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Bruce Lee vs. Wladimir Klitschko - GO!
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This how a fight between the two would go:
Wlad controls the space, cuts off Lee's movement and then does one of these:
punches lee
leg kicks lee
body kick lee
grab lee and knee him to death
Bruce lee would have no chance of beating Wlad. I would only give him a chance in a situation where put Wlad on his back and Lee on top of him or Lee in a position where he has Wlad's back. You all need to toss out the make believe shit about Lee being too fast to touch or he would just run until Wlad was tired.
Wlad controls the space, cuts off Lee's movement and then does one of these:
punches lee
leg kicks lee
body kick lee
grab lee and knee him to death
Bruce lee would have no chance of beating Wlad. I would only give him a chance in a situation where put Wlad on his back and Lee on top of him or Lee in a position where he has Wlad's back. You all need to toss out the make believe shit about Lee being too fast to touch or he would just run until Wlad was tired.
Explain how. How does Lee get close enough to kick Wlad in the nuts or go for the eyes when Wlad has the reach advantage and is a world class striker. And probably the best ever at controlling distance and his opponent's position? Bruce Lee would have to get through Wlad's range to get into his own range to do anything. All the skill in the world doesn't matter if you can't get past someone's range. Which is why I laugh at all the illegal death moves talk.params7 said:
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okdakor said:
a chimpanzee would obviously destroy both of them... at the same time.
Because Wladmir is a boxer and Lee was pretty much the greatest martial artist who specialized in street fighting (ignore the pun I know we're on a gaming forum). And street fighting has no weight classes, unlike fighting sports which have rules to make fights fair by size.
Unless you can prove Wladmir has muscles on the side of his nose, chin, below his ear, ribcage, knees, etc. Lee would pick Wladmir apart in the streets.
Unless you can prove Wladmir has muscles on the side of his nose, chin, below his ear, ribcage, knees, etc. Lee would pick Wladmir apart in the streets.
DonasaurusRex
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maybe this should've been bolo vs klitschko
So you can't explain what Lee would do to get into his range to do damage to Wlad? Why even bother posting that nonsense. Wlad is trained to kill more so than Lee since he is great at things that have more use in fighting. He is great at controlling range, throwing punches and kicks and standing grappling. If either one of them was going to die in a street fight between the two it would be Lee. If Lee tried to grapple with Wlad and Wlad caught him in a plum(which would most likely happen since Wlad has a size and strength advantage) Wlad would knee the front of his face into the back his skull.params7 said:
Based on his boxing and kickboxing matches where he controls the ring and humiliates his opponents?params7 said:
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DKehoe said:
Being faster can nullify that physical advantage in reach. Look up fights of that 5'10 boxer who people claim could beat Ali. Except the speed difference in Lee vs Wladmir would be much greater than Tyson vs Ali.
lol @ thought of taller guy > automatic KO in street fights.
Even Wlad's blocked shots would be extremely painful for Lee, and given the size advantage Wlad could also afford to take more risks (although he'd still probably decide to bore Lee to death).
I think either a Crocop Vs. Wlad street fighter or a Lennox Lewis Vs. Wlad boxing match would be much more even. My money would be on Lewis in a boxing match.
I think either a Crocop Vs. Wlad street fighter or a Lennox Lewis Vs. Wlad boxing match would be much more even. My money would be on Lewis in a boxing match.
params7 said:
And how did you come up with Wladmir's range > Bruce Lee's range in the first place?
Sorry but your avatar kind explains these silly posts you keep making.
For one Klitschko is about a foot taller with a wingspan that dwarf's Lee's range. But I guess your logic is that Lee is about to jump 16 feet in the air and do flying roundhouses and easily leap over and even in some cases on top of his opponent.
If Lee is able to access the Super Saiyan in him, he'd win.
Everything Lee did is 'fabled'. Look up that word in the dictionary.( "story not founded on fact" ) He's a fanboy's dream come true with 0 verifiable combat experience against real fighters. Only stories and legends, etc.
Klitschko is a world class trained fighter. Lee is...an actor who looked good on camera and apparently slew dragons with his fists when he wasnt.
DKehoe
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You were talking about Bruce Lee having a better reach than Klitschko because of his speed. Reach is purely down to the physical measurement of the length of someones arms. It's not even a debateable point. As charsace said, it really comes across as you not knowing what you are talking about.params7 said:
Correct. Also, don't forget that Klitschko was a champion kickboxer, its not like Bruce could go all Marco Ruas on him with a leg kick KO. A good big man beats a good small man most of the time...Veidt said:
EDIT: wrong Klitscho for the kickboxing, but still...dat 100lbs weight advantage...and if we're spotting Bruce Lee life then we could spot wladimir a kickboxing lesson or two from his brother.
DonasaurusRex
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HiResDes said:
didnt they already fight? lennox lewis hit like a mac truck
TheRagnCajun
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params7 said:
So basically, you see Lee kicking Wladmir in the balls. Thats your scenario?
Imp the Dimp
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charsace said:
You're talking about Vitali. Wlad never was into kickboxing as far as I kow.
