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[Infinitemadness]

combine this with the extension of last call to 4am. People drink in a recession.

 

[Undeux]

A waste of time right now? Then when? This so called reefer madness was never right and to just brush off the first attempt to undo a lot of wrong I think would just add to it. Hopefully the lawmakers share my attitude about it.

When it would actually have popular support and when we don't have huge underlying problems in the state. I agree that there's a lot to undo, but it's not going to be undone right now. So why spend time that could be used on other legislation that would fix those problems?

 

[Acid08]

Except they already passed a similar measure that goes against Federal law. Prop 420, or whatever its called, 10 years ago.

It's called Prop 215 which made medical marijuana legal. Calling something "Prop 420" would be fucking retarded. That's why these laws, and marijuana in general, are not taken seriously. Everyone tries to turn this shit into a joke. Same with those Obama pot leaf shirts I saw around election time.

 

[daw840]

It's called Prop 215 which made medical marijuana legal. Calling something "Prop 420" would be fucking retarded. That's why these laws, and marijuana in general, are not taken seriously. Everyone tries to turn this shit into a joke. Same with those Obama pot leaf shirts I saw around election time.

I know it's not called prop 420 in reality. I just couldn't remember the number.

 

[Acid08]

Right, but their would have to be tiers to the quality. Pay more for better. Just like beer!

As long as I'm not paying $100 a quarter anymore for some good shit I'll be good

 

[daw840]

As long as I'm not paying $100 a quarter anymore for some good shit I'll be good

In Cali I used to regularly buy 75-85 dollar eighths. It was some dankness though, looked like it was rolled in sugar.

 

[Undeux]

Except they already passed a similar measure that goes against Federal law. Prop 420, or whatever its called, 10 years ago.

It's going to harder to get this passed than medical marijuana was. Popular image of medical is someone with two months to live. What's the popular image of your average pot smoker? Unrealistic as the image is, it's still out there.

 

[Raistlin]

As much as I may support the goal, it's a stupid thing to do right now. There's a lot of shit that needs to be fixed in California, especially in SF, and it's a little frustrating to see that amiano wants to start a pointless battle with federal law and get publicity instead of doing something productive. Legal weed's an interesting idea, but I need financial aid in school. Great to see that part of my extra state tax and the salaries of laid off state employees will go toward a doomed and stupid legal battle.

And where does something like financial aid come from?

Tax dollars, which is the point of this.

 

[Acid08]

In Cali I used to regularly buy 75-85 dollar eighths. It was some dankness though, looked like it was rolled in sugar.

I live in the Bay Area so any weed here is usually pretty dank. $15 a gram here. When I go visit some friends in Santa Cruz I always stock up while I'm there . Weed is so cheap there!

There are reasons I love living in this state

Edit: Wait I misread your post. That expensive for an eighth? Holy shit haha. Eighths are usually $45-$50 for me, and it's usually high quality mids. I'm just lucky that the last time I bought a quarter my dealer had some Sour D ready for me

 

[got2bekidding]

When it would actually have popular support and when we don't have huge underlying problems in the state. I agree that there's a lot to undo, but it's not going to be undone right now. So why spend time that could be used on other legislation that would fix those problems?

Who is to say it isn't popular though? It's not like a lot of people who are or would be in favor could go out and voice their opinion without fear of being fired or persecuted by friends/family. Every poll I've seen has majority support for this issue. The CNBC poll that went along with Marijuana Inc. (show about marijuana in California) has 97% in favor of just decriminalizing the drug.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/28621704
If going by those numbers, how much are you willing to bet that a majority would be in favor of an all out legalization of it? That's not necessarily a small sampling either. The poll had over 33,000 votes.

 

[lil smoke]

Kidding? Nope. It's just like classic car restorers. They put work into their restoration to make a junk heap turn into a beautiful car. Sorry you don't understand about putting effort into something, seeing the stages of change, finally reaching the final stage and getting satisfaction from it. What's so hard about understanding that?

I think some people (especially those who don't smoke or don't know anyone who does) lump all marijuana smokers into lazy dopeheads that just wanna get high. Of all people, I think mj smokers appreciate what they intake, unlike coke addicts, beer drinkers, or cigarrette smokers, etc. Even growing up with the rough crew I grew up with, we always discussed weed growing. Once a friend and I stole another guys (sorry Tony) parents' weed plants from their back yard and replanted them in the woods. It did okay at first, but obviously never matured and we smoked it anyway :lol

Anyway, trust me. People that smoke weed love the plant they smoke, and lots of people will take growing up as a hobby. Maybe they'll all fail as growers, but gotta start somewhere.

 

[Ranger X]

Congrats to California. This would totally be an intelligent move.

Best way to control something is to regulate it. Marijuana should totally be legalised. Quality would probably get better for people who use some, quantity would be managed, less bulllshit on the streets and this would probably result in less death because of Marijuana.


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[Undeux]

And where does something like financial aid come from?

Tax dollars, which is the point of this.

If it passes. Until then, money will go into a long and maybe futile attempt.

 

[daw840]

Congrats to California. This would totally be an intelligent move.

