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[Lagspike_exe]

You kinda were.

Is this serious? There are a lot of differences. The world has changed. There could be race riots but holocaust comparisons?

No, I wasn't, stop putting things in my mouth.

And world has change, but you're delusional if you believe that things like WW2 couldn't happen again. Througout human history, various crises (especially crisis related to economy) were exploited to further various agendas. If you don't believe that there are still Nazi elements in Europe, read this:
http://www.vice.com/read/far-right-terror-hungary

Hungary has unfortunately seen its extreme far right fully ressurected.

 

[Lovely Salsa]

I am already prepared for WW3. I know it will happen sometime in my lifetime, question is when

 

[Warm Machine]

I am already prepared for WW3. I know it will happen sometime in my lifetime, question is when

It won't. Economics are tied so globally that a world war would collapse society. Bad mortgages/lending in the US hurt much of the world banking system and created far reaching economic damage.

A World War would do much worse. Territory control is pretty irrelevant now other than for natural resources and we still don't want the headache of actually owning and managing the populace in those places.

 

[Calantus]

It won't. Economics are tied so globally that a world war would collapse society. Bad mortgages/lending in the US hurt much of the world banking system and created far reaching economic damage.

A World War would do much worse. Territory control is pretty irrelevant now other than for natural resources and we still don't want the headache of actually owning and managing the populace in those places.

Why would that stop anything, though? Wars happen for stupid reasons; they aren't always preplanned.

 

[Hodders]

Both Judaism and Islam are religions. Jews pre-WW2 and Muslims right now had/have significant presence in many European countries, offten living in seperated communities, causing friction with the majority people. In the end, Jews were specificaly targeted based on their religion. I'm not saying Muslims in Europe could end up the same, but let's not ignore that Europe has an extremely bloody history where minorities were offten targets of violent outburts that sometimes resulted in their almost complete extermination (like in Holocaust).

Sorry but that's a fucking ludicrous comparison to make.

 

[hym]

I am already prepared for WW3. I know it will happen sometime in my lifetime, question is when

So you moved to Switzerland?

 

[Aiii]

I'm kinda in the dark, but are the recent pro-nationalist happenings in Greece related to illegal Islamic immigration?

No, Greece is about anti-EU sentiments.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

No, Greece is about anti-EU sentiments.

But don't forget that Golden Dawn is at it's core also extremely hostile to the immigrants. They actually claimed that they want to create minefields between Turkey and Greece to stop any illegal immigrants from coming in and want to create detention centres were the illegal immigrants would be forced to work:
http://cmsny.org/2013/02/04/greeces-golden-dawn-and-the-anti-immigrant-platform/

Another product of the economics crisis.

 

[Slackbladder]

They want to ignite a (holy) war, because they are convinced they will win and dominate the world, I know it doesn't make sense, but that is normal when dealing with these kinds of nutjobs.

Of course, this is assuming this was a religiously inspired attack. Might just have been a regular nutjob.

Exactly. By these acts they provoke retaliation against their own community. Molotov's thrown at Mosques in turn provokes retaliation. And so it goes on and on. Violence begets violence, and if not stopped spirals out of control.
The single biggest problem is quite simply (some) people are fucking stupid. By retaliating to these attacks they do exactly what the terrorist/murderer/extremist wants. Unfortunately it only takes a few to fuck it up for all of us unless we refuse to react to violence with more violence.

 

[Kad5]

The crusades never ended.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Put a stop to what? Just because the guy was North African and had muslim clothing, doesn't mean he was a foreigner.

I never said he was.

 

[Kurtofan]

No, Greece is about anti-EU sentiments.

Golden Dawn attacks immigrants (physically) more than they attack EU.

 

[Vilix]

I am already prepared for WW3. I know it will happen sometime in my lifetime, question is when

WW2 tinned spam is just as good today as the day it was made. Tasty.

 

[Pacbois]

The soldier is fine. The guy used a small utility blade and just made a small cut wound. Sounds like a stupid copycat from an asshole maniac...

 

[Rubbish King]

What makes you say that?

Your statement being fucking insane? That's what makes me say that? You think the government has complete control of the country? Maybe in a third world country. MAYBE

 

[xbhaskarx]

"the suspected attacker was a bearded man of North African origin about 30 years old, and was wearing an Arab-style garment under his jacket."

Authorities: "We have no idea what the motivation could be, perhaps it was a militant Buddhist or an extremist agnostic... let's not jump to conclusions."

 

[Madness]

that would never happen

What are you talking about? Things change very quickly. In the 80's, very few people thought the Soviet Union would collapse as fast as it did and communism would be trampled very quickly. No one could imagine things like Germany uniting so quickly.

