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[Diablos]

I feel what's mentioned in this thread is developing into a stereotype: just because you're out of school and still at home does not mean you WANT to be. Moving out requires:

-Job security
-Knowing you are content with your job OR
-Knowing that, as someone who lives independently, if you quit or lose your job you can easily find another one that pays enough to take care of your expenses. Because guess what? If you can't, you're fucked.

Please know this before you bash everyone that's still at home.

 

[Phoenix]

I dunno-I think that, after almost two decades of education and support from your parents, they deserve some time to enjoy a quiet home and time together. Just as I think it's a parent's responsibility to raise their child the best they can, I think it's the kid's responsibilty to honor that effort and give his/her parents some peace and quiet by striking out on their own, even if it means living with less than they could have with their parents.

Parents, that I know anyways, want their kids to start out life well-equipped to succeed. Sometimes that requires that the kids come back to the nest for a while. Toughing it out just for the sake of toughing it out is pretty silly IMO and I think most parents would agree - particularly if its a 'planned' return home and not just coming home for an indefinite period of time. I know I wouldn't want my child to be disadvantaged if they were going to come home for another 2-4 years and get financially stable enough so that they could go and stay gone and be successful as opposed to going and being so burdoned with debt that they are eating PB&J and buying used Kia Rios in order to just get by. I don't think any parent wants their kids to struggle if they can avoid it... otherwise the parents would be saying 'no, you left now stay gone'.

 

[Wendo]

I can't stand this prissy-bullshit attitude people in my generation have who graduate expecting employers to bend over backwards for them, offering them nice little $35k jobs a year. Sorry, you little fucks, you haven't worked a day in your life. Suck it up and get a goddamned job.

Jesus christ.

I'm just so sick and tired of these little assholes who expect that they'll be able to use their degrees the day after they graduate, and end up with some high paying job. No, sorry. You lose. Now get a fucking regular job like the rest of us, and wait until you get an opportunity.

I've worked in a grocery store since high school, and I'm still working in one now after I've graduated with a psychology degree. And you know what? I do just fine. Sure, that means driving an '89 Accord, and not having money to go on out-of-state vacations, but that's fine by me. I can still buy DVDs, have my own apartment, spend $15-20 a day on food, have broadband, limited cable tv...etc. And guess what? My income is LESS than $20k a year. But I can still afford for things like health insurance and car insurance just fine.

I don't buy the "but the rent is so expensive where I live!" argument either. So move.
My rent for my one bed / one bath apartment is only $485 a month, compared to MAF's $700. And I've got a pretty flashy apartment. And we only live about an hour and a half away from each other. Plus BELLINGHAM has excellent mixed-use neighborhoods, and has tons of local buisnesses that are supported by the community. But I digress.

It just ticks me off that graduates think they're so above blue-collar labor. I couldn't help laughing sometimes when I'd see people in school who recognized me as the "produce clerk from the store". They'd have this look on their face like, "What? Wait? You mean, he's just as educated as I am? But he works in a fucking grocery store!".

Seriously folks. Sure, times are rough in comparison to the past. But jesus, suck it up and get your ass to work.

 

[ge-man]

I'm living at home right now so as to concentrate on keeping up with my own debt while I sort out my job situation. I don't see it as big problem since the job market is a different beast compared to the late 90's. I'm working a part time gig right now at a Hollywood Video close to where I live and there's no way I could seriously survive on the pay, especially if I have some kind of medical disaster or such. Fortunately, I got a screening/interview thing coming up in the next couple weeks for a position in my county. It won't be the kind of work I would like to do, but if everything goes smooth I hope that by this time next year I could finally leave the nest for good.

Like Pheonix pointed out, the real problem is those that plan on a semi-permanent stay. However, a short term stay makes some sense if your folks have no problem with it.

 

[Diablos]

And guess what? My income is LESS than $20k a month. But I can still afford for things like health insurance and car insurance just fine.