Best way to control something is to regulate it. Marijuana should totally be legalised. Quality would probably get better for people who use some, quantity would be managed, less bulllshit on the streets and this would probably result in less death because of Marijuana.


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I have never heard of a death from marijuana....have you?

 

[Ranger X]

I have never heard of a death from marijuana....have you?

Crime, death, etc. I didn't mean marijuana as the direct cause.
It also rare you die from alcohol yet there's TONS of people dying BECAUSE of it.


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[Flynn]

So in order to get out of hard times the state becomes a drug dealer...


There is a movie script in here somewhere. Call the Governor.

 

[daw840]

Crime, death, etc. I didn't mean marijuana as the direct cause.
It also rare you die from alcohol yet there's TONS of people dying BECAUSE of it.


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Yeah, I know. I was just wondering. Drunk driving kills lots of people, but you never really hear about deaths from high driving. Probably because people are slowing way down when they are high.:lol

 

[Undeux]

Who is to say it isn't popular though? It's not like a lot of people who are or would be in favor could go out and voice their opinion without fear of being fired or persecuted by friends/family. Every poll I've seen has majority support for this issue. The CNBC poll that went along with Marijuana Inc. (show about marijuana in California) has 97% in favor of just decriminalizing the drug.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/28621704
If going by those numbers, how much are you willing to bet that a majority would be in favor of an all out legalization of it?

See prop 8. It's a mistake to trust this state's voters, and the conservative underbelly is huge.

 

[got2bekidding]

I think some people (especially those who don't smoke or don't know anyone who does) lump all marijuana smokers into lazy dopeheads that just wanna get high. Of all people, I think mj smokers appreciate what they intake, unlike coke addicts, beer drinkers, or cigarrette smokers, etc. Even growing up with the rough crew I grew up with, we always discussed weed growing. Once a friend and I stole another guys (sorry Tony) parents' weed plants from their back yard and replanted them in the woods. It did okay at first, but obviously never matured and we smoked it anyway :lol

Anyway, trust me. People that smoke weed love the plant they smoke, and lots of people will take growing up as a hobby. Maybe they'll all fail as growers, but gotta start somewhere.

I know man. Hopefully explaining it like I did would shed some light for the guy on the issue instead of finding it amusing or absurd.

See prop 8. It's a mistake to trust this state's voters, and the conservative underbelly is huge.

That's the thing though. I don't even think this piece of legislation would even get voted on by the public but by some committee or board of legislators. I just think that's a shame since I personally believe that if it was up to the people that it would be passed.

 

[daw840]

See prop 8. It's a mistake to trust this state's voters, and the conservative underbelly is huge.

Yeah, those dirt people that live in the IE can all go to hell.

 

[Acid08]

See prop 8. It's a mistake to trust this state's voters, and the conservative underbelly is huge.

As someone pointed out to me earlier in this thread when I brought that point up, even the most bigoted assholes in the state can smoke weed.

 

[Undeux]

As someone pointed out to me earlier in this thread when I brought that point up, even the most bigoted assholes in the state can smoke weed.

Definitely, I just don't think the majority do. I could be totally wrong - I just have no idea what to think about the voters here now.

I could see it going to popular vote - our proposition system is weird, and there will be a public reaction if it gets passed.

 

[perfectchaos007]

See prop 8. It's a mistake to trust this state's voters, and the conservative underbelly is huge.

I don't see how California be so conservative, yet always vote democratic in Presidential elections. I'm thinking they sneaked in some Utah Mormons into the polls for prop. 8 lol

Never the less I sure hope this bill does

Spoiler

puff puff

PASS

 

[Ranger X]

Yeah, I know. I was just wondering. Drunk driving kills lots of people, but you never really hear about deaths from high driving. Probably because people are slowing way down when they are high.:lol

lol indeed
Or they just go "oh fuck it" and stay at home.


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[qcf x2]

Kidding? Nope. It's just like classic car restorers. They put work into their restoration to make a junk heap turn into a beautiful car. Sorry you don't understand about putting effort into something, seeing the stages of change, finally reaching the final stage and getting satisfaction from it. What's so hard about understanding that?

It's hilarious. If you don't see why, I'm sorry. Maybe you should look at it from a different angle.

And lil smoke, I used to smoke and a good portion of my associates smoke. It's not like I'm not familiar with the perspective. But I still hope that most of them have enough common sense not to profess jealousy of people who have intimate relationships with A PLANT. Even the most wacko, tree hugging, appleseed planting botanist would sound a few brain cells short. You plant the seed, you water it and provide it with light, you take the leaves. Leave the emotions for a significant (human) other.

 

[got2bekidding]

It's hilarious. If you don't see why, I'm sorry. Maybe you should look at it from a different angle.

And lil smoke, I used to smoke and a good portion of my associates smoke. It's not like I'm not familiar with the perspective. But I still hope that most of them have enough common sense not to profess jealousy of people who have intimate relationships with A PLANT. Even the most wacko, tree hugging, appleseed planting botanist would sound a few brain cells short. You plant the seed, you water it and provide it with light, you take the leaves. Leave the emotions for a significant (human) other.

