darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
If Bruce Jenner wasn't a celebrity this accident probably doesn't happen.
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Bruce Jenner involved in Car Crash
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If Bruce Jenner wasn't a celebrity this accident probably doesn't happen.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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The victim's family probably does probably have one hell of a wrongful death claim against him though.
The cops won't do anything about it because taking photos of someone in a public place isn't illegal.
As for the situation, it's difficult to see Jenner as a victim when his entire family has basically made its living off the paparazzi. If the Jenner/Kardashian clan didn't encourage the paparazzi, they wouldn't be nearly as famous or have the income that they do today.
When you build a second career off the paparazzi, you can't really complain about their existence.
You take empathy in sentencing; perhaps in offering a plea deal.
But just like if you are speeding to see your wife at the hospital to give birth and kill someone.. it's still a crime deserving of prosecution.
People in general have a problem understanding that an act can be both understandable and criminal; likely due to how they perceive "criminals."
But just like if you are speeding to see your wife at the hospital to give birth and kill someone.. it's still a crime deserving of prosecution.
People in general have a problem understanding that an act can be both understandable and criminal; likely due to how they perceive "criminals."
I never tried to absolve Jenner from anything. Of course they're both at fault. But this should be another reminder that the the obsessive nature of the paprazzi in this country has to change. Paparazzi following anyone will affect their capacity to drive to some degree.
When did I ever excuse what happened. I said she is a victim of harassment, one doesn't cancel the other.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
I think you guys are underestimating the effect being stalked can have on a person. My best friend was stalked for a grand total of 15 minutes one night by a car and suffered PTSD effects for more than a year afterward. It took selling his car and seeing a psychologist to get him over it.
No I simply understand the law and it's purpose. If your friend had killed someone reckless driving away from their stalker; they committed a crime. One that I would be understandable about; one I might commit myself in the same position.. but a crime none the less.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Bruce Jenner was one of the most famous American athletes for an entire decade. Gold medal Olympian. On the cover of Wheaties boxes.
The Shogun
Banned
And........?
That suddenly makes him innocent? You still need to maintain control of your vehicle
victreeb3l
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Ban paparazzi. Send them all to prison.
It's not an excuse for driving recklessly. I don't have any sympathy for him here.
I don't know about you but being stalked and chased regardless of whether I know who's stalking me still gives me anxiety. I wouldn't be paying attention to anything else because IDK it's nerve racking being stalked. of course both parties are at fault but blaming Jenner with most of the fault is ridiculous. I've been in situations where things were hectic (my girlfriend was suffocating in the seat next to me) and I was driving 110 without realizing it. I got pulled over by a cop and he let me go because he understood the situation. being reasonable in hectic situations is not common, especially when you've had a shit ton of adrenaline pumping in your veins.
In most States following someone in a car is illegal; but not a felony, just a ticketable offense.
It's illegal even if you are following a friend to a restaurant; because it's dangerous.. your focus is on following someone often leading to poor lane changes, etc.
The paps might be liable in a civil trial because of that; and should be sought out and ticketed if California law makes following illegal.
It's illegal even if you are following a friend to a restaurant; because it's dangerous.. your focus is on following someone often leading to poor lane changes, etc.
The paps might be liable in a civil trial because of that; and should be sought out and ticketed if California law makes following illegal.
The Shogun
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Ya I am pretty sure that this family/reality star enterprise leaks their travel plans every so often to inflate the paparazzi presence. They make a living off this shit, and this is the most tragic consequence of it.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
I just think its bizarre to say someone gets away with something only because they're a celebrity when the tragedy happens because they're a celebrity.
Hard to really say much until some facts are in but it blows my mind there are people who defend paparazzi.
Because paparazzi aren't stalking celebrities. They are following them to take their picture.
Stalking has a specific legal definition and using it in instances where it isn't actually happening hurts the discussion.
That isn't to say that the paparazzi in this instance weren't acting recklessly. We don't know that.
There isn't; just a bunch of people not understanding that you can't break the law and kill people just because someone else is doing something wrong.
Find me one post defending the paparazzi.
Threads like this kill me; just because it might be something you'd do, doesn't mean it isn't a crime.
CountAntonius
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Fucking paparazzi. Ridiculous.
This not the same, he has courted attention in the past, has a public profile and makes a living from the celeb scene.
Not some random person stalked by someone for no reason.
False equivalency and making excuses for someone who has helped kill an innocent.
The Shogun
Banned
Pretty sure no one is defending paparazzi?
Actually it all goes back to OJ Simpson... if that trial doesn't happen:
- Robert Kardashian never becomes known for being on OJ's defense team
- There's no "Keeping up with the Kardashians" reality TV show
- Jenner is still a minor celebrity for being an Olympic gold medalist/actor but nobody that media care enough about to stalk
Jenner rear ended somebody which leaves her at fault for the death. Jenner can still try and sue the paparazzi if she wants too, though. That's just the way it seems right now. Sad situation for Jenner and the lady who died. Would you want to live knowing you accidentally caused somebody's death? That's just terrible.