Of course you can, if you're getting less than $20,000 a month I wouldn't be complaining if I was in your situation either! :lol

 

[Wendo]

I feel what's mentioned in this thread is developing into a stereotype: just because you're out of school and still at home does not mean you WANT to be. Moving out requires:

-Job security
-Knowing you are content with your job OR
-Knowing that, as someone who lives independently, if you quit or lose your job you can easily find another one that pays enough to take care of your expenses. Because guess what? If you can't, you're fucked.

Please know this before you bash everyone that's still at home.

I wanted to clarify that if you're living at home because you want to, and your parents are cool with it, hey, that's fine.

But the punks that are like OMG THERES NO CHOICE I HAVE TO LIVE AT HOME OR ELSE I WON'T SURVIVE are quite annoying.

And what "expenses" are you talking about?

 

[Drinky Crow]

I can't stand this prissy-bullshit attitude people in my generation have who graduate expecting employers to bend over backwards for them, offering them nice little $35k jobs a year. Sorry, you little fucks, you haven't worked a day in your life. Suck it up and get a goddamned job.

Amen.

 

[Wendo]

Of course you can, if you're getting less than $20,000 a month I wouldn't be complaining if I was in your situation either! :lol

n/m

 

[Drinky Crow]

$20K a MONTH is a lot.

I think you meant $20K a year.

 

[Wendo]

$20K a MONTH is a lot.

I think you meant $20K a year.

Whoops. Thanks.

 

[Diablos]

What do you mean what do I mean by expenses?

Rent, car payment, insurance, food, computer stuff, gas, etc. etc. etc.

 

[The Faceless Master]

Thanks for your keen, insightful analysis.



I dunno-I think that, after almost two decades of education and support from your parents, they deserve some time to enjoy a quiet home and time together. Just as I think it's a parent's responsibility to raise their child the best they can, I think it's the kid's responsibilty to honor that effort and give his/her parents some peace and quiet by striking out on their own, even if it means living with less than they could have with their parents.

well, gee, i think that would be up to the parents and children, now wouldn't it?

some parents arent assholes ready to kick their offspring out as soon as they hit 18/21/whatever

some parents actually LIKE having their kids around, and some kids don't mind doing things like helping out with their younger siblings with stuff like homework, transportation or babysitting...

but some people just wanna be a 'tough guy' and live like shit because they're so much cooler that way...

 

[Boogie]

I can't stand this prissy-bullshit attitude people in my generation have who graduate expecting employers to bend over backwards for them, offering them nice little $35k jobs a year. Sorry, you little fucks, you haven't worked a day in your life. Suck it up and get a goddamned job.

Jesus christ.

I'm just so sick and tired of these little assholes who expect that they'll be able to use their degrees the day after they graduate, and end up with some high paying job. No, sorry. You lose. Now get a fucking regular job like the rest of us, and wait until you get an opportunity.

I've worked in a grocery store since high school, and I'm still working in one now after I've graduated with a psychology degree. And you know what? I do just fine. Sure, that means driving an '89 Accord, and not having money to go on out-of-state vacations, but that's fine by me. I can still buy DVDs, have my own apartment, spend $15-20 a day on food, have broadband, limited cable tv...etc. And guess what? My income is LESS than $20k a year. But I can still afford for things like health insurance and car insurance just fine.

I don't buy the "but the rent is so expensive where I live!" argument either. So move.
My rent for my one bed / one bath apartment is only $485 a month, compared to MAF's $700. And I've got a pretty flashy apartment. And we only live about an hour and a half away from each other. Plus BELLINGHAM has excellent mixed-use neighborhoods, and has tons of local buisnesses that are supported by the community. But I digress.

It just ticks me off that graduates think they're so above blue-collar labor. I couldn't help laughing sometimes when I'd see people in school who recognized me as the "produce clerk from the store". They'd have this look on their face like, "What? Wait? You mean, he's just as educated as I am? But he works in a fucking grocery store!".

Seriously folks. Sure, times are rough in comparison to the past. But jesus, suck it up and get your ass to work.

If I'm working in a grocery store after I graduate, I'll up and kill myself. You may be satisfied with that, but I sure as hell won't be.

 

[The Faceless Master]

If I'm working in a grocery store after I graduate, I'll up and kill myself. You may be satisfied with that, but I sure as hell won't be.

but he can psyche people out in the cereal aisle now!

