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DaBuddaDa said:
But marketing doesn't require a demo... people need to stop saying 'omg sent to die' just because there isn't a demo, it's bollocks and they know it
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Brink moved up to May 10th (US) | May 13th (EU)
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But marketing doesn't require a demo... people need to stop saying 'omg sent to die' just because there isn't a demo, it's bollocks and they know it
Most new IPs are being sent to die if they don't get a demo. Unless you spend millions of dollars on advertising like with Homefront, which Brink isn't getting, a demo is easily the best way to convince people to buy your unfamiliar game.
Look at how well it worked for BioShock and made a franchise.
Look at how well it worked for BioShock and made a franchise.
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commish said:
Dunno, it'd probably have done decently, Call of Duty was a proven name by then, and the reason Modern Warfare sent the CoD brand value into the stratosphere was a lot to do with word-of-mouth as well as the initial sales push. The demo helped, of course. Anywho, bad example, this is more to do with new IPs.
My point being: demos aren't the be-all and end-all of a game's success. Not saying demos hardly matter, but more just fighting the view that demos are essential. I know comparing MP game to SP game is weird, but hey, apparently Assassin's Creed 1 didn't have a demo, and look how well that did.
The game isn't going to do well, I hope it was cheap to make, but given how long it's taken I doubt it.
A demo isn't even really going to help. It's a co-op and competitive class based shooter with minimal single player. What was the last one Shadowrun? That was from a first party and it did nothing at retail. This is also coming into an insane release window.
A demo isn't even really going to help. It's a co-op and competitive class based shooter with minimal single player. What was the last one Shadowrun? That was from a first party and it did nothing at retail. This is also coming into an insane release window.
Green Scar said:
For a new IP FPS looking to take players away from COD and Halo the only way it can actually really hurt those games is by blowing away people with a demo. As people have said the Bioshock demo and the COD 4 beta were massive successes. Apart from Borderlands I can't think of one FPS that set the charts alight without a demo or beta.
Nobody wants a singleplayer demo, they want a multiplayer one.StuBurns said:
It depends on the budget. If Brink can be produced and marketed for less than twenty million, I imagine it'll be profitable, and they can hopefully get a nice user base to sell DLC to. Then maybe they get a green light for a sequel with a more involved single player, then the name is a little better known etc. It can gather speed over time. Dead Space wasn't really worth making in terms of money as a single product, but if the publisher is willing to invest in building an IP, the series can ultimately be a lot more rewarding.commish said:So now only 3 million is a success? 5 million? 10 million? There sure are a lot of unsuccessful games released
I don't Brink will do well, but I don't think it's going to kill the studio or anything. People want to keep pushing triple A titles, they're going to have to wait longer to make a lot of cash.
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Detox said:
I do think this is the case, it was more just me being fed up with a benderdoooooomed.jpg reaction whenever a game launches without a demo. For Brink, it'll definitely be an uphill struggle (and then some) without one. Still, it's not impossible for it to succeed, with a decent marketing push anyway. Bethesda ain't got nothing else to promote at the moment...
StuBurns said:
Here's a weird thing- with everyone and their mum always talking about how games nowadays are all multiplayer driven, thanks to the success of COD multiplayer and such, why the hell aren't people interested in MP-only FPSs? Seriously, they NEVER seem to do well. Kinda baffling. Perhaps they're seen as too intimidating? I'm not sure.
May is about this and the Witcher 2, people complain about the dumbed down stagnant state of the market, well guess what? If you want change we need this to be good.
Why support LA noir over this? We have seen that game many times before, from GTA to Mafia, been there done that. Sure neither games are out now so it's hard to make a call, but if I had to, Brink would be it.
Why support LA noir over this? We have seen that game many times before, from GTA to Mafia, been there done that. Sure neither games are out now so it's hard to make a call, but if I had to, Brink would be it.
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D2M15 said:
Oh yeah, that thing. Gears of Warcraft right? Totally forgot about it. Hope Bethesda gets the word out, it looked fairly good.
StuBurns said:
That's just common sense - of course it depends on the budget. And, of course, a new IP can lead to a great selling franchise, regardless of how the first in the series sells (there are a ton of examples). I don't know (or care, really) if Brink will do well or not, but I don't agree that the lack of demo, or SP mode, spells doom for the game. SOCOM, Battlefield, MAG, Warhawk, etc all seem to have done alright without a SP.
I think they're way more intimidating. If you think of the experience a player new to online has with MW2, they can play the single player campaign, that's five or six hours, maybe play thru again on hard, another six or seven, maybe take on the co-op stuff with a friend, you can spend ten hours in there getting lots of stars, then maybe do some team deathmatch, no pressure to player in a real team, then slowly build people know over time before going into the more team work demanding stuff. With Brink it's just get on with it, play together or fail, from the start.Green Scar said:
Even if you think of all the people now comfortable with the MW objective suite, they're still going into a very different game almost blind. I just think it's not as welcoming as other games. Especially as this has that focus on traversal, it's not completely unprecedented it's like Mirror's Edge's move set with Assassin's Creeds accessibility in terms of controls, but that's still a small pool of players. In that regard actually, I think a demo would have helped.
