Arc Christelle
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I think I'm probably the only one who thinks the breasts in DOA aren't all that huge.... especially compared to Soul Calibur.
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I think I'm probably the only one who thinks the breasts in DOA aren't all that huge.... especially compared to Soul Calibur.
I should clarify, I mean in comparison to the concept art.
Sheva looks pretty much exactly like the actress she's based on, so I don't think her facial features got white washed.
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I joked about that on the last page but I do think it holds a bit of weight. I'm offended by how poorly peoples TVs tend to be calibrated. A shit LCD with no calibration will absolutely destroy any detail when dealing with darker colors. I can imagine that, to some degree, character looks could be influenced by looking at what type of display is being used.Obviously bleaching characters is stupid and ridiculous, but looking at these images
made me think that maybe one possible reason for black skins not being too dark is because details tend to be a lot less evident and the face look more plain, now think in dark games like most of the AAA games.
You can't make horror games in the mold of Silent Hill anymore for this reason (heavy use of darkness is destroyed by poor black levels in modern TVs).
Not saying it's a legit reason politically but technically it might matter a bit. That's why the VF example is funny to me as VF4 was designed for displays with good black levels why VF5 was not.
I'm sure she wasn't the first, but she's definitely someone popular in modern times that's done it. Same with Nicki Minaj.
Crossing Eden
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I'm purely talking about RE5. I'm never played whatever game Vanessa is in, I did notice that she follows the trend of black character has extremely light hair/white though.
Alyx was biracial and her dad was dark-skinned. He also wore that Harvard sweater like he was a video game version of a cooler Bill Cosby.
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Sheva looks pretty much exactly like the actress she's based on, so I don't think her facial features got white washed.
"Straighten that hair, make the bridge of the nose a little smaller..."
I dunno I think they did
I know what you mean. Every time I see this with characters in games, I wonder if it's supposed to be a reference to ganguros.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganguro
You see it a lot in anime.
IdreamofHIME
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Capcom shit 6 bricks after N'Gai called their portrayal of Africans in RE5 (based on a trailer) racist and they stripped back everything to to appease his disgusting poisonous mouth. Sheva was a victim of this as she was whitened, she'd actually not even been shown at this point which makes it even more bizarre.
But i'm not blaming Capcom, I blame that self publicizing asshole for it all.
But i'm not blaming Capcom, I blame that self publicizing asshole for it all.
SquiddyCracker
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Anita Sarkeesian is about as rational as you can get.
Leafhopper
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Really? She always seemed black to me and she loves Japanese stuff. (I forget if one of her parents was Japanese or not)
Crossing Eden
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They're both ridiculous and are awful examples of how to model large breasts in video games.
But here's the thing, concept art is just that, concept. Tons of things can change during development especially when it comes to modeling. Choosing an actress to base a character model that will be seen at all times by the player takes alot of work and thought.
Shmuely Bully
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Sheva looks pretty much exactly like the actress she's based on, so I don't think her facial features got white washed.
Looks like they changed her nose to me, might just be the angle though.
The hair straightening at least is something you can explain away as being easier to render (and also something a ton of black women do, although probably not in Africa..).
Freeman
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Is this just done unconscious or are devs just cynical and believe this will sell more for some reason.
I got nothing against multiracial characters (since I'm one myself) but if its done just not to make a caracther TOO black its just stupid.
Hard to see a reason for a character to have it's skin tone lightened with time outside of a MJ game.
EA sucks at this, playing NFL if you are a owner you can either chose black or white, and when creating a player your skin tone is associated with a preset face and hair (they are probably just trying to push their face scan service).
I got nothing against multiracial characters (since I'm one myself) but if its done just not to make a caracther TOO black its just stupid.
Hard to see a reason for a character to have it's skin tone lightened with time outside of a MJ game.
EA sucks at this, playing NFL if you are a owner you can either chose black or white, and when creating a player your skin tone is associated with a preset face and hair (they are probably just trying to push their face scan service).
Her hair is probably the type of hair tech they don't have.
I don't like the "Sheva isn't ethnic enough" argument. As someone pointed out, she looks similar to her voice actress, and she's so clearly not a white character, which is what they could have gone with if they had no imagination whatsoever. I think she looks terrific; I've always loved her design. Of the problems RE5 has, which exist, Sheva's design is the last of my worries.
I agree though with your general sentiment that characters in games should be more diverse. That's pretty obvious.
I agree though with your general sentiment that characters in games should be more diverse. That's pretty obvious.
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Marketing is huge business. Not a single thing is unconsciously done.
"We could spend more money working on how to make this hair work, or we could just keep people like that out of our games and save money."
Wikipedia says 6.84% to 7.6% Black
Multiracial is officially a different category. As it should be, because that's the definition of multi-race... otherwise whites, ameri-indians, asians, could all claim to be part of the percentages too
Freeman
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Good luck modeling that hair, specially on last gen.
The only legit reason I can think of is, again, the types of displays being used by people. An overly dark character won't work well on a poorly calibrated LCD display. Fact. That might also explain why concept art changes as, once a character is implemented, their color might be altered to work best on a wide variety of displays.