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

I quite enjoy living with my mom, stepdad, and brothers. As long as we all generally get along, this is just so much more efficient. Unless they start hating my guts or I find a serious significant other, I have little interest in making things more expensive for myself and them, being able to hang out with my family less, and generally using up just a bit more of the world's resources. My political leanings tend to be toward the direction of socialism; here's my chance to play it out on a small scale.

 

[chaostrophy]

I've worked in a grocery store since high school, and I'm still working in one now after I've graduated with a psychology degree. And you know what? I do just fine. Sure, that means driving an '89 Accord, and not having money to go on out-of-state vacations, but that's fine by me. I can still buy DVDs, have my own apartment, spend $15-20 a day on food, have broadband, limited cable tv...etc. And guess what? My income is LESS than $20k a year. But I can still afford for things like health insurance and car insurance just fine.

IAWTP.

Seriously, I know so many people who were brought up in a middle class lifestyle and expect just to stay in it after they graduate, with no effort on their part. It boggles my mind that anyone would value lifestyle items and material luxuries over the privacy and independence of having their own place.

What I ended up doing after graduation was just to keep living in low-cost apartments with roommates, keeping the same job I had while in college (eventually getting promoted) and saved up some money. Just work hard, build up a resume and good references from employers, and eventually you'll have a decent shot at a professional job.

In the town I went to college in (Bloomington, IN) it was possible to live for not much money even though rental rates overall weren't particularly cheap. Mainly because it's easy to find people in similar situations, to live with. Also, the town wasn't very sprawled out, so I could get around on a bike and avoid the expense of a car. Another nice thing about college town life was the abundance of cheap or free furniture/misc. household items available from people who were getting rid of it when moving. From what I've heard other college towns across the country are similar. Yeah, I lived in the kinds of places called "student ghetto" by the more upper-class types on campus, but it really wasn't that bad. If you have a good social life and interests to immerse yourself in the "class" of your surroundings really doesn't matter.

Another thing I wonder, is if these "boomerang kids" have ever talked to their parents about their parents' life right after college. I'd be willing to bet most of today's middle class parents of recent college graduates are like my parents, they didn't always have the lifestyle they did. Most likely they moved out of the comfort of their parent's houses, were poor for a while, but eventually learned what it took to live on their own and are now comfortable.

 

[Drinky Crow]

If I'm working in a grocery store after I graduate, I'll up and kill myself. You may be satisfied with that, but I sure as hell won't be.

You may not have a choice in the matter, chief. Nothing about this current society is obliged to make sure you get the job or salary you mistakenly think you're worth.

 

[puck1337]

I don't feel bad for most of these parents, because they're the ones inviting their kids back home.

While this is anecdotal evidence, I know several people whose parents have asked them to move back home. Not if they *need* to move back home, but "please little Billy, move back home so you can save some money and establish yourself". Hell, when I got married to my wife, her parents offered us their basement. We turned it down, but given that I was in school and we were living in a 330 ft^2 apartment on around $800/mth, the prospect of having satellite TV, free food, working showers, and an all-around luxurious house was a huge tempation.

As far as I'm concerned, if people want to live with their parents, and their parents are okay with it, that's fine with me. I didn't do it, and I wouldn't do it, but that doesn't mean that other people shouldn't, if it's going to get them ahead.

Time for more anecdotal evidence. On payday at my place of employment, the employees in their 20s and early 30s fall into two distinct groups - the people that want their cheque either that day or the next, and the people that don't care if they wait a few weeks or months to cash it (why a software house doesn't use direct deposit is totally counterintuitive, but that's beside the point). Every last impatient one, myself included, moved out of their parents' house before finishing university or shortly after. We're still paying off assorted debts that were accrued as part of achieving some ridiculous concept of freedom and independence and scraping together minimum downpayments for a place to call our own.

The patient ones that waited a few years to move out are already completely financially set - they're buying houses with 30%+ downpayments, their student debt is gone, they have significant retirement savings, and their cars are paid off. These are people that were making 45k/yr right out of university, and in a part of N.A. with a very low cost of living. So it isn't like they couldn't have struck out on their own. They just didn't want to have to have a drop in their standard of living.

