at the BMW. Nope, not gonna make a judgement when it seems the biker made a video to get funding.

 

[out0v0rder]

It's illegal to look at your phone at a redlight?

yes. it is illegal to use a phone while operating a motor vehicle.

ive seen a small child trip and fall in front a car at a stop light while the driver was looking down at their phone. the driver almost ran over the kid when the light turned green because they werent paying attention.

 

[Rafterman]

Glad to see you like people trying to kill others with their car.

Nice leap of logic.

I don't condone the actions of the driver a bit, but at the same time two assholes getting into an altercation that results in one of them getting hurt elicits zero sympathy from me. Lock the driver up for life, for all I care, it still doesn't make me feel sorry for the other guy. My empathy is finite and I have none for either of these clowns. Biker was an asshole who just happened to run into a bigger one, excuse me if I don't tear up about it.

 

[GavinGT]

well, it's illegal.
just because you are stopped doesnt mean the world around you stops.you need to pay attention to your surroundings at all times while operating a multi-ton motor vehicle.

Laws vary by state. in California, it's illegal to text while driving. It's illegal to talk on a cell phone without using a hands-free unit. However, simply operating the phone is not illegal. In fact, the law specifically allows for drivers to use the GPS on their phones while driving.

http://www.dmv.org/ca-california/safety-laws.php#Cell-Phone-Laws

 

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

Skeptical

 

[Dreez]

Beamer dude should definitely get everything that's coming to him but...

Biker dude needs to learn manners--he shouldn't talk to random people like that, and then speeding up/slowing in front of the Beamer. And he kept looking behind, which Beamer dude might've perceived as a threat. That's just asking for it.

Completely avoidable incident.

 

[shem935]

\PS: yes, using your cellphone while driving is bad... but C'MON we all do it. Additionally, dude was stopped at a red light. I use my phone while driving occasionally and barely feel bad about it.

Eventually when you kill yourself or someone else through negligence I wonder if bad would be the adjective you use to describe the situation.

 

[EatinOlives]

I doubt a driver would intentionally damage their own vehicle and do it in the middle of a busy street in broad daylight on purpose.

That, or maybe the driver is batshit insane.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

It's illegal to look at your phone at a redlight? And you are gonna sit there and tell me at every single red light you look directly into traffic with your head on a swivel? Never played with your radio? never looked at something? Take in the scenery to your left or right? You just sit there and eyeball the right light till it changes? There is nothing you can do when you are at a complete stop.

It's baffling to me that people get upset at people looking at their phone at a redlight especially if they just hit that redlight and have a good 20+ seconds of waiting. I am known for my hatred towards people who text and drive but i just cant muster enough shits to give when i see someone looking at a phone at a redlight.

It's not about what people like or dislike, it's about being on your phone while driving (which includes red lights) being illegal, depending on the state.

When looking around or changing the radio station become illegal, you'll have a point.

 

[Stinkles]

Pull over and take a closer look.

I can't, I am speeding!

 

[statham]

I can't, I am speeding!

If you come to a stop, its still illegal, you are doomed.

 

[thesoapster]

I literally can't see on my cellphone how the biker was hit. All I could see was him speeding up and rapidly slowing down after the verbal altercation.

Which seems like crazy behavior for all sorts of reasons. What am I missing from the big screen?

This is what caught my attention as well, and I still cannot figure out wtf he was doing. The BMW passed on the left side (going over the line) and clipped the bike.

 

[Stinkles]

If you come to a stop, its still illegal, you are doomed.

You will NEVER be Bond, NEVER!

And you look like Grant off Eastenders.

 

[Messofanego]

Because looking at a phone while at a redlight is somehow going to get me killed or my going 0mph is going to run someone over?

If someone called me out i would tell them to eat their advice and pay attention to the road instead of me and go on about my day.

Considering how driving-related accidents and deaths are very likely in a person's life, sorry if I take safety over just a little personal phone time. If it's so important, just pull up somewhere safe. How much are you missing out if you don't get to go on your phone while stopped at a traffic light?

 

[chalex010]

It's hard to tell from the video, but assuming there is truth to the claim that the other driver was identified and their insurance company is refusing to pay, it's likely from the fact that the rider appears to be accelerating/decelerating to irritate the person in the BMW. Assuming the rider was accelerating while being passed he would have been violating CA Division 11 - Rules of the Road, Chapter 3. Driving, Overtaking, and Passing, Article 3. Overtaking and Passing.

