being in VF5 did. everyone was beefcake in VF4.
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Leafhopper
Banned
Clowns aren't even funny though so your argument breaks down there.
ShinMaruku
Member
Let's talk about games doing it right
AND She's a scientist of colour. Yes Lisa baby you get me excited!
DOA has done ok in my book. They make Zack a buffoon who get's all da ladies.
Too a certain point Lisa got no ass
AND She's a scientist of colour. Yes Lisa baby you get me excited!
DOA has done ok in my book. They make Zack a buffoon who get's all da ladies.
PhoenixFyre
Member
Yeah, my bad. I just didn't want to be misleading.
In cases like this, I like the quote "Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence." Or in some cases, unwavering stubbornness about maintaining a certain aesthetic.
A lot of things have to come together to make a character, and then to make that character properly interact with their world. I've not run into a single decision that was cut and dry. It's a lot of testing certain aspects, finding out something doesn't blend right, or certain colors clash with certain parts of the world and have a strange almost optical illusion effect, and having to go back and tweak.
Dark colors and red have given me the biggest headaches. I've come to hate the color red.
Every time I'm given the option to create a character I make a black female just because I know I won't run into many others, therefore making me unique. I like being unique.
Too many games force me to be white male. In GTA V online I must have run into thousands of other players before I finally saw another black female avatar. I can still count the number I've run into on one hand after nearly a year.
Too many games force me to be white male. In GTA V online I must have run into thousands of other players before I finally saw another black female avatar. I can still count the number I've run into on one hand after nearly a year.
This thread is about lightening characters that were originally darker skin. Come correct
papercan55
Member
i would have taken anything to keep resident evil 5 playing out like the first few trailers.
I think it was adam sessler that went on a huge racism row at e3 after seeing the trailers, most gaming forums were debating it as well.
The gaming community did an already troubled capcom no favours. Chris was in africa, i repeat africa, of course the enemies will be mostly dark skinned.
BipolarBear629
Member
Honestly, this is an issue that goes beyond gaming.
Read the thread and rethink that comment, sport
Arc Christelle
Member
As a black character artist, illustrating Negroes is quite the interesting challenge. Especially Negro females, because there's the challenge in making the beauty standout amongst the dark brown, gold, and bronze, and even in some cases black. You really have to be able to understand the beauty and appeal of black women to bring that emphasis out.
On a side note. Chocolate Mai is OP.
Man if I could get a color edit in DOA5 Imagine chocolate Nyo Tengu......
-drools-
On a side note. Chocolate Mai is OP.
Man if I could get a color edit in DOA5 Imagine chocolate Nyo Tengu......
-drools-
Allez Phill
Banned
This is one problem I have with games. The character selection process in games is fucked up when it comes to skin tone. Most games either have corndog brown or Saharan limbo dark. With that, they also exaggerate facial features on these games, like Dark Souls for example.
AND She's a scientist of colour. Yes Lisa baby you get me excited!Let's talk about games doing it right
That colour being 10% Puerto Rican at best though....
Fair point, but why would it dissappear when she turned into Princess Zelda, I just thought it was a silly way to throw off suspecting her true identity at the time.
Sanctuary
Member
Clear as day. Now lightened.
She isn't just lightened, she changed races as well.
Leafhopper
Banned
MHWilliams
Member
Well yeah. that doesn't prevent us from talking about its effect on gaming... on a gaming message board.
TheTurboFD
Member
Does keeping her dark improve the game? In the end it's all up to the artists and how they want it. I doubt it has anything to do with being "TOO BLACK". I can already where this thread is heading.
Apparently we're missing the point for discussing the gaming aspects of this larger issue.
Prime crotch
Banned
VF was weird, even Jeffrey got a bit paler on the graphics transition to a newer gen, but Vanessa, oh man, I also think she got less ripped
What effect does it have exactly?
In the case of VF players who mained Vanessa, it caused many to alienate her.
To give off the "princess" image? She's not a black person going white, it's just a girl losing her tan to show that she's a princess that stays in her palace, instead of sailing around getting sun tanned.
TheSadRanger
Banned
Cole from Gears of War is another example that's always kind of irked me.
Dude went from this
To this
Dude went from this
To this
This is just naive.
