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Bruce Jenner involved in Car Crash

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Wait, the Lexus hit a Prius first right? So why is Jenner getting blame here when we have no idea what happened? Maybe it was his fault, who knows. But jumping the gun and making accusations before any facts come out is ridiculous. Maybe since there was an accident right in front of him he tried to make an evasive maneuver and failed. You can leave plenty of distance between your car and the car in front of you and still not react quickly enough to avoid an accident.
 
Don't Laugh said:
american revenge mentality
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So texting while driving should have no consequences whatsoever? A person kills another person because they were on their phone and it's just 'welp, shit happens'? It doesn't even need to be specific to this case, I wonder what you think a valid punishment would be.
 
Holy shit this is crazy, surprised that they have pictures.. Imagine he was checking his phone while towing that shit
 
Ace Harding said:
Wait, the Lexus hit a Prius first right? So why is Jenner getting blame here when we have no idea what happened? Maybe it was his fault, who knows. But jumping the gun and making accusations before any facts come out is ridiculous. Maybe since there was an accident right in front of him he tried to make an evasive maneuver and failed. You can leave plenty of distance between your car and the car in front of you and still not react quickly enough to avoid an accident.
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Even if that is true, you are still at fault. Hell there can be something in the middle of the road that 'causes' me to swerve out of the way. If I then hit someone, guess what, still my fault.
 
Don't Laugh said:
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What.

Take it from a former EMT who has seen more than I'd care to remember, texting while driving kills people. It's a selfish irresponsible act that absolutely needs to punished to the fullest extent of the law.
 
Ugh. Stuff like this is the reason why I prefer to not drive. It's illegal to text/drive here but I still see people do it all the time; Making a pretty dangerous activity even more dangerous.
 
Dave Inc. said:
What good does that do anybody? Texting and driving is stupid, it doesn't make the person a criminal that needs to be separated from society.
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If you do anything to purposely distract yourself to that level while driving you should be considered a criminal. Sorry. Pay full attention to the road or get the hell off of it.
 
Dave Inc. said:
What good does that do anybody? Texting and driving is stupid, it doesn't make the person a criminal that needs to be separated from society.
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People that are willing to risk their lives as well as innocents around them over a fucking text don't deserve to be a part of society.
 
Arrogant Bastard said:
Even if that is true, you are still at fault. Hell there can be something in the middle of the road that 'causes' me to swerve out of the way. If I then hit someone, guess what, still my fault.
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Well I better just quit driving. If someone ahead of me makes a bad decision and I hit them it's my fault? Fuck that.
 
I always find it odd when someone who has made a point of milking the paps and reality tv, to quickly try and blame them every time they need a scapegoat.
It is sad that someone died like this, will be even worse if it turns out that texting or something was involved.
SMH at anyone calling Jenner the victim here.
 
Ace Harding said:
Well I better just quit driving. If someone ahead of me makes a bad decision and I hit them it's my fault? Fuck that.
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That's what the insurance guy told me. The at fault is always the one in the back. You should leave enough room for any/all mistakes ahead. I got the ticket even though a guy ran our in front of this van and I hit the back of the van doing 10mph or less. The van was breaking so hard that it went nose down tail up and I was actually under it doing the same thing when we collided.

I argued that if I leave room then someone cuts in front of me at some point in back to back traffic I am essentially stopped letting everyone in.
 
Ace Harding said:
Well I better just quit driving. If someone ahead of me makes a bad decision and I hit them it's my fault? Fuck that.
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Why are you following so close? Were you distracted by your phone or something? Most rear enders are avoidable if you follow the speed limit, keep your distance, and not distract yourself. So, maybe consider driving properly before giving up on driving.
 
yeah safe distance at those speeds is like 4 or 5 seconds behind isn't it? it gives you plenty of time to not drill someone from behind in case they have to suddenly stop or swerve. it's one of those things that no one ever does but if they did it would reduce the amount of accidents.

and yeah rear ending someone is 99.9% going to be your fault.
 