Anyway, there are a lot of reasons why this is becoming more prevalent. Parents have fewer kids, so it's okay if they stay at home longer. Young people can rack up massive debt by following the horrible advice that the only well-paying and otherwise rewarding jobs require a degree. A lot of parents and adult children have a relationship that's closer to friendship and less hierarchical than in the past, so there's less tension between them.

 

[Phoenix]

You may not have a choice in the matter, chief. Nothing about this current society is obliged to make sure you get the job or salary you mistakenly think you're worth.

Well to be fair he still wouldn't have to work at a grocery store. He could still work at a department store

 

[ChrisReid]

I wanted to clarify that if you're living at home because you want to, and your parents are cool with it, hey, that's fine.

But the punks that are like OMG THERES NO CHOICE I HAVE TO LIVE AT HOME OR ELSE I WON'T SURVIVE are quite annoying.

Yeah, I'd highly recommend living at home. I graduated last summer. It's just me and my mom here. We get along, I keep busy. I worked full time throughout my entire college time, and I graduated with no debt thanks to my mom. It's taken more than a year, but it finally looks like I'll have a real job next month. I'm not gunning to move out as soon as all the paperwork goes through. My sister moved out after high school graduation, and I imagine all the money she spends on rent that I save. It's a lot of money for the privilege of roommates, no laundry and all the other annoyances.

 

[Phoenix]

This CNN Money article fits this thread so much its uncanny

The zero-savings problem

Some savings measures show households are flush, but consumers are spending every dime they make.

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - The savings of U.S. consumers are:

a) at the lowest rate since the Depression.

b) at peaks not seen even during the stock market boom of the late 1990s.

c) all of the above.

If you're wondering how "all of the above" could be the correct answer -- and it is -- walk outside your front door and look around.

Even as a government report Tuesday showed the national savings rate at zero -- that's right nada -- the rise in the value of homes has given the average U.S. household a net worth of greater than $400,000, according to a separate report from the Federal Reserve.

Household real estate assets have risen by just over two-thirds since 1999, and the run up has enabled consumers to spend more money than they are bringing home in their paychecks. They're viewing their homes almost like ATM machines, using home equity loans and refinancings to pull out cash and support a higher level of spending.

"[Rising home values] are making people feel they don't need to save," said Lakshman Achuthan, managing director of the Economic Cycle Research Institute.

That means they are spending more of their paychecks than they would otherwise. That's good news for the current economy but it could cause trouble longer term, according to some economists.

http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/02/news/economy/savings/index.htm?cnn=yes

 

[Doth Togo]

40 is the new 30. Does that make 30 the new 20?

 

[Doth Togo]

This CNN Money article fits this thread so much its uncanny



http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/02/news/economy/savings/index.htm?cnn=yes

Wait until the housing market bubble bursts. Ownage.

 

[Wendo]

What do you mean what do I mean by expenses?

Rent, car payment, insurance, food, computer stuff, gas, etc. etc. etc.

I'm just curious. I know people who complain about the high costs of living all of the time. When I ask them what they're specifically talking about, they start saying things like digital cable, cell phone bills, car payments, etc.

Heaven forbid that they get basic cable, use a landline phone, and drive a ten year old car.

 

[DarienA]

This next generation is so pussified it's not even funny... goddamn people.... BTW suburbian rocks... I moved here to get away from the white people... no wait.. the black people... no wait... the Latinos... no wait.. THE POLICE.. yeah that's it...

Then again my viewpoint may be skewed because as a black man I *did* get out of college, take a few small administrative positions until I scored a bigger IT position, and just kept on rolling to where I am today... wherever the f*ck that is....

 

[RoadStar]

i beleive this is the new fad, it will come to pass hah

 

[Triumph]

This next generation is so pussified it's not even funny... goddamn people.... BTW suburbian rocks... I moved here to get away from the white people... no wait.. the black people... no wait... the Latinos... no wait.. THE POLICE.. yeah that's it...

Then again my viewpoint may be skewed because as a black man I *did* get out of college, take a few small administrative positions until I scored a bigger IT position, and just kept on rolling to where I am today... wherever the f*ck that is....

