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BMW driver wrecks motorcyclist on purpose
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entremet
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Awesome. Cycling keeps you in shape.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
BMW guy overreacted (and needs to get arrested for assault), but that guy on the bike is a grade a douche-bag.
Cagers? Really. Not only did you yell at someone, you got ahead of them and then slowed down. You actively tried to piss the guy off, then complain about "cagers" and they way they drive?
People are assholes and crazy, you shouldn't be trying to start shit like that.
Cagers? Really. Not only did you yell at someone, you got ahead of them and then slowed down. You actively tried to piss the guy off, then complain about "cagers" and they way they drive?
People are assholes and crazy, you shouldn't be trying to start shit like that.
statham
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you are expanding a scenario to fit a outcome, I always check my phone for text messages or surf the internet at stoplight, some of those can be 3-5 minutes long, why not? but put my phone away as soon as I drive. should you not have any other distraction at the light besides starring at it?
thesoapster
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You must hate Teslas...
I think it's really about managing the potential distractions in the vehicle appropriately. Next to no one will follow the zero tolerance standard. Navigation can be hazardous, too, you know. Educating drivers about distractions (passengers, music, sat nav, cell phone communications, etc.) and how to manage those risks appropriately should be the priority to me.
Messofanego
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Nothing in that website says anything to the effect of "However, simply operating the phone is not illegal." Only gives an ok to using the GPS. Nothing specific about what you can do when stopped at a red light, just that GPS is fine at any time. I don't see how using your hands and fiddling around a GPS program is considered ok, but not my state or country.
GPS and Other Map Apps
As of February 2014, the court overturned a previous decision and now has ruled that using a cell phone's GPS or other map feature while driving is legal, with or without a hands-free device while operating a motor vehicle.
Layman's terms? You cannot be ticketed for using your cell phone's GPS or mapping service regardless if you have a hands-free device or not.
As of February 2014, the court overturned a previous decision and now has ruled that using a cell phone's GPS or other map feature while driving is legal, with or without a hands-free device while operating a motor vehicle.
Layman's terms? You cannot be ticketed for using your cell phone's GPS or mapping service regardless if you have a hands-free device or not.
Did the law change since 2011, when California v. Nelson made using the phone while stopped at a red light illegal?
titiklabingapat
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You might be good with it, but I just do not trust other people at all. And it just takes *one* to end someone's life forever.
TRD Mr Blonde
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Yup.
It wasn't double yellow when the biker is clipped, if youtube wasn't blocked at work I'd screenshot. We also can't know for sure that the driver didn't stop ahead or turn around as the video is rather short overall.
I don't doubt that the BMW driver was more wrong or at greater fault, but their insurance company is certainly going to be fighting damn hard that the rider was at fault and I'm doubly certain that they'll have the better legal team.
statham
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how much damage are you going to do at a stoplight?
While it wasn't a double line, that's a turning lane in the middle. You don't pass in a turning lane.
titiklabingapat
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To a people who walk or people on bicycles? A lot. You can even kill them.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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Wow
The biker sounded like a douchebag.
How about you tell them without that tone and cussing, and another idea how about you don't intentionally slow down and rev your engine and egg them on.
No sympathy for the biker. If he really gave a shit he wouldnt have acted like a snarky turd.
How about you tell them without that tone and cussing, and another idea how about you don't intentionally slow down and rev your engine and egg them on.
No sympathy for the biker. If he really gave a shit he wouldnt have acted like a snarky turd.
statham
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How? You are stationary.
I've done lots of stupid shit. The key is to realize it's stupid and stop doing it.
Is this a serious post. It does not matter if the biker is the biggest douche bag. You cant ram into him. It could have killed him. I cant believe some of the callousness I see in some of the posts here sometimes.
titiklabingapat
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See my scenario above. You are stopped at the light. You check your phone. You start chuckling at the video your friend sent you. You didn't notice that the light has turned green. People behind you impatiently start honking but there is an old lady on a walker slowly finishing her crossing. You freak out and start driving, hitting the old lady.