Another good point. This stuff isn't trivial.
There's a reason why "bald marines" were so popular.
MHWilliams
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Sheva looks pretty much exactly like the actress she's based on, so I don't think her facial features got white washed.
Karen Dyer doesn't really look like that. Really odd picture. Anyways, you can judge for yourself.
She's not that far off in most of the pictures.
Ultimadrago
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This is great.
SmokedMeat
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Vanessa is by far the worst. It looks like they tried to give her more of an Asian appearance with not only the skin tone, but the eyes. Perhaps Japanese players disliked her look?
I recall reading years ago that Crash Bandicoot's eyes were changed for the Japanese release, because they looked too Western.
Shiva I think looks fine.
I recall reading years ago that Crash Bandicoot's eyes were changed for the Japanese release, because they looked too Western.
Shiva I think looks fine.
Clear as day. Now lightened.
To be fair, in game:
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I always saw Edenians as being based on South Americans in physical appearance, hence the range of skin tones. (And for those of you about to comment, yes there are black people in South America. A lot of them).
BBQMan
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This whole thread is misleading.
1. RE 5 wasnt changed. She was based on an Actress and yes the shitty filter makes everything lighter there are plenty of examples in this thread
2. Now this one IMO has a reason behind it. Now I may get in a bit of trouble for this but I never thought she was black I always thought she did those body building tan things
EXAMPLE Warning Bikini Woman
http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01386/SNF05NIC1_682_1386421a.jpg
3. She isnt that white in game at all :s that last image is misleading.
Actual ingame shot
Crossing Eden
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Her skin tone and actual face was based off of the actress, not every little detail like hair. It's not as drastic a change from the concept art like say
And apparently the actor's hair looks straight. ._.
Sheva looks pretty much exactly like the actress she's based on, so I don't think her facial features got white washed.
Her nose looks like got a reshape, also her hair was straightened.
SerTapTap
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Zombies, not especially, some early ones are very dark, most of the rest are very pale (a sort of blueish skin tone due to the infection). Less sure about the NPCs but there aren't very many.
Michelle Van der Water doesn't always have curly hair
The nose looks also pretty similar to me, kind of hard to tell exactly.
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I'm legit shook so many people are thinking Vanessa was tanning. I just...I don't
OsirisBlack
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Her skin tone and actual face was based off of the actress, not every little detail like hair. It's not as drastic a change from the concept art like say
And apparently the actor's hair looks straight. ._.
I was just looking for this picture to post. I thought it was very odd that Delsin went from looking very native american to .... not.
Arc Christelle
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I don't think so. Sometimes she makes decent arguments and even have some things you can learn about that you may not have noticed, but for each of those times it feels like she's grasping for straws. I don't have anything against her, but from watching her past vids, I believe there are some things she could improve on.
I'd rather have someone who can conduct a strong and solid argument that covers all angles to represent myself and my people.
By that I mean they have to be multidimensional and willing to challenge everything including themselves.
You try rendering that hair well on a PS3 or 360 and see how far you can get.
Karen Dyer did the motion capture and the voice acting. The model was based on Michelle Van Der WaterKaren Dyer doesn't really look like that. Really odd picture. Anyways, you can judge for yourself.
She's not that far off in most of the pictures.
Crossing Eden
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She's modeled after a different model and voiced/motion captured by another actress.
SmokedMeat
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Michelle Van der Water doesn't always have curly hair
The nose looks also pretty similar to me, kind of hard to tell exactly.
Shiva doesn't look white to me at all. I think they did a nice job with her.
This is a big problem, not just with games, but media representation, and life in general. The only way for a black woman to be considered attractive is well to look more like a white woman. I want people to see how women like Lupita for example are just as beautiful. Loved Sheva in RE5, wish she did'nt change as much from concept to final, but she does look like her actress.
On another note, it still annoys me that people think Clementine (TWD) isn't black.
More of this please
On another note, it still annoys me that people think Clementine (TWD) isn't black.
More of this please
A lot of native brazilians are of West African descent. The stat you posted specifically accounts for people indentifying as Afro-brazilians if I'm not mistaken.
CrimsonCrescendo
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Which game is Shinobu from?
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The reason that cole mcgrath is bald is because it's easier to render that, I don't think that even the ps4 at launch would handle that hair if it was decently simulated in an open world game. Also Delsin at some point was modeled after Troy Baker, characters go through tons of iterations before a final look is chosen.
In hindsight, the only character who has animated hair is Fetch. Tradeoffs. Infamous in general is a series that has had tons of early concept art that looks drastically different from the final in-game renders.
Arc Christelle
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No More Heroes - Grasshopper Manufacture/Suda51
Cyber Caesar
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Birdie went from white to black. He's a bad guy with a minimal story unfortunately.
No More Heroes series. That outfit is from the second game.
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No More Heroes series.
Not to make this an echo chamber, but I've gotten too many comments on how she must have some white in her family because of her skin tone.
That whole discussion is jarring to me because, after seeing a picture of her parents
and we'll leave the spoilers to that
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