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Buying a new TV for next gen - HDMI 2.1?
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dotnotbot
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Infinitely better. LG NanoCell are IPS TVs with abysmall, low contrast, bleeding and blooming. If you want LCD, choose at least something on VA (with wide-viewing angle filter if viewing angles are important to you).
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Jigga117
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The best advice is to take time one day to spend time with the TVs at stores that will let you in. Otherwise YouTube with plenty of reviews and explanations. Just steer from wanting to simply bitch about any tv that isn't their display. If you end up with something like QLED, OLED or LED as long as you take time for the plus and minus you should be satisfied. There is no perfect tv......but my OLED comes fucking close though IMO
Makoto-Yuki
Banned
Oled for me is not even worth considering because of burn in. Not replacing my TV after 2-3 years.
RayHell
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It doesn't really occur anymore. I have mine for 5 years and it's still flawless.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
You don't deserve an OLED if you believe this bullshit. Vary the content and burn in isn't likely to happen.
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Deleted member 471617
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I'm all in with the LG CX 55" OLED to replace my Sony X800D 43" which is at best a mid-tier set. Will most likely buy it at the end of the summer or sometime in September. Already hyped for it and next gen!!!
HerjansEagleFeeder
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I'm currently waiting for prices to come down and other manufacturers releasing their HDMI 2.1 OLED products. I'm surprised how slow this feels.
Investor9872
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I've had my C7 for 3 years now, and no image retentions, let alone burn-ins. Lol.
Ulysses 31
Member
That doesn't mean much if you don't go into detail about your TV use case. There's plenty of examples of C8s with burn-in to be found.
ZywyPL
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So if you don't vary the content the issue might appear and you are set 3000$ behind, thanks but no thanks.
The Mini LED from TCL looks like a VERY promising competition for OLED, next year's models should be able to even surpass then in many aspects.
But as of today my eyes are on LG GX, it has four HDMI2.1 ports, with all possible gaming-oriented HDMI2.1 features, plus G-Sync and Freesync support on top of it, it's like the ultimate UHD TV for someone who plans to hook all 3 platforms to a big screen.
Chittagong
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I am planning on getting a Samsung 85" Q950T, but it's super hard to find out whether it supports HDMI 2.1 or 120FPS.
Also, there doesn't seem to be an AV receiver that would have 2.1 and have XLR outs for speakers.
Reminds me of getting my first 1080P Sony in 2006.
Also, there doesn't seem to be an AV receiver that would have 2.1 and have XLR outs for speakers.
Reminds me of getting my first 1080P Sony in 2006.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Varying the content isn't hard at all. It basically means treat the TV like a TV. Play games, watch Netflix/youtube/movies etc. An OLED excels at all of those things.
There is no babysitting involved. There are plenty of games with static HUD elements where I have put in over 40+ hours and not a hint of burn-in involved. Now if you're someone who would buy an OLED exclusively to play games and even worse one type of game, then an OLED is not for you. Buy a high refresh rate monitor for that.
And there are millions of people, as the sales prove, and more manufacturers continue to get on board that it's largely a non-issue.
enigmatic enthusiast
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Someone at Sony needs to explain the logic behind the lack of hdmi 2.1 in the x950h. I would love to hear that decesion be rationalized
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
The Samsung Q950T does support HDMI 2.1, but there is only ONE port, the rest are HDMI 2.0b.
At the moment there isn't an 2.1 receiver, but my understanding is that Yamaha should have some out soon.
Venuspower
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Denon announced their new linup yesterday. In Europe they will start shipping in July.
In the US they will start shipping in June.
Unfortunately they only have one HDMI 2.1 40 GBit/s input.
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Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
fuck yes
saintjules
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If the face stayed still 12 hours a day for a year, sure lol.
