Dafuq dude? Where the effing hell are you getting Minority Report from? Getting spies into terrorist cells, tapping actual suspects. Acceptable spy stuff. Not spying on every existence which dared to live.
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British intelligence and NSA considered possibly capturing Kinect webcam traffic
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Dafuq dude? Where the effing hell are you getting Minority Report from? Getting spies into terrorist cells, tapping actual suspects. Acceptable spy stuff. Not spying on every existence which dared to live.
lol yes minority report is extreme and I wanted to make an extreme point. My point was that, there will never be enough "surveillance" to prevent every terrorist attacks because to get that "good" will require way too much. So yes, the normal spy stuff is what I would recommend as well to prevent terrorist attacks. My other point was that spying everyone in existence, doesn't have to do with stopping terrorism. BUT, it will become valuable as "needed". The same as a surveillance camera, where it will be useless majority of time. I am not saying, its OK to spy everyone in existence.
Smartphones and computers are even better. More people have them.
Smartphone can do many things but Kinect is good at what it does. (as I stated before
) Smartphones and computers are great too! Which is why no one is saying, Kinect will become the only source. It's another great option.agreed.
Well, Kinect is really damn efficient in analyzing and tracking biometric data (people are even setting it up in a way that it gets a perfect view of their whole body), so the data it generates is indeed far more valuable than that of other sources..
But then again, if I was a terrorist, I wouldn't exactly run into the next shop in order to buy an infrared camera that scans my whole living room
webcams are in mobile phones/pcs/consoles/tablets/laptops/tvs/etcetcetcetcetc ..and etc etc etc and etc etc...
kinect isnt the problem....
Well, Kinect is really damn efficient in analyzing and tracking biometric data (people are even setting it up in a way that it gets a perfect view of their whole body), so the data it generates is indeed far more valuable than that of other sources..
But then again, if I was a terrorist, I wouldn't exactly run into the next shop in order to buy an infrared camera that scans my whole living room
People think as long as they are not terrorist or do terrorist activity.. its cool. But as you can see Terrorist are the LEAST of all people to use kinect, webcam, smartphones and etc. because they OBVIOUSLY know they can be tracked. The NSA usage will not necessarily be for what we think as terrorism because terrorism is such a broad word yet many have a narrow view of what terrorism is... which makes it that much scarier
OR, you can say it's PART of the problem.
Drunk Zeppelin
Neo Member
Well, Kinect is really damn efficient in analyzing and tracking biometric data (people are even setting it up in a way that it gets a perfect view of their whole body), so the data it generates is indeed far more valuable than that of other sources..
But then again, if I was a terrorist, I wouldn't exactly run into the next shop in order to buy an infrared camera that scans my whole living room
From my interpretation of the article the webcams were intercepted when they were broadcasting over the internet. Does the biometric data stay local to the xbox? Also considering that the xbox one sales are less than 5 million wouldnt this number be too small and considered a waste of time for people to put the effort into hacking?
Xenon
Member
So it's basically all web camera traffic, but the OP needed to single out Kinect. Business as usual I suppose.
Well at least you left it open, but I would argue the odds are against that. There would have to be an app to broadcast that information. It most certainly would be something that someone could see if they monitored their network. So rather than talk down to people with some pulled out of your ass theory, why don't you go find some kind of proof of this. Mkay.
Well at least you left it open, but I would argue the odds are against that. There would have to be an app to broadcast that information. It most certainly would be something that someone could see if they monitored their network. So rather than talk down to people with some pulled out of your ass theory, why don't you go find some kind of proof of this. Mkay.
It's the NSA's job to research any and all ways to spy on any and everyone. Of course the Kinect was considered. Of course any camera on any device connected to the internet was considered. It's what they do. It isn't newsworthy to talk about whether or not they considered it, because of course they have.
if you said ALL web camera traffic, which includes kinect... right?
cookie-monster
Member
If it was possible, they did it. I mean, I'd have to ask the doubters in this thread why you believe they captured all these other private information sources but left Kinect alone?