Wreav said:
Only on GAF.
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It isn't only on GAF. Texting while driving has been criminalized in several states within the U.S. and many countries. You are actually the outlier here, if you believe texting while driving isn't an unreasonable and dangerous act, that threatens lives.
 
Rip to the lady.
Hopefully this doesn't get spun into "transitioning individuals aren't stable and shouldn't drive," or some kind of click bait drivel. Shame on the cheap shots taken in this thread.

Jenner may not be fully to blame, but at least partially. This is why you give room to stop and don't tail gate, especially if you have a trailer.

How do they prove cell phone use? If someone text him, that's not his fault. And after the accident he may have checked a message. Do they look for active conversation?

Texting and driving is bad. It takes much more focus away from driving then something like changing the station. I was almost hit crossing the driveway in a shopping center. I was jumping up and down waving as they blew by way too fast with their head down texting. A child would have been smashed.

Horrific accident.
 
malfcn said:
How do they prove cell phone use? If someone text him, that's not his fault. And after the accident he may have checked a message. Do they look for active conversation?
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They have the ability to look for any user initiated data transfer at or very close to the time of the accident. Could be anything, typing into GPS, web browsing, texting, music, email..anything. It's all the same as texting in the eyes of the law, anything not hands-free on a cell-phone is illegal.
 
malfcn said:
How do they prove cell phone use? If someone text him, that's not his fault. And after the accident he may have checked a message. Do they look for active conversation?
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I might be misinterpreting your post but how is it not his fault if someone sent him a text and he chose to look at it?
 
Do not confuse me saying that a death resulting from texting and driving does not require jail time with me saying that they should be absolved of consequences. There is a world of difference between someone making poor judgment decisions in a world that is only just now beginning to discourage the activity in question, and someone doing something to actively harm another person.

Revocation of a driver's license, community service, etc.? Absolutely. Putting them in prison? A monstrous miscarriage of justice and a significant and unnecessary burden on society. Prison needs to be restricted to people who have shown they are not prepared to be a member of society and need rehabilitation, not for people getting unlucky while doing what is still a pervasive, if frowned upon, social behavior.
 
Obscura said:
I might be misinterpreting your post but how is it not his fault if someone sent him a text and he chose to look at it?
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If someone sent him a message, and he didn't look at it during the time of the accident.

tapedeck said:
They have the ability to look for any user initiated data transfer at or very close to the time of the accident. Could be anything, typing into GPS, web browsing, texting, music, email..anything. It's all the same as texting in the eyes of the law, anything not hands-free on a cell-phone is illegal.
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Is that at device or service level?
 
I'd say between 25-50 million to the family of the deceased, a couple thousand hours of community service, license suspension, and no tv/magazine interviews in exchange for no jail time.

ETA- Dude probably drove regular speed with that big ass trailer thinking he could still stop the same.
 
silkysmooth said:
yeah safe distance at those speeds is like 4 or 5 seconds behind isn't it? it gives you plenty of time to not drill someone from behind in case they have to suddenly stop or swerve. it's one of those things that no one ever does but if they did it would reduce the amount of accidents.

and yeah rear ending someone is 99.9% going to be your fault.
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I've always gone by the "1 foot for every mph" rule.
 
Safe following distance is two seconds. Find a landmark along the side of the road, when the car you're following passes it, two seconds should pass before you get to the same landmark.
 
The mental gymnastics in this thread is incredible. This should be an example for a lot of gaffers, and folk in general not to jump to any conclusions right away, and wait until all the evidence is present.

And fucking really? Did some people on this very page just say what's the big deal about texting and driving? Christ....
 
I really don't understand why people tailgate. Unless you're intending on overtaking the car in front you're not going to reach your destination any faster. Are they trying to save fuel by using the slipstream? Unless I'm moving very slowly in a traffic jam I always leave at least 3 car lengths in front of me and even more if I'm going fast.
 
