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I'm not sure I fully agree with that. People who look 'exotic' are considered the most attractive generally, simply because they are unusual and stand out. Also see: redheads.
There's some of that, sure, especially in fairly homogenous populations, such as the densely-populated Asian cities where getting noticed means going further than your potential rivals, but there's a lot of this that ends up being ingrained in the young. I grew up full well knowing that my lack of complete whiteness made me neither Asian nor white to varying people in my schools, neighborhoods, and, worst of all, my own family. I know plenty of my nieces and nephews as well as other friends and family who have immigrated here and many if not all of the younger ones think very little of people who don't look white or, more depressingly, like them. It's not just my own experience with this, but also friends who are black and natives and hispanics who also have similar experiences. It's frankly sad, but I know how those kids feel since I was made to feel that way and think that way for much of my own childhood. It never even needs to be said directly, either, as the sheer force and total dominance of it in media sends the message all of the time.
 
So making a change changed nothing in your book? If so, why make the change?

Because maybe the artist had a different vision of the character? Artists are allowed to have different variations of what they want. Do you know why they made the change? Because from the replies in this thread everyone seems to be pushing something that's not there.
 
and yeah, gay people, women who look boyish and unfunny clowns are also welcome in games, i dont mind. i just dont want another dudebro shooter ovah 9000-game.
Yes, please.

It's worth noting that "gay people" doesn't entail actually making a character about gay people. A character can simply be... gay, without it affecting much in the way of the story or how they interact with others (outside of sexual or romantic situations, obviously). Race can be similar in this regard. In fact, it may be better for race to be treated this way, because giving it special importance raises the question of why. If the game isn't explicitly about race, they can just be black, or hispanic, or southeast Asian, or what-have-you, simply as an accident of birth (you know... like IRL).

Actual gender expression is a bit different, however. If a guy is acting in an acutely feminine fashion, people are going to react to that, and likewise with a woman who is very noticeably boyish (or even just highly androgynous). Regardless, I'd love to see more characters who lie outside of gender norms. There's a lot of potential there.
 
Here's the Clementine thread. Looks like I was wrong it was twenty pages not eight.
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=762809

Black female protagonists in videogames thread.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=605131

Genuinely curious, on the last quote is he wrong? I've never met anyone who is black with naturally blonde hair either and I know you have the Berbers for instance who are frequently blonde and are African, but who typically aren't considered black.

There's some of that, sure, especially in fairly homogenous populations, such as the densely-populated Asian cities where getting noticed means going further than your potential rivals, but there's a lot of this that ends up being ingrained in the young. I grew up full well knowing that my lack of complete whiteness made me neither Asian nor white to varying people in my schools, neighborhoods, and, worst of all, my own family. I know plenty of my nieces and nephews as well as other friends and family who have immigrated here and many if not all of the younger ones think very little of people who don't look white or, more depressingly, like them. It's not just my own experience with this, but also friends who are black and natives and hispanics who also have similar experiences. It's frankly sad, but I know how those kids feel since I was made to feel that way and think that way for much of my own childhood. It never even needs to be said directly, either, as the sheer force and total dominance of it in media sends the message all of the time.

Thanks for this. That I can understand a little, although for different reasons. It's difficult to feel like you don't belong and people can do that without saying anything.
 
RE5 was at release the best looking console game. :/

Honestly, the game just looks waaaaay better without the filter overall.

There are two sections (the savanna turret sequence and the lab) where I think it does add a really pleasant effect, but overall it's better off gone.

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Even by todays standards, there are times where it looks legitimately great.

(This is with filter)

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oh man, it makes me so sad to even have this fucked up discussion. discussing if a character or person is considered black or not, or to deny if there is even a black character. even worse is that one person to simply say that delicate is only a term meant for people with pale skin.
 
What's wrong with considering light skinned black women more attractive? I think pale skin looks better on women of any race, it's more delicate and feminine.

You're saying that people with dark skin are less feminine because they have dark skin. Are they then more masculine? Are you calling dark skinned women man-like? What about light-skinned men? Is that more feminine? Why is skin color wrapped up in issues of gender identity?
 
Has this happened with a male character? Probably not, given the cultural beliefs/history regarding female skin tones..
 