Shalashaska
Member
The Kinect comes with every new Xbox, the Wii U Pad obviously does as well but the number of Wii U/PS Vita/PS Eyes out in the wild pale in comparison to the amount of Kinects now/will be sold. This is the gaming side so webcams/phones are not going to be a part of the discussion.
Xenon
Member
Yes, but that's the point. The thread title could have said "British intelligence and NSA considered possibly capturing Move webcam traffic" But of course that would never happen since all these tin foil hat threads focus on Kinect, and more importantly MS.
cookie-monster
Member
Move bombed. Nobody even has those hooked up anymore. It's probably questionable whether the NSA even bothered to intercept it, considering it was an abject failure.
Apparently the data stays local:
http://www.ibtimes.com/microsoft-ex...inect-collects-your-private-data-msft-1454488
Did you have a look at smartphone (those nifty devices with builtin camera, microphone and GPS receiver) sales numbers lately? Oh I heard there is one or two guys playing games on those thingies, there might even be a thread or two about smartphone games on gaf
Al Qaida investing in Move (and NavControllers or w/e they are called!) confirmed.
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
The NSA has shown time and time again that they take no issue with spying on dissidents and citizens. We should expect them to use any and all means to monitor and control us. I say this not out of cynicism or conspiracy, but in light of recent history.
Yes, because the NSA somehow knew those products were going to bomb.
This is gaming forum, hence we talk about kinect... Right?
cookie-monster
Member
I think the point is that only one video game company completely changed direction and put all their effort behind camera technology, even to the extent of force bundling it in their new system.
So you are saying Microsoft made some secret agreement with the NSA to provide them tons of data on citizens by using the Kinect. The fact that the Wii sold so well and captured the casual audience by using a gimmick had absolutely nothing to do with Microsoft's decision to the focus on greatly improving the Kinect? The Xbox division now takes funding from and works directly with the NSA in order to help spy on citizens? Because that wouldn't cause a backlash and the loss of millions of customers, right?
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
Yeah, all 20 of us
I remember a lot of people thought this seemed kinda outlandish when it was discussed months ago as a possibility. I'll say I was pleasantly surprised the XB1 worked fine without Kinect plugged in.
Your point being what exactly? And btw what about he world's biggest gaming platform (going by user numbers) that comes with builtin cameras since over ten years?
cookie-monster
Member
No, I didn't say any of that bullshit, just addressing the point as to why we're talking about Kinect specifically.
Oh ok well I guess your point is completely lost on me.
NullPointer
Member
Its an audio/visual biometric device framed perfectly in the living room and connected to the internet.
No shit there's interest in tapping into the thing. In addition to webcams and phones and tablets and any other digital keyholes you can possibly peer through or tap.
No shit there's interest in tapping into the thing. In addition to webcams and phones and tablets and any other digital keyholes you can possibly peer through or tap.
Xenon
Member
You did notice I put Move in there, right?
Move doesn't count in this thread because it has bombed
even though the article clearly states that other consoles have been considered as targets as well.
Xenon
Member
The PS4 camera is bombing so hard you can't even find it in stores.
You got some mighty big hands shakes.
NoPiece
Member
Xenon, the article specifically mentions capturing Kinect traffic in addition to yahoo, so the thread title seems totally appropriate.
PaulExcellent
Member
I need to pick up a Kinect, then.
Someone's got to see my balls. Might as well be them.
Someone's got to see my balls. Might as well be them.
We know NSA tapped into Kinect and pretty obvious still does, the only "question" is if GCHQ does it also.
FlyingSaucer
Banned
S¡mon;102488696 said:
Spying on your citizens have nothing to do with terrorism and all to do with political control of the people. Whoever or whatever you are in 10, 20 or 30 years, never forget they will know anything there is to know about you.
That's what they claim.
They implemented backdoors before. Why should we assume that they didn't do it in this case?
http://www.crn.com/news/security/240158220/outlook-bleak-microsoft-leaves-backdoor-open-for-nsa.htm
CadetMahoney
Member
pretty much.
And yet here we are.
I think I will never use webcams for this reason.