ThaMonkeyClaw
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Before I had knew of the specs that was the one I had planned to get later this year and then I hear there was no HDMI 2.1, on their flagship LCD TV...makes ZERO sense...now I am just waiting on the reviews to happen at rtings.com for the LG 86NANO90UNA, hopefully they turn out good otherwise I will be waiting until next year. I considered OLED, but the watch I watch TV and the games I play I worry that I will end up with some type of burn-in which I would be pissed at myself if I spent that kind of money to have that happen.
enigmatic enthusiast
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from what ive read in passing burn-in isn't a real issue in the latest OLEDs unless you leave a static screen for extended periods as they all use some type of tech to cleanse the diodes when the tvs are off.
ThaMonkeyClaw
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The problem is my daughter tends to pause games and then forgots to come back to it so there are times it will sit on a static image for hours without my knowing, so that was my main worry. My plan was to get the LG 86NANO90 this year and then 5-6 years down the line upgrade to a MicroLED TV, which hopefully they will be out AND hopefully affordable by then.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
It appears the setup I have was the best one.
My C9 has 4 HDMI 2.1 ports, but my receiver is only HDMI 2.0, but it does support eARC. So I have my PS4, X1X and PC directly going into the TV and the 4th (3rd on TV) port being used for my receiver which has my 4K player and Firestick.
My PS4 and X1X will be eventually be replaced with PS5 and XSX.
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ScaryBrandon
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Burn in is 100% an issue otherwise TV companies that sell OLEDs and retailers would cover it in their warranty but they would go bankrupt from all the panels they would have to replace. From a survey I followed in a TV enthustiast forum you can expect burn in around the 2 year mark if you're using your TV extensively. You can delay the inevitable if you babysit your OLED by watching only movies with no logos or subtitles. However, the organic material will eventualy degrade no matter what,
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
This is pure bullshit. If it's such an issue, why do OLED sales continue to go up and more companies get on board? They have access to the real data and money talks far more than FUD.
enigmatic enthusiast
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well there you go, 2 years of babysitting a TV isn't happening over here...ever.
My thing about MicroLED is how many people really need a 75" TV in their house? But damn, the march of technology stops for no one. I guess when I can have a MicroLED 75" for around a $1000 my mind will begin to resolve this lack of necessity.
Venuspower
Member
LG actually covers burn-in in a lot of cases:
2019 C9–E9 Owner's Thread (No Price Talk)
www.avsforum.com
A german representative of LG also confirmed that they are covering burn-in in most cases.
Even though their warranty information says someting different. But they will review each case. And
if your TV always had the chance to run the pixel refresher etc. they will cover burn-in.
So yea. Just make sure that the TV can do at least one refresh cycle within 4 - 8 hours.
A lot of people even got their panel replaced for free even when they were out of warranty.
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Dude, there isn't any FUCKING babysitting whatsoever.
Treat the TV like a normal TV. That means, play games, watch movies, play different games. That is really all there is. Yes, you will get the occasional burn in story, but you will get 100s more telling you it isn't an issue.
It doesn't mean live in fear. I have put in 100s upon 100s of hours of games with static elements. No burn-in whatsoever. The in TV apps such as Netflix, youtube, also have a built in screensaver so that if the TV is paused, it will go black and display some light fireworks.
Now, I do not recommend an OLED to someone who is only going to be gaming and more specifically playing mostly one game (like a Fortnite).
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ScaryBrandon
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You're way overestimating how much OLEDs are selling. Its a high end niche product that sells a couple of million units globally a year. That is a drop in the ocean compared to total tv sales. Many OLED buyers are cinephiles and OLEDs provide unmatched picture quality and they accept that they will have to replace their tv every few years.
Its a big hassle to claim warranty for burn in most people would just rather get on with life and ignore it, some others never looked for it or noticed it. However, there is tons of evidence of it online and people posting their experiences.
