Just saying, its also this.
But that's just a gunshot in a window. That's like saying the cheese sandwich I had for lunch today is the same one that was in The Devil Wears Prada.
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Bond 24 Announcement: SPECTRE
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But that's just a gunshot in a window. That's like saying the cheese sandwich I had for lunch today is the same one that was in The Devil Wears Prada.
OHMSS doesn't have a bad reputation (or at least, not anymore) but the fact the climactic showdown between Bond and Blofeld is a bobsled race is reason enough to look down on that movie.
But it's a new continuity?
It's a critical moment in the entire series that forever linked Bond, Blofeld, and SPECTRE.
Ignatz Mouse
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Continuity is reset with CR, so I don't see the issue.
ViewtifulJC
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has a Mission Impossible and James Bond film ever opened so close to each other
tell me this nigga aint serious about Bond continuity here...like they care about that...
tell me this nigga aint serious about Bond continuity here...like they care about that...
EON has never officially commented on what it was. They said CR was showing Bond at the beginning of his career, but "reboot" or "new continuity" are words never endorsed by EON. At least I don't recall them ever coming out and saying "the continuity is reset with Daniel Craig".
Jason's Ultimatum
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Blofeld is in this? Ugh.
IdreamofHIME
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A cryptic message from Bonds past sends him on a trail to uncover a sinister organisation. While M battles political forces to keep the secret service alive, Bond peels back the layers of deceit to reveal the terrible truth behind Spectre.
James Bond: The Winter Solider
James Bond: The Winter Solider
Bobby Roberts
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Bond film continuity is easy now, though.
Nothing before Casino Royale happened.
Done.
The writers and the director have stated it was a reboot. EON knows it's a reboot. If they haven't said anything directly, it's likely because they're afraid of baldly stating it when they don't really have to.
But it's a reboot.
Lynd7
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I guess, but how else is it meant to be taken now? Over the Craig films, they have re-introduced characters etc.
I don't see how they could try and make any sort of continuity work from the older films. It will likely be self contained within the new Craig universe.
Can Crusher
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Sad to see people trash QoS. Know nothin
Ignatz Mouse
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Well, I think that it's fair to say that since he's using cell phones and BluRay discs, that it's a reboot, regardless of what they've said.
AuthenticM
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As much as I loved Skyfall, I wish they had gotten a different director. To be honest, I believe Chris Nolan could make a killer Bond film. Of course, as long as both his brother and he stay away from writing duties.
eso76
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But Monica is 50 and Craig is 46.
This woman is 50 y/o
Man.
Maaaan.
Also, OT but I think Dalton is an underrated Bond.
Ignatz Mouse
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Yeah, it's been done.
I can see wanting to have something make the stakes personal for Bond, but
1) don't repeat the past directly
2) don't do it in your debut. Save something for Spectre 2.
That moment in the original series worked so well because it had been built up to over several movies.
Principate
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It doesn't work as complete reboot otherwise the car in Skyfall wouldn' exist (or at least not have any real meaning).
I firmly believe that it's more likely than not Nolan will make a Bond film some day, but I also think that'll wait until they have a new actor.
personally, I hope they bring back Martin Campbell to direct Bond 25 as Craig's swan song. And the timing works if he likes to take 10 year breaks between Bonds.
The car is, above all else, just a joke. But if you need a continuity reason for it, it's the same Aston Martin that Bond won in CR's poker game.
Ignatz Mouse
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Won it in CR, had it retrofitted for left hand drive and weapons added. Boom. Done.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Yeah but that's not how it was implied in the film, and it's certainly not what a lot of the audience took away from it.
I guess that works
That's what makes it a joke.
Just the fact that Casino Royale is set in the present makes it decidedly not a prequel to the earlier Bonds.
Bobby Roberts
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Thanks guys!
Couldn't agree more
Bobby Roberts
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People only want Nolan to do a Bond because Nolan already did his Bond in Inception, and they were like "wouldn't that be cooler if it was ACTUALLY Bond?" and no, it probably wouldn't. It's only cool BECAUSE it's not really Bond, and the homages you're seeing play better than if he actually had all the toys and it "counted."
ViewtifulJC
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they already got Nolan's editor and cinematographer man
probably his food catering services, too
probably his food catering services, too
Nolan already did Bond, and did it better (Inception)
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Yeah I got that, but Continuity hasn't been much of a thing for bond films for a long time, I mean Judi dench Played as M in supposedly two entirely different time periods, and the films themselves have been fairly careful in not directly remaking themselves.
Bobby Roberts
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Dench's M also has two different names across both movies.
I don't think they're gonna start remaking any of the old movies. But I do think things that "feel" like certain aspects of the old books/films are gonna start getting riffed on.
yep
The M that Judi Dench plays in the Brosnan films is called Barbara Mawdsley (in scripts and raymond benson's official novelizations) and the M she plays in the Craig films is called Olivia Mansfield (as written on her urn at the end of Skyfall).
As we've talked about before, clamoring for auteur-y directors for Bond is beyond pointless. Like, people still mention Tarantino as if it's something that either he or Eon could live with. As Solo points out you're never really in charge if you're the Bond director. Of course the director needs to know his craft and and can add qualities to the film, but someone with a very particular vision in his head would never be able to co-operate with Broccoli & Co.
It's clearly not set in the same universe as the other films. The dossier that was on the Casino Royale website stated that Craig's James Bond was born in 1968 and served in Bosnia, Iraq, Somalia, and Afghanistan.
Skyfall's ending and the fact that Bond probably won't know who Blofeld or SPECTRE is in this movie would be two other points in favor of it being a new continuity. Also Judi Dench's M having two different names.
That doesn't mean those other films didn't happen in the Craig Bond universe (the premise of the Goldeneye 007 game for Wii and 007 Legends).
Bobby Roberts
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This is the 24th Bond movie.
If you're put off by the idea of "fan-service" your train left about 30 years ago.
Those other films didn't happen. The video games are nice what-ifs, though. I really liked the Wii Goldeneye remix of that film's story.
Gambit 1138
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This sounds like a ripoff of winter soldier.
BigJonsson
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Blofield better have a fluffy kitty
It's gonna be Grumpy Cat isn't it?
It's gonna be Grumpy Cat isn't it?
IdreamofHIME
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He's just a B+ villain
Gambit 1138
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Disagree. There have been plenty of good bond films that didn't resort to Rehashing Sean Connery era films. Goldeneye, Casino Royale, etc. had a few winks and nods but they stood on their own as modern bond films. What Sam Mendes is doing is actively trying to recreate the 60s films which is annoying.
Ignatz Mouse
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Right, because the audience is in the real world where there was a pre-reboot Bond, and this was a wink to them. Vague dialogue so that the audience could play along.
Non in-story reason needed for the old movies to have happened, though.
and Mendes has a Best Director Oscar. Didn't seem to discourage him from taking the job (twice!).
Nolan's a huge Bond fan, has met with the producers, clearly loves making blockbuster films. I don't think he'll definitely do one, but I think he's more likely to do it than not, and I believe -- like Mendes -- he'd be willing to cede some creative control ("zero" seems like an exaggeration) for a chance to work on a childhood favorite franchise.
His talent isn't the problem, very good director.. He likes old Bond and that's all he wants to do. The last film made bank so they won't change. I don't rate Skyfall at all beyond cinematography. Daniel Craig wants to make the perfect Bond film but they are looking in the past unfortunately. I doubt Broccoli wants to take it anywhere new either. The formula in some ways is fine but it can be so shit sometimes like Skyfall and just be terribly boring and stupid.
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