Want another look? Look at Greece. 9 years ago, they held the Athens Olympics games and welcomed the world. Now, you have their athletes openly spouting racist shit before the 2012 games and Golden Dawn fascists getting 5-20% of the popular vote.

I have family in the UK, my cousin said that near where he lived, there was close to 3000 skinhead types on the streets. That's people that weren't there before the attack. Now they are probably just a drop in the bucket and not necessarily representative of the country at large, but you can guarantee, this incident cause nationalism to rise ten fold overnight. If it continues, you never know.

So you're right, I don't see a door to door search and explosion of immigrants like world war II or V for Vendetta type movies, but I can foresee numerous riots, racial attacks, and probably a reverse in multicultural or immigration policies.

It's a fallacy to think that change is permanent...

 

[nacimento]

Golden Dawn attacks immigrants (physically) more than they attack EU.

Yeah, but it's more in a "they are taking our jobs/living offour backs" like in the US with immigrants than "they are muslims".

 

[ComputerMKII]

Busted:

Update: Arrested French suspect admits to stabbing soldier
The 22-year-old Frenchman accused of stabbing a soldier in La Defense on Saturday has admitted to the attack, which is believed to have been religiously motivated, a prosecutor has said.

French police arrest man over soldier stabbing

French police arrested a 22-year-old man (pictured) on Wednesday morning over the stabbing of a soldier in the business district of La Defense at the weekend. Sources close to the inquiry said the man, arrested outside Paris, was a ‘Muslim radical’.
By FRANCE 24 (video)

Police investigating the stabbing of a French soldier in Paris arrested a suspect on Wednesday morning which sources described as an adherent of "radical Islam".
"The suspected perpetrator of the attack on a soldier Saturday evening in La Defense (business district) was arrested this morning," Interior Minister Manuel Valls said in a statement.

The statement said the suspect was arrested in the Yvelines district on the western outskirts of Paris.

Sources close to the investigation said the 22-year-old man has been a follower of a "traditionalist even radical Islam for the last three or four years".

But the sources urged caution in a case that is still in its early stages, saying the suspect was not known to be a jihadist .


Copycat concerns

The attack on Saturday in a busy underground shopping and transport hub echoed the grisly killing of British soldier in London, but authorities have not yet established a link between the two cases.

Valls told French TV channel Canal+ on Monday that police had "serious leads" on the identity of the attacker, who stabbed and injured French soldier Cedric Cordiez in the neck while he was on patrol with two colleagues.

The attacker, described by police as bearded and around 1.9 metres (six feet three inches) tall, approached the 23-year-old soldier, stabbed him and then disappeared into a crowd.

Sources close to the investigation said Monday that the suspect was caught praying on video a few minutes prior to the attack and that a plastic bag containing a bottle and a knife was found nearby.

Cordiez meanwhile was released from a military hospital on Monday morning and had rejoined his unit, military officials said.

Police in France are seeking to determine if the attack was a copycat of the brutal murder of the British soldier in London last Wednesday. President François Hollande said on Monday that the attacks could not be linked "at this stage".

The key suspect in the London attack, Michael Adebolajo, was captured on video carrying bloodied knives and a meat cleaver after the attack, saying he had murdered off-duty soldier Lee Rigby because British troops were killing Muslims.

http://www.france24.com/en/20130529-french-police-arrest-man-soldier-stabbing-france-muslim-radical

 

[Princess Carl]

Busted:



http://www.france24.com/en/20130529-french-police-arrest-man-soldier-stabbing-france-muslim-radical

Getting questionable pop-ups from that website.

 

[Famassu]

"the suspected attacker was a bearded man of North African origin about 30 years old, and was wearing an Arab-style garment under his jacket."

Authorities: "We have no idea what the motivation could be, perhaps it was a militant Buddhist or an extremist agnostic... let's not jump to conclusions."

The authorities are right, it's extremely stupid to jump to conclusions like you seem to be doing. Sure, this could be some islamic nutjob trying to ruse up people, or it could be a singular "regular" nutjob who didn't do any of this because of any religious or similar reasons. It's stupid to connect the dots when we don't have all the facts. Why should we jump to conclusions that every murder-attempt made by an Islamic person is some kind of terrorist wanting to start shit when we don't do so whenever a white Christian does so or an atheist.

Edit: Well, seems like he was an Islamic radical. But my point still stands.

 

[hym]

Not just any Muslim:

BBC - Suspect 'admits soldier knife attack in Paris'

A 21-year-old suspect arrested earlier over the stabbing of a French soldier near Paris on Saturday has admitted to the crime, officials say.

The man, named only as Alexandre, was a convert to Islam who had "wanted to attack a representative of the state", Prosecutor Francois Molins said.

Police arrested the man on Wednesday morning in the Yvelines region, 45km (28 miles) southwest of the capital.

