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Buffy The Vampire Slayer / Angel Official Discussion Thread.
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StalkerUKCG
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GODDAMN Caleb was such an awesome bad guy
TheVampire
Banned
I'll drink to that!
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Andrew and Spike go great togeather
The conversation they have when on that moped is hilarious
User 100115
Banned
That was Spike's stolen demon bike right? The moped was on Angel.
Mr. Luchador
Member
He's Chandler from Friends.
Mr. Luchador
Member
haha well he is. Same jokes and personality.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Yeah, that's not even over-analysis. It's a really apt comparison.
Flatline
Banned
Just watched last episode of season 4 (Restless). One of the smartest allegorical episodes on TV ever. Perfectly captured the characters personalities, fears and insecurities while "predicting" future events and having an amazing atmosphere.
Jesus, I miss Whedon's contribution on TV, wasting all that talent for years just to make a two hour movie isn't worth it.
Jesus, I miss Whedon's contribution on TV, wasting all that talent for years just to make a two hour movie isn't worth it.
Mr. Luchador
Member
I realised it's sort of a rude show. You see Buffy and Spike have sex a lot, and also the magical orgasm thing between Tara and Willow, and Willow and Raks. That was odd.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Spike rape scene. Whedon Stahp pls
The Lamonster
Member
Agreed. Hoping the SHIELD show will be good though.
But I'm still really looking forward to the Much Ado film.
Have been doing a mini-marathon today and just finished 'The Body'. I've heard a lot of praise for the episode and knew the character would die, but it really was more poignant than I expected. The absence of music to allow focus on normality, and the awkward silences and numbness are so accurate for what I remember of that situation. That was fantastic but draining. definitely done for the night after finishing that.
I know the feeling, I went through the same thing
I started to dislike all characters post S5.
ComputerMKII
Banned
I didn't Restless it but it was a fun little trippy episode. I liked it. Nice change of pace from the rest of the show.
Mr. Luchador
Member
Probably 100% the wrong thread to say this in but... I do not miss his contribution to TV at all. Only reason I'm re-watching Buffy is nostalgia and I never actually saw it ALL. So, far I'm still failing to see why Whedon is so well loved.
Characters in Buffy are so first gear, especially considering they've had 7 years of potential development. Also, everything is resolved within 2 episodes (unless you're Buffy then you get a whole season). The only character that truly developed over the 7 years of the show was Spike, all the others pretty much stayed the same.
BaronLundi
Member
This is absolutely true save for Buffy, Giles, Willow, Xander, Anya, Joyce, Wesley, Cordelia, Andrew, Harmony and Faith of course.
Mr. Luchador
Member
Buffy - How did she develop?
Giles - They showed a brief insight into his past as The Ripper, then that was it. He went from being a Libririan that was knocked out a lot, to being a Shop Keeper who got knocked out a lot. Yet, when they needed him to be he'd suddenly be Super Giles slaying monsters left, right & centre. No personal connection with anyone at all, except perhaps Buffy.
Willow - Went from a computer nerd to a witch. Had her heartbroken and became a 'druggy'. All her issues were resolved within 2-3 episodes.
Xander - Comic relief all the way through. Turned into a bit of a jealous idiot. No redeeming features whatsoever. What are his character traits exactly? What did he do over 7 years? He was a building. OK.
Anya - OK, S5-S6 wise she probably has the most actual character development. I'll concede that.
Joyce - Not really. She sort of just floated around and popped up when needed, which is why the actor asked to leave the show as she wasn't really needed at all.
Wesley & Cordelia (& Harmony, I guess) - That's Angel and I never really watched Angel, so I'll come back to that another time.
Andrew - Not sure on this one. Nerd who was evil, Nerd who was good.
Faith - She was always a loner psycho who wanted to be adored. There was no 'pay off' to her story, unless there's something I've missed.
Also, where is the 'other' Slayer? Shouldn't there be at least 3?
Buffy: Yeah, she's pretty much a bitch the whole time
Willow: What do you mean all her issues were solved within 2-3 issues? It took her all of Season 7 to come to terms with her actions in Season 6, which were the result of her growing dependence on magic over the previous three seasons.
Xander: Main thing is going from thinking he was useless to realizing that even though he wasn't a slayer or a witch or anything super natural, he had his own talents.
Joyce: Yeah, she was pretty much the same person, just Buffy's mom. I guess learning about Buffy being the slayer brought some challenges for her character
Andrew: Going from being evil to being good isn't character development?
Faith: I thought her arc on Season 4 of Angel/Season 7 of Buffy was the payoff.
Mr. Luchador
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Oh Faith returns? I don't recall that. I sort of stopped watching around S5 originally.
As for Willow - she was heartbroken over Oz, and was pretty much 'OK' (i.e it was never discussed again) after the 2 episodes that were given time for the story arch. It came back a little later, and again was solved within an episode. She goes cold turkey from magic, and she was fine after 2 episodes, even after the 'relapse' caused by Amy. Fine the next episode.
As for Willow - she was heartbroken over Oz, and was pretty much 'OK' (i.e it was never discussed again) after the 2 episodes that were given time for the story arch. It came back a little later, and again was solved within an episode. She goes cold turkey from magic, and she was fine after 2 episodes, even after the 'relapse' caused by Amy. Fine the next episode.
ComputerMKII
Banned
Wesley also had a lot of development.
Mr. Luchador
Member
I guess that's in Angel, which I haven't seen all of yet.
Oh yes, Wesley has one hell of a time going through the show.
ConradCervantes
Banned
Wesley is far and away the most developed character in the Whedonverse. He's unlivable at times, but it's a believable trait, not something the writers spun to manipulate the audience's feelings.