But that is not the point I am arguing. That guy assumes that as long as a person has a longer reach, it is an automatic KO. I am just saying it is never so clear cut. Especially when skill, experience, and techniques are involved. These have an obvious effect, but they are so hard to quantify in any meaningful way.Tapiozona said:
I don't know much about Bruce and Waldimir BTW, so I am not going to get into this argument. But it just seems to me that argument by weight in ingenuous. There is nothing to stop Bruce Lee from gaining weight/mass. Most champion weightlifters in the last olympics are asians after all.
DKehoe said:
Never said that, admitted in first half of the first sentence that Lee has smaller physical reach, then proceeded to say how its not the convincing factor in the outcome.
Tapiozona said:
dat ad hominem
Range alone does not decide who'll win in a street ffs. Stop jerking over boxing rules thinking no boxer can be beaten by a smaller guy in a street fight. A boxer would fare no better in a street fight than he would in another fighting sport like UFC.
Do I believe some random internet poster or real fighters who actually fought Lee?
That's another debate. I can say history is written by the victors too and Hitler was a good guy and just misunderstood but that doesn't mean its true. The 60s didn't have cell phone cameras or we would have seen crap load of footage of Lee fighting.
DKehoe
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So what did you mean by this post?params7 said:
params7 said:
params7 said:
But we don't. So we have no way of knowing what he would be like. This is the point several people have been trying to make. There is no solid evidence of what Lee is like. Klitschko on the other hand has been seen by millions fighting world class competition. We know what Klitschko's abilities are, we have no clue what Lee would be like so it is ridiculous to just assume he would be great based on the accounts of his friends.
params7 said:
Bigger guy, with gigantic reach, who just so happens to be a world champion, who hasn't been defeated in a very long time*
VS.
A much smaller martial artist who is known more for his moves on camera than off camera, who has near to no professional fighting experience.
AranhaHunter
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params7 said:
Of course, because in a street fight Lee would have a gun or a knife and Wlad would be unarmed.
I really like Bruce Lee for his history and what he did, but he would have no chance against Wlad. I won't even bother replying to people that are seriously saying that Bruce would win because, really, I cannot help you.
AranhaHunter said:
No in a street fight he can go for the legs and any other bodypart thats forbidden to be atacked in boxing. Also anything can be used as a weapon in a streefight. Not just guns or knives.
I bet Lee has had more training and practise using sticks etc then wlad ever did.
In the last Bruce Lee thread I posted how imo Bruce Lee is only seen as the best martial artist to ever live because he was the first to bring martial arts, his ideas of mix martial arts, training and nutrition to the mainstream. These ideas were not unique at the time the world was getting smaller and smaller and the martial arts revolution was going to happen. Lee just happened to be the most charismatic person to do it.
DonasaurusRex
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projekt84 said:
chuck norris was professional for a time though right?
Heck I'd love seeing someone like Brock Lesnar vs. Lee .... Lesnar who probably isn't half the fighter Wlad is would still wreck Lee.
A 280 lbs. man charging like a freight train at a 160 lbs. man would just be hilarious to see. Just watch a heavyweight UFC fight and see how explosive some of those guys are with their moves and how fast they can be. Though I guess Bruce Lee would just sidestep the charge and deathkick Brock in the head.
Bruce Lee never fought ANYONE. Could he be the best martial arts practitioner / instructor? Sure. Fighting and instructing are two entirely different beasts.
Of course in a street fight anything could happen and get a fluke hit in or smash someone with a bottle ... whatever. If we are talking a sanctioned fight with rules .... there is no reason to believe a lightweight would defeat a super heavyweight. The advantages for the bigger man are just too great.
A 280 lbs. man charging like a freight train at a 160 lbs. man would just be hilarious to see. Just watch a heavyweight UFC fight and see how explosive some of those guys are with their moves and how fast they can be. Though I guess Bruce Lee would just sidestep the charge and deathkick Brock in the head.
Bruce Lee never fought ANYONE. Could he be the best martial arts practitioner / instructor? Sure. Fighting and instructing are two entirely different beasts.
Of course in a street fight anything could happen and get a fluke hit in or smash someone with a bottle ... whatever. If we are talking a sanctioned fight with rules .... there is no reason to believe a lightweight would defeat a super heavyweight. The advantages for the bigger man are just too great.
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Bruce Lee Sparring
To those who know a bit about martial arts Bruce Lee displays just an amazing level of skill in this fight. After being reminded of just how fast, precise and well-timed Lee was and how his movement alone controlled his opponent I revise my bet to 50-50. Klitschko is like a tumbling bear compared to this speed and agility. You just don't have these kind of techniques in (kick-)boxing. In a street fight Klitschko would probably loose both his eyes before he could throw a single punch.
To those who know a bit about martial arts Bruce Lee displays just an amazing level of skill in this fight. After being reminded of just how fast, precise and well-timed Lee was and how his movement alone controlled his opponent I revise my bet to 50-50. Klitschko is like a tumbling bear compared to this speed and agility. You just don't have these kind of techniques in (kick-)boxing. In a street fight Klitschko would probably loose both his eyes before he could throw a single punch.
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