Have fun living in the burbs when gas hits $5 a gallon. You drive an SUV too, don't you?

 

[LM4sure]

LOL. This is so hilarious. I have so many loser friends who moved back in with their parents. I guess it did pay in the end to get good marks.

 

[Boogie]

You may not have a choice in the matter, chief. Nothing about this current society is obliged to make sure you get the job or salary you mistakenly think you're worth.

I'm not saying that by Divine Right I shall rise above menial labour. All I am saying is that if, after all my hard work, both in pursuing an education and in life in general, I end up working in a grocery store next to the slacker fucktards who didn't give a shit in school and barely got out of high school with their 50% plus one, then I will be a failure.

I ain't gonna spew any shit about spending tens of thousands of dollars on an education and say I'd be "satisfied" with a bitch minimum wage job.

 

[Wendo]

I'm not saying that by Divine Right I shall rise above menial labour. All I am saying is that if, after all my hard work, both in pursuing an education and in life in general, I end up working in a grocery store next to the slacker fucktards who didn't give a shit in school and barely got out of high school with their 50% plus one, then I will be a failure.

I ain't gonna spew any shit about spending tens of thousands of dollars on an education and say I'd be "satisfied" with a bitch minimum wage job.

Hey hey hey now. Well over half of the people I work with have college degrees.

 

[Fatghost]

Lots of reasons. Suburbia is a wasteful experiment, number one. It is a horrendous misallocation of valuable, renewable and non-renewable resources. It caused the decay of inner cities number two(not vice versa, as whitey will have you believe). It's a waste of precious fossil fuels by commuters number three.

It's also an illusion. Suburban living is supposed to offer the comforts of country living within easy traveling distance of city life. Except that it has given rise to the blight of American landscape, the "comforts" it promises are horseshit(other than living away from the black folks, I suppose), and the decay of cities has made them places people are usually too scared/stupid to want to visit. Also, the "easy travelling distance" part is going to become not so easy in the very near future as gas prices continue to rise and people realize that living out in the burbs is not feasible if you're working in the city. I've already seen it in Atlanta, except of course there is no decent public transportation system to fall back upon here.

All that said, Suburban living >>>>>>> city living. No traffic, hardly any crime, nice big yards, lots of living space, all your neighbors tend to be responsible folks with jobs, no homeless pissing on your doorstep like when you're in the city, a lot more privacy, and here in Ontario, all the businesses are leaving the cities and relocating to the burbs anyway, which makes the commute even better.

I'll never move back to the city.

 

[WrathOfOtaibah]

I'm glad Wendo made that post because as a middle class kid, I get irked at my people (white and middle class) who expect a plush salary with benefits out the ass. Maybe my parents have done a good job but to me, other than basic living expenses, everything is a luxury and isn't needed. After doing one of these exercises for a HS class, expenses in my parts run about $900-1000 a month. So I only need about $12,000-15,000 to live. Then again, I live in the Midwest where the cost of living is pretty low but still.

I'm moving out after college. Something kids should be doing is saving up cash for after college. I have $3000 now in my account and I hope is at least doubled by the time I leave. Thats good for several months and should find a job by then.

My sister is an aspiring boomerang until my parents told her after High School, she has a year to find a place. She's out after that whether she has a place or not. She's pissed but thats the breaks.

 

[Boogie]

Hey hey hey now. Well over half of the people I work with have college degrees.

What the fuck do I care? I'm from a small town where there ain't shit for any type of opportunities. Half of the kids I grew up with were slacker fucktards. I told myself that I'm getting out of here.

And I didn't really know how, except for education. Everybody's always pushing it down your throat that the way to get somewhere in this world is to get yourself an education, so that's what I've been throwing all of my energy into.

So if it all turns out to be bullshit, and gets me nowhere, then you'd better damn well believe that I'll be bitching about it, and no one had better tell me to stop.

 

[Fatghost]

Have fun living in the burbs when gas hits $5 a gallon. You drive an SUV too, don't you?

I'm paying 1.10 per Litre now, which works out to about 5.50 to 6 bucks a gallon, factored into US dollars, is about 4.90 something a gallon US.