Unfortunately most of the time they will try to either refer you to the retailer which will mess you about or pass the blame to you claiming you misused the TV. A couple of people had to take things to court to get replacements in the UK. John Lewis started recently offering extensive warranty that specifically mentions burn in for a an extra couple of hundred bucks.LG actually covers burn-in in a lot of cases:
2019 C9–E9 Owner's Thread (No Price Talk)
A german representative of LG also confirmed that they are covering burn-in in most cases.
even though their warranty information says someting different. But they will review each case. And
if your TV always had the chance to run the pixel refresher etc. they will cover burn-in.
So yea. Just make sure that the TV can do at least one refresh cycle within 4 - 8 hours.
A lot of people even got their panel replaced for free even when they were out of warranty.
Still even with warranty I would rather not have to deal with the hassle of people coming in to pick up my tv and leaving me with nothing for a couple of weeks at a time.
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
2019 C9–E9 Owner's Thread (No Price Talk)
www.avsforum.com
Even though their warranty information says someting different. But they will review each case. And
if your TV always had the chance to run the pixel refresher etc. they will cover burn-in.
So yea. Just make sure that the TV can do at least one refresh cycle within 4 - 8 hours.
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Yeah, the one case of burn-in I talked to someone about, it was discovered that he would turn his TV off using the powerstrip, as he felt he was saving money by shutting off all his power to his electronics. I told him that turning that power off like that prevented the TV from running it's internal pixel refresher when it was turned off. He stopped turning off the powerstrip and then the image retention eventually went away.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
And there is tons more evidence that people are recognizing that it's not an issue. For everyone one person who has an issue there are 100s more who swear by it.
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Venuspower
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There are lot of people that are buying open-box units with burn-in without any
kind of extended warranty. And LG still replaced the panel.
From what I know LG will send a technician to replace the panel in your house.
They did the same with my motherboard. This should also be the case in other countries-
Yea. In those cases LG will most likely not replace a panel.
They are able to see the UTT and how many pixel refreshers were done.
Then they will devide the UTT by the amount of cycles. And if this value is
smaller than 8 everything is fine.
In your case the guy was lucky that it was just IR.
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enigmatic enthusiast
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Dude, fucking chill. Lol.
I scrolled up the first time. Still until OLED becomes a better value proposition, prolly when MicroLED is takes over at that pricepoint, ill then have no other choice. Unless manufacturers drop OLED altogether if they arent able to further reduce manufacturing costs.
ThaMonkeyClaw
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Lol, I currently have a 75" and the space I have will fit a 86" which I plan to get around Sept/Oct. With the costs of these larger sets coming down I image more and more people getting them, I remember back when a 50-55" was considered a gigantic screen!
(Don't mind the decorations, this was from Dec last year!)
ScaryBrandon
Banned
Unfortunately I've seen the opposite. Even for OLEDs that are a few months old you need to make a really strong case otherwise you have to pay for the technician visit and the panel. This thread for example is quite enlightening for the curious ones: https://www.avforums.com/threads/ol...mage-retention.2056624/page-180#post-28081902
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Cool story, bro. You've managed to find the dozens of people who have issues. It's a shame that 100s upon 100s of people not having issues didn't make their own thread talking about how great it is.
ScaryBrandon
Banned
I would rather be pro-consumer than a screeching shill for a technology that is wonderful but fundamentally flawed. OLEDs degrade no matter what and there is no solution yet.
Venuspower
Member
I have also seen cases where LG didn't want to do anything.
But have seen even more people where LG replaced the panel.
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
You're the one being the shill by spreading FUD and misinformation. Trying to make burn-in seem like a massive out of control issue when it, in fact, is not. Proof: more manufacturers are getting on board and sales continue to go up. If something was the massive issue you're making it out to be, then it would have been dead long ago.
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S0ULZB0URNE
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That set is IPS and suffers from glowing blacks.
I recommend a VA Panel like Sony's new 85X900H which is new,on sale and supports HDMI 2.1.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Yeah unfortunately OLED's are organic based so don't expect a long life span and are highly susceptible to burn in.