And yes, Xander is a complete dick. Every girl I've ever dated loves him, and I just don't know why. Andrew also sucks, but that's the writing team trying to make him a paragon for nerdery.
And yes, Xander is a complete dick. Every girl I've ever dated loves him, and I just don't know why. Andrew also sucks, but that's the writing team trying to make him a paragon for nerdery.
ugh, how about spoiler tags ? jesus
I believe he's referring to the fact the actor died.
oh ok, didn't know that.
BaronLundi
Member
There should be no statute of limitations for major spoilers. Not that there was an actual spoiler there.
I got my buffy rewatch going and this time I'm gonna watch all episodes, even the ones that are not that good like I Robot You Jane, Teacher's Pet, Bad Eggs and some others. Most of those "bad" episodes I only watched once, even though I've watched the show like 4 times.
After all they are not that bad actually. I enjoy them for what they are, of course they can't compete with main story arc episodes, episodes like Band Candy, Halloween etc. or truly unique ones like The Body, OMWF, Hush etc.
Most recent episode I watched was Inca Mummy Girl from season 2, again one of the mediocre ones and kind of a let down after School Hard (Spike is my favorite character), but it's enjoyable enough.
After all they are not that bad actually. I enjoy them for what they are, of course they can't compete with main story arc episodes, episodes like Band Candy, Halloween etc. or truly unique ones like The Body, OMWF, Hush etc.
Most recent episode I watched was Inca Mummy Girl from season 2, again one of the mediocre ones and kind of a let down after School Hard (Spike is my favorite character), but it's enjoyable enough.
Mr. Luchador
Member
Just finished Season 6 - overall I thought it was a very terrible season. If it hadn't been for the Buffy/Spike thing it would have been pointless. There was no 'big bad' to fight, just 3 nerds and in the end
Also, the Spike scene with Buffy...
Still would have been happy if Buffy ended Season 3 or Season 5 at this point.
a gun was used... perhaps there was some social commentary I'm not aware of here. How humans are the worst monsters or something stupid. Then Willow going all Evil Witch, but being saved by Xander's love... er, OK.
Also, the Spike scene with Buffy...
I saw rape mentioned somewhere in this thread before, but didn't really pay attention to it. A few episodes later the bathroom scene happened and it was odd. Very odd. Was far too shocking, probably because it happened on Buffy. Just seemed... OK... wtf...
Still would have been happy if Buffy ended Season 3 or Season 5 at this point.
Mr. Luchador
Member
Ergh. Lame.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
I was the one who talked about the rape/bathroom scene. Its so disengaging as a viewer. It a low point in the series because it rips your out of the fantasy and into reality. Spike who for much of the show is the likeable anti hero like a cocky bleach blonde wolverine suddenly turns into this dick of character you want nothing to do with. If you ignore it he continues on being the likeable vamp he normally is.
Mr. Luchador
Member
Yeah, that was exactly the feeling I had. It was just like... well... come on... then he goes on that task to
get his soul back
That whole season was so sex orientated it was just odd. I understand that those who watched Buffy from the start would have been in their teens to early 20s at this point, but it just felt... strange. Even as a 28 year old watching it now, it was like 'Hang on... I watched this as a 17 year old..! No way'.
Season 6 is awesome, especially with Spike and Buffy. There are so many great and fun(nny) episodes in season 6 so I don't mind that there is no
real villain.
Dark Willow
the Trio was funny with all their cool weapons and shit, even though Warren is the biggest asshole ever.
Xander saved Willow and the world, he is the character that knows her best so it was believable. Spike trying to rape Buffy is one of the most upsetting scenes in the whole show and in that moment I really hated his guts, even though he is my favorite character. The fact that he willingly (!) wants to get his soul back to be deserving of Buffy redeems him though. It is magnificent how human Spike was able to be, even though he had no soul. He is the only vampire that can truly love without a soul and the only one that would take all the guilt and remorse that comes with a soul just for love which really says something about his character. I think Buffy and Spike is the best love story ever and one of the very few love storys I care about and appreciate in fiction.
You're doing it wrong. I wish Team Angel could have traded Gunn for someone better, they were so much better than Team Buffy.
Mr. Luchador
Member
OK, so finally watched all of Buffy.
The finale was terrible.
After all the build up of Spike the payoff was poor
I felt very little to nothing for the ending.
The finale was terrible.
After all the build up of Spike the payoff was poor
outside of the him calling out Buffy on being a bit of a bitch when she said 'I love you'.
User 100115
Banned
BaronLundi
Member
Mr. Luchador
Member
Not even for Anya ?(
Not at all, but I think that's because no one cared for her. Not even Xander. In typical throwaway Buffy Style, it was dismissed with a quip.
So sad. Make sure to make regular appointments with your dentist people.
Been making my way through Buffy. I'm up to S4 and so far it's clearly the weakest. That said, it seems to be really picking up. The first half with mopey Buffy was just bad but the last few episodes have been very funny (Something Blue) and just plain great (Hush).
In general it's a really great series. Hadn't expected it to be so enjoyable.
In general it's a really great series. Hadn't expected it to be so enjoyable.
TheVampire
Banned
Yeah that episode Something Blue was really funny.
Spike and Buffy wanting to get married and kissing all the time was hilarious
User 100115
Banned
Up to S6 now. So far it's been awful. I thought mopey Buffy was bad in S4, but this is another level. Thank goodness for Once More With Feeling to perk things up a little. Buffy, Dawn, Terra, Willow, those three nerds...all are or have always been dull. Even Spike is starting to be boring. Hopefully it will improve; they normally do.
Yea it's not good at all after S5. S7 only gets worse.
Mr. Luchador
Member
Nearing the end of S1 of Angel. It's a bit slow, but I get the impression it's a season of setting up.
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