V C Section 21753 Yielding for Passing

Yielding for Passing

21753. Except when passing on the right is permitted, the driver of an overtaken vehicle
shall safely move to the right-hand side of the highway in favor of the overtaking vehicle
after an audible signal or a momentary flash of headlights by the overtaking vehicle, and 
shall not increase the speed of his or her vehicle until completely passed by the 
overtaking vehicle. This section does not require the driver of an overtaken vehicle to 
drive on the shoulder of the highway in order to allow the overtaking vehicle to pass.

Amended Sec. 9, Ch. 440, Stats. 1996. Effective January 1, 1997.
Amended Sec. 40, Ch. 724, Stats. 1999. Effective January 1, 2000.

So it could just be reckless driving all around.

Spoiler

/devil's advocate

 

[M.W.]

Keep your mouth shut Son Of Anarchy.

Have fun in jail BMW.

 

[Boaty McBoatface]

The way I see it, no matter what 'insult' the person was giving the driver, ramming someone with your car is NOT justified. The guy in the BMW wasn't defending himself, he blatantly assaulted the biker, and could've seriously injured the guy.

 

[titiklabingapat]

Wow at the people defending cell phone use while driving, or even just a glance at a stoplight on city streets. You might be worse than a drunk driver. At least the drunk driver can say they were not sober during the incident. What is your excuse? It's just a five second glance? Umm, you are behind a two ton hunk of metal where most 'accidents' happen.

 

[thesoapster]

Wow at the people defending cell phone use while driving, or even just a glance at a stoplight. You are worse than a drunk driver. At least the drunk driver can say they were not sober during the incident.

hmmm really? You think that when you're stuck for a couple minutes and you quickly look at your phone to read a text or whatever you're that bad? I'm adamant about hands-free use only while driving, but shit.

 

[titiklabingapat]

hmmm really? You think that when you're stuck for a couple minutes and you quickly look at your phone to read a text or whatever you're that bad? I'm adamant about hands-free use only while driving, but shit.

I have zero tolerance for it, especially on busy city intersections and at peak hours. When my siblings do it, they get an earful from me. If they do it again, I just tell them to pull over and let me get out of the car.

 

[Gr1mLock]

Wow at the people defending cell phone use while driving, or even just a glance at a stoplight on city streets. You might be worse than a drunk driver. At least the drunk driver can say they were not sober during the incident. What is your excuse? It's just a five second glance? Umm, you are behind a two ton hunk of metal where most 'accidents' happen.

 

[statham]

Wow at the people defending cell phone use while driving, or even just a glance at a stoplight on city streets. You might be worse than a drunk driver. At least the drunk driver can say they were not sober during the incident. What is your excuse? It's just a five second glance? Umm, you are behind a two ton hunk of metal where most 'accidents' happen.

it wasn't driving tho, unless you have more videos, you are at a stoplight. have you turned up the music at a stoplight? change channels at a stoplight? glance over at someone in another car at a stoplight? talked to your passenger at a stoplight, checked up on your kid in the backseat at a stoplight??

 

[Stinkles]

Wow at the people defending cell phone use while driving, or even just a glance at a stoplight on city streets. You might be worse than a drunk driver. At least the drunk driver can say they were not sober during the incident. What is your excuse? It's just a five second glance? Umm, you are behind a two ton hunk of metal where most 'accidents' happen.

Stealth edit is still wrong statistically. Nobody should be looking at their phone while in control of a vehicle, period, but false equivalence isn't helping the dialogue or the science.

 

[titiklabingapat]

it wasn't driving tho, unless you have more videos, you are at a stoplight. have you turned up the music at a stoplight? change channels at a stoplight? glance over at someone in another car at a stoplight?

The problem is that that glance can turn into 'look at these funny messages' then that turns into 'let me just click it really quick' and before you know it, people are honking behind you. I've seen it happen so many times. Driving is one of the most dangerous you can do in everyday life. Don't add anymore distractions to it.

 

[btrboyev]

Not justifying the car driver, but I think it's a really shitty move of a biker to split right between two cars like that, whether it's legal or not.

 

[xxracerxx]

The problem is that that glance can turn into 'look at these funny messages' then that turns into 'let me just click it really quick' and before you know it, people are honking behind you. I've seen it happen so many times.