LG is moving away from the tech and has already started cutting corners with it's 2020 CX line.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I agree. It's a mindbogglingly stupid decision. The 900H and their highest end OLED A9H is apparently the only TVs of theirs that support it. I've considered Sony one of the best run companies, but that decision especially given the fact that they're fixing to release to release their next gen console seems strange.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
I currently have the Sony KD-50W805c
I'm happy with it and love the look of it and I paid £700 for it in 2015
but I guess I do need to upgrade
I guess the KD-55XH81 would be the newer model?
I'm tempted with the KD-55XH90 though
I don't know, with PS5 aswell this year £1000+ TV is a bit much
I'm happy with it and love the look of it and I paid £700 for it in 2015
but I guess I do need to upgrade
I guess the KD-55XH81 would be the newer model?
I'm tempted with the KD-55XH90 though
I don't know, with PS5 aswell this year £1000+ TV is a bit much
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
50000 hours is what the estimate is. Thats 297 weeks of non-stop watching and if you stretch that out to even 8 hours a day, that's 6250 days, which is just over 17 years, which is FAR FAR FAR FAR longer than anyone is likely to own a TV.
However, numbers can be fudged so even if we went ultra conservative to 20000 hours, that's still over 2 years of continuous running. I judge a TV than can last over 5 years to be a good TV. TO be fair OLEDs have not been on the market long enough to really guage that. Fun fact: my parents cheap 720p plasma TV that is over 10 years old is still going strong.
Highly susceptible? Not so fast.
Real-Life OLED Burn-In Test On 6 TVs
There are concerns about OLED long-term performance due to the possibility of burn-in. We bought 6 LG OLED C7s to play real, non-altered content. It should give you a better idea of what to expect depending on what you watch on your TV.
www.rtings.com
As for the CX having corners cut, yes the bandwidth has been limited to 40 GBps instead of 48GBps. While I don't defend the issue, it's largely irrelevant since the only real thing that was lost is 12-bit HDR color sources at 4K/120. Since OLED panels are 10-bit displays the loss won't really be noticed. 40GBps is still enough to run full uncompressed RGB/4:4:4 at 10-bit HDR at 4K/120.
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S0ULZB0URNE
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50000 hours is what the estimate is. Thats 297 weeks of non-stop watching and if you stretch that out to even 8 hours a day, that's 6250 days, which is just over 17 years, which is FAR FAR FAR FAR longer than anyone is likely to own a TV.
However, numbers can be fudged so even if we went ultra conservative to 20000 hours, that's still over 2 years of continuous running. I judge a TV than can last over 5 years to be a good TV. TO be fair OLEDs have not been on the market long enough to really guage that. Fun fact: my parents cheap 720p plasma TV that is over 10 years old is still going strong.
Highly susceptible? Not so fast.
Real-Life OLED Burn-In Test On 6 TVs
There are concerns about OLED long-term performance due to the possibility of burn-in. We bought 6 LG OLED C7s to play real, non-altered content. It should give you a better idea of what to expect depending on what you watch on your TV.
Fear and Trembling: LG Display faces the axe for OLED burn-in and market squeeze
After seven years of ignoring the warning signs, LG Display's OLED TV panel business is facing a reckoning by LG Group's leadership and the market as rival Samsung jumps to MicroLED and QD-OLED panels.
www.zdnet.com
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
You have a link for the A9H supporting HDMI 2.1?
enigmatic enthusiast
Member
What if the PSVR2 becomes the best way to play, even flat plane gaming, if released with a high enough resolution to satisfy the majority of gamers?
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I stand corrected. Robert Zohn (someone I trust) initially stated that it would be an HDMI 2.1 TV, but it appears he was wrong as of 5/2/2020
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In conclusion, the 900H is currently the only Sony TV that is non-high end 8K that supports it.
Unfortunately, the specs don't indicate whether it's one or all 4 ports that support.
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
My experience with PSVR was nothing short of a major disappointment. It has a LONG way to go before I'd consider it the best way to play.
Mainly because the image quality was so godawful bad. Total waste of $200 for me. I was seduced by Skyrim being bundled with it.