You know, it's also entirely possible that decisions about changing a skin tone are made just because a developer thinks -being right or wrong- that it fits the lighting or the background more, not necessarily as a form of racial discrimination.

Anecdotal episode:
I'm not black, yet when I'm given the option I create most of my characters as black anyway, since for a matter of subjective taste I typically find them more aesthetically pleasing.
Still, sometime I have to fiddle with different skin tones to find the one that works the best with the specific game I'm playing.
 
Honestly, the game just looks waaaaay better without the filter overall.

There are two sections (the savanna turret sequence and the lab) where I think it does add a really pleasant effect, but overall it's better off gone.



Even by todays standards, there are times where it looks legitimately great.

(This is with filter)

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This makes me wish I got to play the modded pc version. Somehow they modded the console version too. Fun times.
 
That's completely understandable.

But what I find laughable are those GAFers who judge others for preferring the *physical look* of certain races. There's nothing wrong with that whatsoever, humans are going to be physically attracted to different people. That's not racist.

I mean shit, some black guys prefer the look of white women. What's wrong with that?

I think its going deeper than I want to go into attraction, but there is racism involved in the idea and prevalence of darker skinned women not being considered attractive. There is way too much of that for me to think racism or at least media/ made up standards of beauty did'nt play a part in that.
 
I've heard a lot of people say that Asian girls look more "delicate" to them. I don't think there's anything wrong if a person thinks that.

Asians and pacific islanders come in a variety of skintones. I mean
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Chances are high this little girl will face issues about being "too dark" by many. Mental decathlons will be had trying to rationalize it, because she's Asian...but she's pretty brown.

I personally don't see what would make her less "delicate" than her lighter neighbors.
 
I think it's just some cultural thing where women with lighter/fair skin are more "pure/innocent/desirable". I dont agree with that, but many people do, unfortunately.. especially Asian cultures.

asia is even more fucked up in that regard.
have you heard of facekinis?
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they go this hardcore to protect themselves to never ever get dark skin.

i can tell you hundreds of stories :(
 
That's completely understandable.

But what I find laughable are those GAFers who judge others for preferring the *physical look* of certain races. There's nothing wrong with that whatsoever, humans are going to be physically attracted to different people. That's not racist.

I mean shit, some black guys prefer the look of white women. What's wrong with that?

Having race based prejudices is racist. Intentional or not, it's conditioning and you should at least acknowledge it.

And more over, how does skin tone have any fucking relation to delicacy and femininity? You're embarrassing yourself with this garbage.
 
As a Tekken player I remember being particularly jealous of Virtua Fighter players because they had such a perfect looking character in their game (VF4), a toned beautiful black female that looked like a serious fighter. Then V5 happened and ruined her look completely for me.

I'm still waiting for a black female fighter to be added to Tekken's character roster. Hard to believe that there still hasn't been one in any of the 6 numbered titles (8 if you include Dark Resurrection and Bloddline Rebellion, both of which added new characters).
 
As a Tekken player I remember being particularly jealous of Virtua Fighter players because they had such a perfect looking character in their game (VF4), a toned beautiful black female that looked like a serious fighter. Then V5 happened and ruined her look completely for me.

I'm still waiting for a black female fighter to be added to Tekken's character roster. Hard to believe that there still hasn't been one in any of the 6 numbered titles (8 if you include Dark Resurrection and Bloddline Rebellion, both of which added new characters).

Isn't Christie black? She's Brazilian but there's black Brazilians.
 
Can't be having black people in games like that, soaking up all the fancy lighting. Can't even see them in caves damn
 
The Lee being white thing was just Chinner being Chinner, wasn't it? I don't recall anyone else saying it.

While lighting differences can change looks quite a bit, it's pretty certain that Sega lightened up Vanessa quite a bit.
 
I personally hate it when I can't make my character Black in games. I'm glad MonHun allows it. How can devs overlook something like that? (Rhetorical question)
 
Asians and pacific islanders come in a variety of skintones. I mean

Chances are high this little girl will face issues about being "too dark" by many. Mental decathlons will be had trying to rationalize it, because she's Asian...but she's pretty brown.

I personally don't see what would make her less "delicate" than her lighter neighbors.

This is true.

