Jacobson
Member
Wait, so how does others abusing the save system affect your perception of the game's difficulty? If you find the game too easy because you 'save scum', that's your fault.
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BoTWs save system seems at odds with itself
- Thread starter AEREC
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Wait, so how does others abusing the save system affect your perception of the game's difficulty? If you find the game too easy because you 'save scum', that's your fault.
I thought it was your thread too for some reason, what the hell lol.
Also you think rain sucks now, imagine if you couldn't save when it's raining because you can't light a campfire. Damn.
AquaWateria
Member
Why does everything have to be Dark Souls lmao?
balgajo
Member
I agree with op. It's almost like save states. I agree with the experimentation argument, I don't think it needs a punishment for dying. But it's very easy to abuse of this mechanic.
I see a guardian, save the game, try to parry his laser beam, reload if it didn't worked, do it ad infinitum, go to face next guardian. Suddenly all the fear of facing guardians is gone the reward for killing it doesn't matters anymore.
A check point on each region would be fine.
I see a guardian, save the game, try to parry his laser beam, reload if it didn't worked, do it ad infinitum, go to face next guardian. Suddenly all the fear of facing guardians is gone the reward for killing it doesn't matters anymore.
I don't even use Ancient Arros anymore.
ViolentP
Member
That is kinda weird.
That my friend, is a good point. That rain is too random and too detrimental to allow any sort of forward planning which essentially kills the purpose of campfire saves. Bring back the ocarina I say.
It doesn't. Designated save spots have been around for decades.
You can't disable the auto-saves and the Game Over screen will always take you to the latest save. Asking people who want more spaced-out retry points to play game designer while hopping though these hoops is unreasonable.
Jacobson
Member
That's not save scumming.
Comrade Crunch
Member
The constant saving is intertwined with the core of the game which is experimenting with the sandbox. I'd feel way less encouraged to mess about with the games systems knowing that i would get set back a bunch of time if I forgot to save or respawn super far away from where I died.
A hard mode with limited saving is fine for those who want it, but I feel the way it is now is perfect for how the game is.
A hard mode with limited saving is fine for those who want it, but I feel the way it is now is perfect for how the game is.
Turns out you don't have to manually savescum when the game does it for you every 5 steps.
J
Jpop
Unconfirmed Member
Says the guy who doesn't know what saves cumming means.
I was wondering how well can a casual gamer pick up BotW, and so far I only have one anecdotal case. My brother's gf who is hardly a gamer, casual or otherwise, seems to be really enjoying the game. I'd bet the very generous save system is part of the many reasons.
Jacobson
Member
It really doesn't save THAT often. You could also not load the auto-saves, but you would have to return to the main menu, which is a bit of a chore. I do hope that the hard mode dlc does something with the save system.
OrbitalBeard
Member
"Nintendo being Nintendo"
"It's pathetic how Breath of the Wild doesn't respect my time"
"I can't believe an open world game in 2017 doesn't have a save anywhere feature"
pelicansurf
Needs a Holiday on Gallifrey
I feel like you lose the ability to actually die relatively early on so like... there's no actual feeling of loss either way. The game is all about exploration and adventure.
I do agree it was sad when I learned how easily guardians can be defeated, since the sense of fear/panic/emptying out the inventory disappeared. I never reload the game though, so me messing up = using like 3 shields in the process, which is fine.
I do agree it was sad when I learned how easily guardians can be defeated, since the sense of fear/panic/emptying out the inventory disappeared. I never reload the game though, so me messing up = using like 3 shields in the process, which is fine.
goldenpp72
Member
FFS it's 2017!
ViolentP
Member
You know, as this conversation has progressed, I realize even if hard mode provides this, there is no way I can replay this game. One time has enough to satiate me.
It's a single player game, if you find that enjoyable then do it, it only affects your experience. No one gets a trophy for beating the game that way or otherwise.
This is a handheld game, that wouldn't work.
Jacobson
Member
Eh, it's understandable. There's also a story DLC so you could only just do that if you want to, or just ignore the DLC altogether..
...there's not some god damn merriam webster definition of "savescumming". The game effectively saves at intervals of 5 minutes or less across 5 different saves, which leads to a lot of zero-consequence deaths. Which is the underlying point of my original post, but I guess it's easier to argue semantics.
Edit: Whoops, quoted the wrong person.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
As long as the left joycon is fucked up I'll take the current save system.
I think the "Save Anywhere" system puts the emphasis back on exploration rather than careful battle engagement which is a good mix. In games with more limited saves the emphasis turns from exploration to making the shortest trip from your save to the boss location, which would make diversions more ignorable.
This. I'm super adventurous and daring cause I know the game isn't going to fuck me over and values my time
ElephantShell
Banned
A more punishing save system would be great as an optional thing, like a survival mode or something, but I'm glad it is the way it is for the standard game.
DarkConfidant
Member
I expected it to be like Dark Souls but I'm fine with it.
I can save whenever I want, and if I don't want to, I don't have to.
I can save whenever I want, and if I don't want to, I don't have to.
Yes it's worth pointing out that there are notable parts in the game where you cannot save anywhere.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
So you want it to be like Dark Souls? The last thing the series needs is to be like Dark Souls.
Sir Ilpalazzo
Member
Even Zelda 1 (the Zelda title this is said to take the most inspiration from) punished you for death, though.
Have we really reached the point where not being given godmode powers is "ridiculously restrictive"?
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
It's okay if you haven't played the game yet.
Yup.
Zelda 1 didn't punish you for getting a game over nearly as much as was typical for its time.
it's a video game, being able to save anywhere especially on a handheld is more or less essential and hardly able to be considered "godmode powers"
batman2million
Member
This. Thank you.
RichiRamjag
Member
You ain't lying there. I don't mind this suggestion for a hard mode or something like that, but some of these suggestion floating around here would ruin the game.
FaintDeftone
Junior Member
I love the save system in this game. It works beautifully on-the-go and as someone with a wife, kids and a full time job, it allows me to play safer and waste less time. It's hard for me to play a 40+ hour long game anymore and this save system combined with the portability makes that easier on me. Keep it.
Sir Ilpalazzo
Member
Being able to save anywhere - especially when the game autosaves constantly and reloads from your last autosave if you die - is definitely a god mode power, yes.
It's fine for Zelda to not be a truly difficult game - it is Zelda, of course, and it's meant to be accessible. But a game that basically doesn't make you repeat anything upon death can't ever really be challenging. So it's natural that people who want a more challenging game would hope for BotW to be more punishing that it is. (It is also true that, being an open-world game, you couldn't easily make it even as punishing as something like a Souls game, but I imagine there must be some middle ground.)