I spend close to 10,000 a year on Gas, since I drive about 80K a year. It's not so bad.

 

[Fatghost]

What the fuck do I care? I'm from a small town where there ain't shit for any type of opportunities. Half of the kids I grew up with were slacker fucktards. I told myself that I'm getting out of here.

And I didn't really know how, except for education. Everybody's always pushing it down your throat that the way to get somewhere in this world is to get yourself an education, so that's what I've been throwing all of my energy into.

So if it all turns out to be bullshit, and gets me nowhere, then you'd better damn well believe that I'll be bitching about it, and no one had better tell me to stop.

You're not from Stouffville are you?

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

This CNN Money article fits this thread so much its uncanny



http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/02/news/economy/savings/index.htm?cnn=yes

Yikes. I was always envious of my friends, but at the same time puzzled, as a youth: my parents had good jobs, worked long hours, yet we rarely had the newest, nicest cars or the biggest, nicest house. So how could my parents, who probably earned more money than most of my peers' parents, not provide my brother and I with the same luxuries my friends received? It's not that they couldn't; it's because they actually gave a shit about staying in the black, putting money towards our education in the future, putting money towards their retirment, and keeping enough money on hand in case there was ever a rainy day.

I can think of only two occasions where the spend happy philosphy of my peers' parents caught up to them. It wasn't pretty. But more disturbing than these short term failings are the long term one's. My friends reflect their parents' attitude towards money: if the bank will loan it to me, then go for it; I can spend everything I earn.

It's a disservice to yourself and your children to gamble your futures for short term benefit. As a youth, I envied the kids who had every toy, videogame, and motorcycle available, but as an immature young adult, I've come to appreciate balance.

 

[Boogie]

You're not from Stouffville are you?

Mapquest tells me that Stouffville is a mere handful of kilometres outside of the GTA, and therefore cannot POSSIBLY be one-tenth as much of a hicksville as my home town is. ;P

 

[Fatghost]

Mapquest tells me that Stouffville is a mere handful of kilometres outside of the GTA, and therefore cannot POSSIBLY be one-tenth as much of a hicksville as my home town is. ;P

A Sudbury boy then?

I went to high school for a few years in Stouffville. It was pretty backward. They even tried to give Creationism equal time there...which is pretty fucked up.

 

[Boogie]

A Sudbury boy then?

I went to high school for a few years in Stouffville. It was pretty backward. They even tried to give Creationism equal time there...which is pretty fucked up.

No. Aylmer. Tobacco town. Half the population is Mexican Mennonite (no, I'm not going to try to explain that to ya, google it, you might find something)

edit: Here's a site that explains them somewhat: http://www.afwuf.org/voicearchive18.php

 

[Fatghost]

No. Aylmer. Tobacco town. Half the population is Mexican Mennonite (no, I'm not going to try to explain that to ya, google it, you might find something)

Way out past Tilsonburg, right?

 

[Boogie]

Way out past Tilsonburg, right?

Yep, that's it.

 

[Gruco]

When I graduated, I got my own place, away from the folks, relatively nice place in Atlanta. I can get away with living by myself because I make a pretty decent salary fresh out of college, but....I also have a bunch of friends who stayed with their parents for a variety of reaons. Some work, making more than I do, and by saving on rent, get to put away an assload of savings. Others took it easy(er), just pursuing grad school options and thinking about what they really want to do or whatever. I don't doubt that their parents are happy to have them.

So yeah, I have my own place, but while I'm on my own and self-sufficient and enjoying my freedom and crap, there's still a part of me that's jealous of the quick live-with-the-parent savings plan, or the extra time figuring out grad school (I plan on going back eventually, but it's kinda of a pain to deal with on top of my work schedule)

I guess what I'm saying is, I think there's definitely a range where it's reasonable to live with your parents for a while, before it becomes overt freeloading or slacking or whatever.

Also, endorsement of all earlier criticisms of suburbia.

 

[ToxicAdam]

Generation Lazy.


People will list a million reasons why they are still at home, but the truth is that they don't want to take 10 steps back in thier standard of living. That's what it boils down to.