I don't think a lack of demo or SP spells doom for a game. I think it spells doom for a game with a significant budget that's been in development as long as Brink has.commish said:
Clott said:
I see, you totally have kept up with everything LA Noire....
Sorry So far Rockstar/Take 2 is getting my May money. As much as I would like Brink to be good just looking at it is not going to sell the game to me. I have to try it and see for myself if this has the potential to be fun for hundreds of hours online.
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Yeah, I pretty much have to agree Stu. I thought about the angle of 'using campaigns as training for MP', but I thought that's somewhat irrelevant due to the scripted nature of campaigns. I guess all people want to know is the controls though. I wanted a Brink demo just to mess around with SMART. :/
kamspy said:
I knew Homefront would fuck up a lot of people, but Homefront was your own fault. Was made by Kaos Studios? They've only made one other game called Frontlines: Fuel of War which was a stinker.
In comparison, Splash Damage made the two award winning Enemy Territory games which were very good fun. The developer pedigrees could not be more different.
Hopefully Brink is great and word of mouth does it well. Especially on PC.
No demo & release date changes, why hast though forsaken SD, Bethesda?
I really want it to do well but the marketing materials thus far have been lacking any sort of hype factor, as though they don't care about selling it to people who aren't already informed about it or already receptive to their list of features.
A demo would have proved it one way or the other, but I guess we'll have to wait for a reviewer who probably never played ET to let us know.
I really want it to do well but the marketing materials thus far have been lacking any sort of hype factor, as though they don't care about selling it to people who aren't already informed about it or already receptive to their list of features.
That is unfortunately my current takeaway, yes.Dance In My Blood said:
A demo would have proved it one way or the other, but I guess we'll have to wait for a reviewer who probably never played ET to let us know.
arnoldocastillo2003
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I don´t know why but i don´t trust that this game will be very good.
jaundicejuice
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I'm desperately looking for a new multi-player game to replace Team Fortress 2, a public beta or a demo would've gone miles selling me on Brink.
Mr. B Natural
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Genesis Knight said:
If you were to review the overall hype for this game, what would that score be?
And there you have your review scores a whole month ahead of time.
If you were to look at how many gaffers go "omg, my body is ready" or equivalent statements about how great a game is before they even play it, there is your gaf reception months ahead of time.
You can thank me later.
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Lunchbox said:
I think you're overrating the month. L.A Noir has "RENT ME" written all over it and the Witcher is a PC exclusive. Sales should be fine if the marketing is there and the game is actually good.
As for the game? What the hell is with the animations? My god...
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StuBurns said:
You have no idea about the game's budget, for all we know it made good profit along with anything made off dlc and such. The game had very little marketing spent on it either.
Green Scar said:
Game has had zero marketing and hype at this point, a demo would basically be it's biggest marketing push at this point. "omg sent to die", well yea it seems like it so far.
Which game? Dead Space? EA discussed their dissatisfaction with it and Mirror's Edge's performance very publicly.BattleMonkey said:
If you mean Brink and you're for some reason speaking in the past tense. I don't know the budget no. I know that it costs a lot to pay seventy professional staff for four years working in London.
EDIT: Oh MAG, I said it probably broke even, hardly a controversial opinion, it very likely did. Break even doesn't mean exactly by the way, it just means in the black, it could make a ton and still break even.
I have been keeping up with it, and the whole investigation part looks very shallow, it's them kind of trying to smear ace attourney on GTA.Dance In My Blood said:
The only interesting thing is the motion capture and that will get old fast. While brink gives you a deep and customizable experience. All I am saying is we have seen a lot more of the la noir thing than the brink thing.
This.Dabanton said:
Are people who have preordered this game for $60/£40 actually sane? This game is highly likely to drop like a stone, why not wait a little while and pick the game up for a much cheaper price? You could even spend the money you saved on getting another game in addition.
CrunchinJelly
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They have been super quiet on this game.
Too quiet.
Too quiet.
Old Gimlet Eyes
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I have been waiting for this game for a long time now and want to play it as soon as I can. I'm really hoping there is a Steam pre-load for Brink.Mr_Brit said:
cjelly said:
There are a lot of hands on previews and videos around for Brink. What do you want to know about it?
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Mr_Brit said:
I've been super hyped for this game since I first saw the trailers. I preordered on Amazon and am getting a $10 credit on it so I'm only paying $50, really. Plus since everyone is expecting this game to become a wasteland, I want to get it as soon as possible to try and fully enjoy the multiplayer experience.
Of course, people who expect the multiplayer to die out quickly are just making it a self-fulfilling prophecy if they don't buy it.