However the original post I was replying to mentioned "fair" and "pale" people. So I meant the stereotypical pale Asian girl. Like the pale Chinese, Japanese, Korean.

Typically the Southeast asian countries have much darker people. (obviously there are exceptions to every generalization)
 
Completely disagree, if we're talking strictly physical attraction.

Or maybe we have different definition of the word racist. Either way, I can tell our viewpoints are not going to jive

This is a very complicated issue, the worse you could do is dismiss it without consideration. I think all people no matter the race are guilty of cultural bias. We have a very poor understanding of the world culture. It took me twenty years to even begin to understand it and my understanding is still evolving. Please see video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYB0VW5x8fI
 
Having race based prejudices is racist. Intentional or not, it's conditioning and you should at least acknowledge it.

And more over, how does skin tone have any fucking relation to delicacy and femininity? You're embarrassing yourself with this garbage.

I was not the poster who made the delicate and feminine statement. So you might want to fucking check who you're responding to.
 
Can't be having black people in games like that, soaking up all the fancy lighting. Can't even see them in caves damn
Yea it's a good thing that there are multiple skin tones and that not every character has a light skin tone.
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The single most DISAPPOINTING thing about DMC4. I was so mad she wasn't real.
Was more offended by how they redesigned Lady after her amazing DMC3 debut.
 
This is a very complicated issue, the worse you could do is dismiss it without consideration. I think all people no matter the race are guilty of cultural bias. We have a very poor understanding of the world culture. It took me twenty years to even begin to understand it and my understanding is still evolving. Please see video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYB0VW5x8fI

"Cultural" bias -- I completely agree with you. I believe that's very true and natural for most people.

However "cultural" is not the same thing as "racist"
 
sheva was only introduced after capcom showed of an amazing looking resident evil 5 which had chris fighting off against an army of africans, the gaming press went wild with racism accusations so they introduced sheva and made the game co op to balance out the problems.
once the racism storm had died down they slowly made sheva less dark skinned but kept her as a cop op partner, resident evil 5 was ruined.

Jesus Christ. Do people really still believe this? Like, do you have even the slightest idea how much work goes into adding in co-op? It's not just modeling and rigging Shiva; the entire game revolves around being co-op. The level design, control scheme, story, online modes, combat, everything is designed specifically for co-op. The idea that Capcom just dropped in co-op within a few months in to appease a few western bloggers who took issue is flat out ridiculous and the most ignorant display of armchair game design since the Skullgirls Indigogo thread of shame.
 
That is from the prequel Gears: Judgement game where Cole is younger and therefore looks like a completely different person.

Facial features are close, but they messed up on the tone of his skin. Different developers at the helm I guess. I don't think that was deliberate like Vanessa.
 
Jesus Christ. Do people really still believe this? Like, do you have even the slightest idea how much work goes into adding in co-op? It's not just modeling and rigging Shiva; the entire game revolves around being co-op. The level design, control scheme, story, online modes, combat, everything is designed specifically for co-op. The idea that Capcom just dropped in co-op within a few months in to appease a few western bloggers who took issue is flat out ridiculous and the most ignorant display of armchair game design since the Skullgirls Indigogo thread of shame.
This. It's quite ridiculous. I seriously wish gamers knew how much work went into game design. Like actual work.
 
Sheva looks pretty much exactly like the actress she's based on, so I don't think her facial features got white washed.

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So? Look at her concept art, she doest have the same features at all.

When it comes to choosing a real life counterpart, they obviously chose somebody who had more "caucasian friendly" features.

Like, Lupita would have been a much more interesting choice, I think (granted, not 5 years ago, just saying if it was made today)

 
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Bella Goth is another whose skin tone has lightened.

I personally hate it when I can't make my character Black in games. I'm glad MonHun allows it. How can devs overlook something like that? (Rhetorical question)

Or give you the option to change the skin tone but keep your family white.

"Cultural" bias -- I completely agree with you. I believe that's very true and natural for most people.

However "cultural" is not the same thing as "racist"

If your culture has a racist bias towards a certain race then, yes, it is racist.
 
If your culture has a racist bias towards a certain race then, yes, it is racist.

Which specific culture is that?

See Cyber Cesar's post above -- "I think all people no matter the race are guilty of cultural bias."

You don't think that's true?
 
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