He was traced thanks to evidence left behind at the scene, authorities said.

22 May 2013:

Sounds like a couple of guys who lost their loved ones in the war and are now out for revenge :/

The cycle of violence never ends

He sounded like born and raised in the UK to me, radicalization can happen anywhere and to anyone, plenty of converts go straight to crazy fundamentalism because that's what appeals to their anti-Western sentiment and it certainly doesn't require experiencing harm by whoever they single out as infidels.

And even if he personally knew anyone that was killed by British forces that doesn't justify anything, a soldier is an employee, he doesn't go to war because he likes it, that's a Jihadist.

 

[Choke on the Magic]

How can they tell who is a muslim and who is not?

Knives.

 

[goomba]

Targeting soldiers of countries who have attacked and/or occupied Muslim countries is much better than targeting innocent civilians , not that I'm ok with it.

 

[Choke on the Magic]

Targeting soldiers of countries who have attacked and/or occupied Muslim countries is much better than targeting innocent civilians , not that I'm ok with it.

No it's not. It's just as bad.

 

[waypoetic]

The crusades never ended.

Nope.

 

[hym]

Targeting soldiers of countries who have attacked and/or occupied Muslim countries is much better than targeting innocent civilians , not that I'm ok with it.

I completely disagree with this but I'm not going to repeat what I said about soldiers, I don't recognize they bear any responsibility.

But let's for a second assume Muslims are one people (which I also disagree with) and let's assume these are Muslim countries. Remind me again what made them Muslims countries?

It couldn't have been hostile invasions could it?

The hypocrisy of Islam.

 

[Kurtofan]

I completely disagree with this but I'm not going to repeat what I said about soldiers, I don't recognize they bear any responsibility.

But let's for a second assume Muslims are one people (which I also disagree with) and let's assume these are Muslim countries. Remind me again what made them Muslims countries?

It couldn't have been hostile invasions could it?

The hypocrisy of Islam.

Because Christianity was spread much more peacefully

 

[ComputerMKII]

Because Christianity was spread much more peacefully

Yep. Even buddhists and hindus have had blood on their hands.

 

[Eyemus Lutt]

Does this seem like a setup to anyone else?
Since when do terrorist wear stereotypical arab clothing and have big beards.

 

[hym]

Because Christianity was spread much more peacefully

Correct but it was because of doctrine the Roman Catholic Church conjured out of thin air, I would object to labeling it Christianity since they themselves revoked it later but yes at one time this was part of Christendom, and it was based on nothing which was claimed to have been said or done by Jesus.

Muhammad on the other hand:
Surat Al-Mā'idah 5:33

Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,

 

[Nicktendo86]

Does this seem like a setup to anyone else?
Since when do terrorist wear stereotypical arab clothing and have big beards.

An idiot, that's who.

 

[ComputerMKII]

Does this seem like a setup to anyone else?
Since when do terrorist wear stereotypical arab clothing and have big beards.

Mohammed Merah admitted to dressing like a typical non-muslim young guy (even having stylish hair and going to night-clubs) as a cover, but that sounds like an exception to me.

 

[BattleMonkey]

Why would that stop anything, though? Wars happen for stupid reasons; they aren't always preplanned.

WW3 would require countries going against each other. These are incidents related to specific groups and their beliefs which are now meshed into the societies of multiple countries, and generally not part of that countries core beliefs.

 

[hym]

Mohammed Merah admitted to dressing like a typical non-muslim young guy (even having stylish hair and going to night-clubs) as a cover, but that sounds like an exception to me.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 72, Number 780

Ibn Umar said, The Prophet said, 'Do the opposite of what the pagans do. Keep the beards and cut the moustaches short.' Whenever Ibn 'Umar performed the Hajj or 'Umra, he used to hold his beard with his hand and cut whatever moustaches. Ibn Umar used to cut his moustache so short that the whiteness of his skin (above the upper lip) was visible, and he used to cut (the hair) between his moustaches and his beard.

Those willing to deceive are always more dangerous, count the beards:

 

[Choke on the Magic]

Correct but it was because of doctrine the Roman Catholic Church conjured out of thin air, I would object to labeling it Christianity since they themselves revoked it later but yes at one time this was part of Christendom, and it was based on nothing which was claimed to have been said or done by Jesus.

Muhammad on the other hand:
Surat Al-Mā'idah 5:33

Are there any current islamic religious leaders who are outspoken against this shit? I always seem to see clerics/imams in interviews where they support these actions, but not so many where they outright denounce it. The interview with the religious leader who supported the UK stabbings was down right evil with his comments about the killings.

 

[ComputerMKII]

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 72, Number 780



Those willing to deceive are always more dangerous, count the beards:

Fair enough.