Shmuely Bully
Member
Isn't Jade supposed to be the sister of Kitana? She's also in a franchise that has an extremely strong Asian atmosphere to it. I have a tough time getting upset about that one, the other examples are a lot better IMO (especially Vanessa, chick got Loreal Beyonce-fied).
Clear as day. Now lightened.
I thought she was supposed to be Persian, Middle Eastern, or Asian in the storyline.
Sword Familiar
178% of NeoGAF posters don't understand statistics
Maybe she was bed-ridden for months on end? (Just a suggestion, not a fact)
How about her hair, is that naturally white?
...We don't talk about that game D:
Or the infinitely more likely solution of her being whitewashed hardcore; I doubt Vanessa has time to do spray tanning while punching people in the gut over and over again
And thus her tan went away. She obviously got the tan before she started punching away.
ShinMaruku
Member
As a black character artist, illustrating Negroes is quite the interesting challenge. Especially Negro females, because there's the challenge in making the beauty standout amongst the dark brown, gold, and bronze, and even in some cases black. You really have to be able to understand the beauty and appeal of black women to bring that emphasis out.
On a side note. Chocolate Mai is OP.
Man if I could get a color edit in DOA5 Imagine chocolate Nyo Tengu......
-drools-
Blackanese Mai is OP as hell!
Chocolate Nyo Tengu would be going too far. Since she is mrs Kstoute.
TheTurboFD
Member
Naive? People are forgetting it's concept art which can drastically change. So what if she's a bit light skinned does it really affect anything?
Bwahaha that reminds me of this, to a lesser degree.
Thankfully, texture modder Hypatia has fixed this with her Wind Waker HD textue mod pack.
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MHWilliams
Member
Well, seeing as the thread was about minority characters with darker skin in the concept art or original incarnation later having lighter skin... I'd say that.
Was that a factitious question?
If it didn't effect something or someone, it wouldn't have been changed.
TC McQueen
Member
I've seen black people in real life with this skin tone.
There are examples of characters being changed from game to game.....
TheBlackMarvel
Member
Yes, otherwise they wouldn't have changed it.
OsirisBlack
Banned
She is actually supposed to represent Kenya but does a Brazilian martial art called capoeira. It almost feels like midway through her design Capcom realized they flubbed region and martial art mash up so they decided to make her look a bit like both cultures. Could be way off but thats how she looks to me. Like a brazilian/kenyan mashup.
All of these examples of women are pretty bad but lets not pretend that black men are not horribly misrepresented in gaming. Most African American male characters are grossly stereotypical to the point of being borderline comedic.
That doesn't look "tan" to me at all. Her in-game model for whatever reason is certainly lighter than her concept art, but she's still definitely black.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Clear as day. Now lightened.
I never took her as a black woman.
Elena (SFIV) and Vanessa (VFIV) character designs are kind of gross. I thought SF3 Elena was much better because it made her resemble an actual human being instead of some alien life form.
Vanessa in VF5 is kind of an anomaly. Those eye brows. God. I definitely think there could of been some better middle ground, but it didn't work out too well.
Vanessa in VF5 is kind of an anomaly. Those eye brows. God. I definitely think there could of been some better middle ground, but it didn't work out too well.
Banana Aeon
Member
...What? That's a legit skin tone. Half of my family has that exact skin tone, some even lighter than that.
Cole from Gears of War is another example that's always kind of irked me.
Dude went from this
To this
Yeah that one is fucking stupid
I love this.
What really bothers me is the complete lack of skin tones and hair options for black characters in games that you can create a character. Especially hair. Your only options are typically: bald, very short fuzz hair, short hair, mini afro, afro, corn rows, and dreads if you are lucky. Why not different fade options? Why no flat top? Shouldn't it be a lot easier to model these than flowing hair?
Leafhopper
Banned
Who the hell is that? I haven't played passed Gears 2, when did that happen?To this
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Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
Again, there's nothing wrong with light skinned folks, it's when people purposefully lighten people to make them more acceptable that is the issue.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
My mother is lighter than that, and we're African American. -_- I'm more offended by the notion that lighter skin tones aren't possible and are just tan..Nah dude, even with the filters disabled on PC Sheva looks incredibly just "tan"
It happened in Gears Judgment.
That is from the prequel Gears: Judgement game where Cole is younger and therefore looks like a completely different person.
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