Dave Inc. said:
When I saw the photo the first thing I thought of was "no seatbelt". My car (early 2000 dodge neon) looked that bad when I hit a truck head on at 50mph and I walked out of it with scratches, bruising and muscle sprains.
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Happy you're (still) here.

I thought the same. The "moment of impact" pics are not clear enough.
 
Dave Inc. said:
Do not confuse me saying that a death resulting from texting and driving does not require jail time with me saying that they should be absolved of consequences. There is a world of difference between someone making poor judgment decisions in a world that is only just now beginning to discourage the activity in question, and someone doing something to actively harm another person.

Revocation of a driver's license, community service, etc.? Absolutely. Putting them in prison? A monstrous miscarriage of justice and a significant and unnecessary burden on society. Prison needs to be restricted to people who have shown they are not prepared to be a member of society and need rehabilitation, not for people getting unlucky while doing what is still a pervasive, if frowned upon, social behavior.
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Sorry just cannot agree. If you are texting/driving and hit someone causing their death you belong in jail. You are not prepared to be a member of society if you have such a hard time understanding how dangerous texting while driving is.

Dave Inc. said:
Nobody said that, just a discussion on the legal consequences of people getting hurt as a result of it.
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Not hurt, killed. Dead, no longer living. We aren't talking about you getting a few bruises here.

If you cause an accident because of texting/driving you should have to take a class, community service, revocation of license. You kill someone because of it, guess what, time for jail.
 
Arrogant Bastard said:
Sorry just cannot agree. If you are texting/driving and hit someone causing their death you belong in jail. You are not prepared to be a member of society if you have such a hard time understanding how dangerous texting while driving is.
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The dangers of texting while driving are still in the introduction phases and the activity is still legal some places. Furthermore, driver's education in America is terrible[/i], so people, who are already poor at evaluating risk, are going into these decisions from a position of ignorance.

These are not people who have killed through a conscious decision towards violence, they are people with lapses in good judgment who might otherwise be great contributors to society. What point is there in putting them in prison? Who gains from it?

There are other and more reasonable consequences for this than putting negligent drivers behind bars.

PS - I don't see why there are different consequences for texting while driving based on the outcome of the action. There's no difference between someone who texts and runs a stop light on a clear street and someone who texts and t-bones a car while running a stop light. None. They did the same exact thing but the results were different. Why does one go to jail and the other does not?
 
norm9 said:
The results.

For example, assault and assault with a deadly weapon. Get into an accident and get into an accident while drunk. Different parameters causing greater punishment.
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Those are all different behaviors leading to different outcomes. What's the difference, though, between driving drunk and getting into an accident, and driving drunk and not getting into an accident? What's the difference between firing a gun into a crowd and not hitting anybody and firing into a crowd and killing someone? Should they be judged differently?

That's really a much broader question than what this thread is looking for, though.
 
Dave Inc. said:
Those are all different behaviors leading to different outcomes. What's the difference, though, between driving drunk and getting into an accident, and driving drunk and not getting into an accident? What's the difference between firing a gun into a crowd and not hitting anybody and firing into a crowd and killing someone? Should they be judged differently?

That's really a much broader question than what this thread is looking for, though.
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If I punch you in the face and you are just bruised it is one charge. If I punch you in the face and you die it's another.
 
Dave Inc. said:
These are not people who have killed through a conscious decision towards violence, they are people with lapses in good judgment who might otherwise be great contributors to society. What point is there in putting them in prison? Who gains from it?
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Are you unaware of vehicle manslaughter laws that have been around for decades and decades in most states? If you hit and kill someone due to negligence you tend to go to jail.
 
Cheebo said:
Are you unaware of vehicle manslaughter laws that have been around for decades and decades in most states? If you hit and kill someone due to negligence you tend to go to jail.
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if he was texting he needs to go for a long time.
 
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