This right here happens all the time and then someone guns it into the intersection without really looking...bleh.

 

[mre]

scam to buy jeep parts via gofundme campaign.

bikers instagram: https://instagram.com/chicgeeksa/

gofundmepage to pay for his "medical bills": http://www.donationto.com/Motorcycle-Collision-Bills

he also claims bmws drivers insurance won't his medical bills as a criminal investigation is ongoing.

Why is this claim unbelievable?

 

[The Beard]

It's hard to tell from the video, but assuming there is truth to the claim that the other driver was identified and their insurance company is refusing to pay, it's likely from the fact that the rider appears to be accelerating/decelerating to irritate the person in the BMW. Assuming the rider was accelerating while being passed he would have been violating CA Division 11 - Rules of the Road, Chapter 3. Driving, Overtaking, and Passing, Article 3. Overtaking and Passing.

V C Section 21753 Yielding for Passing

Yielding for Passing

21753. Except when passing on the right is permitted, the driver of an overtaken vehicle
shall safely move to the right-hand side of the highway in favor of the overtaking vehicle
after an audible signal or a momentary flash of headlights by the overtaking vehicle, and 
shall not increase the speed of his or her vehicle until completely passed by the 
overtaking vehicle. This section does not require the driver of an overtaken vehicle to 
drive on the shoulder of the highway in order to allow the overtaking vehicle to pass.

Amended Sec. 9, Ch. 440, Stats. 1996. Effective January 1, 1997.
Amended Sec. 40, Ch. 724, Stats. 1999. Effective January 1, 2000.

So it could just be reckless driving all around.

Spoiler

/devil's advocate

Ok but the BMW driver crossed a double yellow line and clipped the motorcyclist. The motorcyclist had no reason to assume he would be passed on the left hand side, he was looking over his right shoulder. Who the fuck passes on a road like that anyways ? Even ignoring the fact that he illegally passed him, he didn't do so safely, he was halfway into the motorcyclists lane. Not to mention it was a hit and run as well.

It could've ended a lot worse if the bus that was behind the motorcyclist ran him over while he was on the ground.

 

[TRD Mr Blonde]

Dont start nothing, wont be nothing. I have zero sympathy for the biker. Its one thing to say something about using your phone while driving, its another to be a snarky dbag about it. Then he pauses at the green just to irritate the driver. Then he drives slow and speeds up when the driver tries to pass. Like i said he got what he deserved.

 

[thesoapster]

The problem is that that glance can turn into 'look at these funny messages' then that turns into 'let me just click it really quick' and before you know it, people are honking behind you. I've seen it happen so many times. Driving is one of the most dangerous you can do in everyday life. Don't add anymore distractions to it.

With all the shit on the dash and center console of newer cars now, that's already a risk. How do you feel about cars that integrate the SMS of the driver's phone? Now they're looking down at some screen in the car, but not holding a phone. Any better? Or really just as bad, potentially?

 

[Flo_Evans]

it wasn't driving tho, unless you have more videos, you are at a stoplight. have you turned up the music at a stoplight? change channels at a stoplight? glance over at someone in another car at a stoplight?

Yeah people do it all the time it must be ok.

This is the reason filtering through traffic at stoplights is safer than sitting there.

You ever see a motorcyclist whip out their cell phone at a traffic light? I'd bet not, because they are usually looking around, trying to make sure no one hits them.

Do you put the car in park at a red light? If not you are driving and should get off your phone.

 

[titiklabingapat]

With all the shit on the dash and center console of newer cars now, that's already a risk. How do you feel about cars that integrate the SMS of the driver's phone? Now they're looking down at some screen in the car, but not holding a phone. Any better? Or really just as bad?

Just as bad. Those things should be off when the car engine is on. The only exception to me is passive stuff like music and maybe GPS. No touch screens either.

Pull over and turn your engine off if you want to do all that other shit.

 

[A_Gorilla]

Wow at the people defending cell phone use while driving, or even just a glance at a stoplight on city streets. You might be worse than a drunk driver. At least the drunk driver can say they were not sober during the incident. What is your excuse? It's just a five second glance? Umm, you are behind a two ton hunk of metal where most 'accidents' happen.

Because pretty much everyone here has done it at some point so criticizing the driver for it would be the pot calling the kettle black.