"Just let them take your damn picture"
"They are not chasing celebrities"
Yea ok LOL
Which was pretty much over by the time he married Kris Jenner. He's spent most of the last decade as part of the Kardashian reality bubble (aka the second career). And he has his own reality special coming out as part of his rumored upcoming transition.
It's not like he's just an average guy trying to live an average life.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
Holy shit, I'm going to be edgy and claim people are defending the Paparazzi, guys look at me.
No that isn't what is happening here. What is happening here is people are saying regardless of the paparazzi you are still responsible for speeding and reckless driving.
That one is maybe borderline. But explain to me how one post is a "Defense force" then?'
How about instead of jumping into a thread and not quoting anyone and laying down a blanket statement you address the single post you were referring to?
The Shogun
Banned
Exactly
enanogrande
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If your driving in that situation had caused the death of another person the cop wouldn't let you go, no matter what the reason.
Paparazzi are horrible, and I thank god I don't have to deal with something like that every day of my life - but Papparazzi aren't kidnappers, there's no reason to drive recklessly to get away from them. I understand Jenner might have been anxious to get away from them, these past couple of weeks must be intense for him... but it's still his actions that caused the death of the woman in the other car, not the Papparazzi's.
There are obviously exemptions that legally justify driving faster than is legal or disobeying normal traffic laws.
Emergency vehicles are allowed to do it in certain situations.
Is there any such exemption for citizens who reasonably feel that they are in danger?
Not saying Jenner did in this instance, or was justified in doing anything he did, just curious.
Emergency vehicles are allowed to do it in certain situations.
Is there any such exemption for citizens who reasonably feel that they are in danger?
Not saying Jenner did in this instance, or was justified in doing anything he did, just curious.
FunkyMunkey
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As long as those people were obeying speed and traffic laws, Jenner is absolutely responsible for that death. Slamming into a car hard enough to send it out into traffic, come on. And someone in this thread saying blaming Jenner is victim blaming, no, the victim is the dead person ffs.
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enanogrande
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In most jurisdictions, fear of bodily harm/any harm at all will excuse your actions to a certain degree.
Being chased by Papparazzi, however, in no way puts Bruce Jenner in any danger.
obviously I would've been in deep shit but that's not my point. I'm not talking about the law, I'm mostly talking about the lack of empathy here. The point is that if he's feeling anxiety and being chased commonly causes a flight or fight response he's not going to be thinking clearly. it has nothing to do with whether he chose to drive recklessly or not. if you feel yourself lacking mentally stability while being chased you're NOT going to be paying attention and it's not a choice of whether you do or not, you just react. that's the whole point of a fight or flight response. celebrities don't choose to be followed and not all of them get use to it. the lack of empathy for jenner is disgusting whether he's at fault or not he didn't choose to get followed. obviously the law doesn't see eye to eye on this but something needs to get changed about laws regarding these freelancers.
The paparazzi is likely a convenient excuse. More likely he was texting and driving or something equally distracting. You'd think if he was being ' chased ' he'd be passing better attention to the road. Or let me guess, he was looking over his shoulder in a panic, like in the movies, and didn't see the car stop in front of him.
Then neither was Bruce. Their speed would have been dictated by his.
Then neither was Bruce. Their speed would have been dictated by his.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
What an awful situation for everyone involved.
Fuck papparazzi, but you can't really live your life in the public eye via a hugely successful reality show, generate heaps of publicity and then expect not to be followed by them. Not to say that has any bearing on who's at fault here - just interesting seeing people's reactions to the photographers following him.
Fuck papparazzi, but you can't really live your life in the public eye via a hugely successful reality show, generate heaps of publicity and then expect not to be followed by them. Not to say that has any bearing on who's at fault here - just interesting seeing people's reactions to the photographers following him.
You're responsible for not hitting what's in front of your car. It's pretty simple.
Don't think there are actual "exemptions."
The DA can take it into account and choose not to press charges; but that would likely depend on how the family of the dead or injured are reacting.
A jury/judge/prosecution can take it into account and offer a plea, or light sentencing.
It's clearly a crime; but I'd be fine with him not being charged since he'll probably be getting sued and compensating the family a tremendous amount of money. In that case he will "pay" for his mistake either way, and I don't see the need to criminal prosecute him.
Do you actually know that or are you just saying that because it makes sense to you? Do you actually know that in California there is no instance where running into the back of somebody and killing them is legally "justified" in that you are not legally responsible?
Not being a dick, I honestly don't know and I honestly don't know if you are in a position to know either.
Same for riotous. I seem to think he has a legal background but not sure.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
I have plenty of empathy but right now 90% is being levied at the family of the dead woman who got rear ended and pushed into oncoming traffic.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
You seem open to the concept of partial responsibility. The paparazzi also contributed to this accident. What should their punishment be?
Punishment/responsibility isn't a zero sum game.
Well, that's a terrible situation no matter how you slice it.
I feel horrible for the woman who died and her loved ones. The story is generally being broken online like "Bruce Jenner involved in deadly accident, but don't worry he's okay." I mean I doubt they care right now how it's being reported, but yeesh.
I feel horrible for the woman who died and her loved ones. The story is generally being broken online like "Bruce Jenner involved in deadly accident, but don't worry he's okay." I mean I doubt they care right now how it's being reported, but yeesh.
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