It might seem very specific but you'll be surprised how often such a scenario happens here in LA. Thankfully, most do not result in accidents or fatalities but like I said, it just takes one to permanently end someone innocently crossing a cross walk. It's such a preventable type of 'accident' that it shouldn't even be called one. It's human error through and through.
It does matter. There are billions of people on this planet and you are expecting people to feel bad for Douchy McDouche when his jackass ways end up getting him hurt. Sorry, this wasn't some minding his own business biker who got clipped out of nowhere, this guy got hurt as a result of his own actions. The BMW driver being a psycho doesn't suddenly make this biker lovable and tug at my heart strings.
Believe it or not it's perfectly normal to think the driver did something horrible and still not give two shits about this biker.
All the research is talking about driving while using a cellphone. Still failing to see why using a cell phone with a STOPPED car is equivalent? And its not illegal where I live.
racerx said:
Though a fair point, I bolded where the problem is. There is an intervening action that required you to operate your car in a dangerous manner, regardless of the phone. Thats not a problem with the phone as its reckless even if you remove the phone from the equation.
TRD Mr Blonde
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When you do shitty things, you shouldnt be surprised by shitty results.
Now i will agree that a hit and run was way too crazy. If it were me i would have caught him at the next light and drop kicked him off his bike.
Paracelsus
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They have autovelox, they also started using car insurance-velox, I can't wait until they put drivetalking-velox everywhere and start revoking licenses en masse.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Really?
that's the same shit. Might as well hit him with your car since it's more efficient.
Yeah the biker was being an asshole but there was no reason for the douche in the bmw to hit him. Just change lanes and drive off.
M0nochromatic
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It's completely reasonable to attempt to murder someone as a response to getting called out for using your phone while operating a fucking vehicle.
What's next defending driving while intoxicated?
What's next defending driving while intoxicated?
statham
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then you are driving. you going to ban everyone for this one specific scenario? I stared at a girl on a sidewalk for too long, and everything you said happened? can I no longer stare at girls on the sidewalk?
edit: no idea if we've gone OT, but I want to be around for E3, so I'm bailing.
I agree with this.
Driving while using your using phone increases your odds of getting in an accident. So does aggressively provoking other drivers on the road.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
I will agree with the comment that they both assholes. But BMW guy is a bigger asshole, and should be charged. He could have killed the biker.
The biker is an asshole because they are stopped on a signal, and yeah I know the whole don't touch your phone while driving what so ever. But he JUST saw him, and said put down the phone or w.e. For all he know is he might be just checking a msg or change song, or anything.
The biker is an asshole because they are stopped on a signal, and yeah I know the whole don't touch your phone while driving what so ever. But he JUST saw him, and said put down the phone or w.e. For all he know is he might be just checking a msg or change song, or anything.
Beerman462
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I think he did but the biker sped up to keep him from passing.
Reminds me of the video where the truck was holding up a Camaro and the Camaro tried to pass on the shoulder causing an accident.
Obviously the BMW driver is a psycho, but there is a small part of my brain that loves that the biker found out why it's not a good idea to antagonize random strangers. It's not his job to punish people for using a cell phone at the light. Get away from them and get on with your life.
Didn't look like he was wearing a helmet but what is the camera on?
If only the biker had done just that we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
There must be serial killers on GAF I swear.
The biker decided to be a prick. He is absolutely right about the phone. There is no excuse for being on your phone in the car. The issue is the accelerating and breaking it looked like he was doing. You cut off him only to cause the accident yourself because of your point.
Nor does it look like the guy in the BMW is a psycho either. Looks like he was trying to cut around him, but another car was coming. Illegal and stupid as fuck.
Nor does it look like the guy in the BMW is a psycho either. Looks like he was trying to cut around him, but another car was coming. Illegal and stupid as fuck.