"Oh shit .. you mean I won't have anymore disposable cash to blow on DVD's, T-shirts, ringtones and the latest gadget of the moment?"


There used to be a stigma about living at home in your mid-20's. Your peers would make fun of you, girls would shun you and label you a momma's boy. Looks like that isn't the case anymore.

 

[Deku]

You may not have a choice in the matter, chief. Nothing about this current society is obliged to make sure you get the job or salary you mistakenly think you're worth.

That's actually a big problem. The issue isn't only in America, in Japan there's an estimated 800k to 900k NEETs (Not in Employment Educaiton or Training) mostly because they are overqualified for a job and or move between low paid work to low paid work. Telling a college graduate with a degree in Finance to work at McDonalds and waste his life there isn't productive. I'm sure he'd much rather have a job paying just as much as Mcdonalds but in a relevant field. But those are exactly the kind of jobs that are missing/

It has nothing to do with motivaiton and a lot to do with the lack of good opportunities for people to enter into once they have amassed a large deby from college or university. This isn't the 60s where the economy was booming and there was a major war to suck out men to Vietnam and lots of good paying jobs and no women in the workforce.

The current state of the economies in the developed world is very strange. There are jobs, but most of it are vacated by retering baby boomers, which immediately disqualifies most every recent graduate. Companies then fill those jobs with imported workers.

As has already been said, those people who are sitting comfortably with a job really has no right to bitch at the graduates who can't find one. Unless you happen to go through the exact same dilema most recent graduates are facing, but then again, i'd expect more empathy than a condescending attitude.

 

[Phoenix]

Recent grads, particularly in IT, are in an unenviable position. After the implosion of the market there was a lot more supply of professionals than demand. Those that have useful skills or who are able to teach themselves useful skills in the 'next big thing' will do well, but those without initiative are going to be screwed more and more as the market goes on.

 

[HokieJoe]

trying to look 'tough' and be a 'real man' may get you 'cool points' with some people but it's still not the smart thing to do...

I disagree. Making it on your own builds character and it gives you something you can call your own- independence.

 

[HokieJoe]

Wait until the housing market bubble bursts. Ownage.

I hate to say it, but it's coming. I have a friend visiting from Nantucket right now. She said her husband and she bought an average house there a few years back for around $200K I think. She said it's worth right at a million now.

They're seriously considering selling the house and moving to Asheville, NC which will be closer to family and cheaper.

 

[MetatronM]

I guess I sort of count as a boomeranger. Went away to school for one year. Transfered closer to home and lived on campus for a while and eventually moved back home (honestly, I just couldn't stand the people at that school and couldn't deal with living with them...the gay roommate handing out blowjobs while opening the window at 5 am during a December snowstorm while I was trying to sleep 5 feet away pretty much pushed that over the edge).

Now I'm out of school and ready to get a real job and move out, and the parents decide they're packing up and moving to Florida. So, like a jackass, I'm forced to hold off on getting a job (because I couldn't possibly keep one for more than a month given that I would suddenly have no place to live) and move 1000 miles south with the rest of the family (I'm already stuck typing on my grandparent's computer here as we've already sold and moved out of the old house but haven't closed on and moved into the new one yet) because I have no money set aside yet to move out.

No problem, though. I'll get a job down here, work for 3-6 months until I have enough stocked up to be able to look into getting an apartment, and then move back up to civilization (i.e. any place but here). So perhaps the best solution for any parents who want to get rid of their mooching kids is to make it so that their "home" is some place they REALLY don't want to be.

 

[TAJ]

>>>I hate to say it, but it's coming. I have a friend visiting from Nantucket right now. She said her husband and she bought an average house there a few years back for around $200K I think. She said it's worth right at a million now.<<<

You hate to say it's coming? It NEEDS to happen. I'm lucky enough to have found a sweetheart deal on my rental, but the amount of money it costs to buy a house in my area is truly frightening. The shitty 2-bedroom next door just sold for a hair over 1.3 million, and I'm a mile-and-a-half from the beach with no view. Actually, I couldn't even afford to buy a house in the ghetto at this point.

 

[WrathOfOtaibah]

Thats because people are still too foolish to live on the coasts.