The video is too short to make any assumptions other than the BMW is a shitty, and dangerous driver that almost killed someone.
I don't think using your cellphone at at stoplight is a big deal, especially at a fresh red. This opinion does change when you are the first car stopped at a light, but that's not what I'm getting at here. The motorcyclist was out of line for saying "get the fuck off the phone" to someone simply sitting at a red light.
But....... I was thinking, because this has happened to me, you see someone driving like shit while talking and then you meet them at a stop light and give them the WTF look or the finger. Perhaps he turned his camera on at that moment because the BMW was driving like an asshole because he was on his phone. Maybe he cut the motorcyclist off, drifted into his lane, or was doing 20 in a 35 or whatever. Then he catches him at the stoplight, tells him off, and the rest is history.
Or maybe I'm giving the motorcyclist too much credit.
I don't think using your cellphone at at stoplight is a big deal, especially at a fresh red. This opinion does change when you are the first car stopped at a light, but that's not what I'm getting at here. The motorcyclist was out of line for saying "get the fuck off the phone" to someone simply sitting at a red light.
But....... I was thinking, because this has happened to me, you see someone driving like shit while talking and then you meet them at a stop light and give them the WTF look or the finger. Perhaps he turned his camera on at that moment because the BMW was driving like an asshole because he was on his phone. Maybe he cut the motorcyclist off, drifted into his lane, or was doing 20 in a 35 or whatever. Then he catches him at the stoplight, tells him off, and the rest is history.
Or maybe I'm giving the motorcyclist too much credit.
But then we wouldn't have all these responses from the land of 'be a cunt to a total stranger and expect no recourse' land.
He definitely had a helmet on. Look at his shadow when he keeps turning his head to look behind him.
phillipgessert
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I don't cross in front of drivers I haven't made eye contact with. There is no chance I'd get in front of a car with the driver tucked into his phone. Not a fan of messing with phones at stoplights.
Beerman462
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I guess it just depends on your frame of mind. I just got done driving from Phoenix AZ to Alamogordo NM. I can't count the amount of times I had to move to the right lane to pass people cruising in the left lane of the fucking Interstate or getting cut off by Semis that pass each other with a difference of 1mph. The first few times ehhh after 10 it becomes rage inducing.
Looked like a backwards ball cap to me. That would also explain why he is concussed.
Nm helmet with the camera strapped to it.
This is what the poster I quoted said
So you are telling me that the appropriate response to a douche who asks you to stop using the phone in the car is to ram a car into him that could potentially kill him? Because if you dont feel that is callous, crazy and absolutely wrong I dont know what to say.
I dont know about serial killers but there are some scary people def. They seem to think violence of this kind is a well deserved punishment. I would not want to piss some of these people in the real world in case I get a car rammed into me while walking in a footpath or driving a bike.
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
The anonymity helps exaggerate the "toughness" to astronimical levels. Most of these "hard asses" act very civilized in real life.
I'm a radio talk show junkie. Everytime there's a story about a person doing something mean to someone else in public where nobody stepped in to help out for example, almost everyone that calls in talks about, "I guarantee you if I was there, I would've kicked that guys you know what, and I'd probably be in jail for whooping him".
Where were all these people when the event happened ? Not one of the 50 actual bystanders stepped in, but all of these radio talk show nerds are frothing at the month for a chance to be a hero ? I don't think so. Hindsight and anonymity turn a lot of people into bad ass motherfuckers.
Sho_Nuff82
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If you own a modern luxury car there's no excuse to not use the hands free Bluetooth features of your phone. Driving on your cell is illegal for a reason.
Obviously a hit and run is a serious crime, especially if it was intentional. He should be facing jail time either way.
Obviously a hit and run is a serious crime, especially if it was intentional. He should be facing jail time either way.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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It's really not that hard.
Aceofspades
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BMW makes some fine ass motorcycles..and cars
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