It's not being intimate, as you put it. It's about a sense of pride and accomplishment. Maybe that's why you don't get it since there seems to be a misunderstanding about the issue. I guess you're too busy putting words into people's mouths to get it.

 

[XMonkey]

State vs. Federal law, conservative supreme court, it's not a popular opinion in older generations, it's a petty issue compared to other things going on right now.

Ya, it's so petty. Who gives a shit about the added tax revenue, the money we would save on prosecuting people for simple posession, making our jails less overcrowded than they already are, and the potential for less crime and violence. The huge budget deficit is the major problem California is in right now and you're saying that something that will give the state a much needed boost in this regard is petty?

 

[blame space]

http://www.azillionthings.com/images/weed.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPHTrnvNRgY

 

[titiklabingapat]

Prop 8 was a legit point of the argument that the other side was not just good but that the other side was also completely deficient.

No on 8 campaign was ran by morons.

 

[Undeux]

Ya, it's so petty. Who gives a shit about the added tax revenue, the money we would save on prosecuting people for simple posession, making our jails less overcrowded than they already are, and the potential for less crime and violence. The huge budget deficit is the major problem California is in right now and you're saying that something that will give the state a much needed boost in this regard is petty?

It's petty because it's an uphill battle where we could instead focus on items that could bring actual income immediately rather than doubtful income a year or two from now, when the legality is settled.

It's worth noting also that I doubt amiano even expects it to pass. I won't be shocked if, after getting good pr in sf for this, he announces intent to run for mayor again.

 

[Ripclawe]

throwing pot smokers in jail is a waste of resources, but they would make for a great revenue generator so I would not legalize it but not throw them in jail.

 

[Raistlin]

If it passes. Until then, money will go into a long and maybe futile attempt.

Unless it really does look totally futile, it's worth the risk. We're talking about 1 billion + per year in potential tax revenue, versus how much for the court proceedings? That's a pretty sick payout.

 

[XMonkey]

throwing pot smokers in jail is a waste of resources, but they would make for a great revenue generator so I would not legalize it but not throw them in jail.

Then how would they generate revenue if it isn't legal...

 

[Raistlin]

Definitely, I just don't think the majority do. I could be totally wrong - I just have no idea what to think about the voters here now.

The thing is, a majority doesn't actually have to ... they just need to convince enough people that don't toke, that this is a good idea for other reasons; tax revenue for services, job creation, lower crime, etc.

I mean, I'd suspect there are plenty of people that don't drink, but also do not see reason for alcohol to be illegal. A million similar situations could be listed. Actually, even Prop 8 comes to mind as an example. While unfortunately, not enough people were convinced to vote it down ... you can't tell me that the 40-whatever % that voted no are all gay. I know California has a higher concentration than most states, but come on

 

[Karakand]

Quite possibly. Some sort of staple food.

Something subsidized (like corn!) too, probably.

Could the DEA actually do anything if you are not transporting it across state lines?

I would imagine so, yes. Interstate commerce is broadly defined. The DEA can still bust you for medical marijuana in California even though it's legal within the boundaries of the state.

 

[AndersTheSwede]

Great bill. Long overdue.

But it is superseded by federal laws as clarified recently by the Supreme Court.

The only way this happens is by a blessing from on high (badumtish) and a DEA reclassification.

 

[captmorgan]

I have no problem with it becoming legal I just have one condition.

-All business have the right to conduct drug tests as a condition of employment.

Other than that have at it.

 

[Tamanon]

Yeah, I know. I was just wondering. Drunk driving kills lots of people, but you never really hear about deaths from high driving. Probably because people are slowing way down when they are high.:lol

The deaths he's talking about is from the criminal nature of pot, not from pot itself. The same reason you had more deaths and crime during prohibition.

 

[Raistlin]

I have no problem with it becoming legal I just have one condition.

-All business have the right to conduct drug tests as a condition of employment.

Other than that have at it.

It's a double-standard though. You can't track alcohol use.

 

[Flynn]

I have no problem with it becoming legal I just have one condition.

-All business have the right to conduct drug tests as a condition of employment.

Other than that have at it.

Fuck that. If you can't tell that your employee is a stoner then your problem isn't with the smoker, it's with your idiot HR.

 

[Tamanon]

I have no problem with it becoming legal I just have one condition.

-All business have the right to conduct drug tests as a condition of employment.

Other than that have at it.

Er....all businesses already have the right to conduct drug tests for employment.

 

[AndersTheSwede]

Er....all businesses already have the right to conduct drug tests for employment.

And it's complete bullshit. Being high on the job is definitely bad and it would be within their rights to fire you. But seriously: "you can't work here if you smoked a joint a couple weeks ago."

Complete and utter bullshit.

 

[Acid08]

And it's complete bullshit. Being high on the job is definitely bad and it would be within their rights to fire you. But seriously: "you can't work here if you smoked a joint a couple weeks ago."

Complete and utter bullshit.

At least going high to work isn't as debilitating being drunk.

 

[Tamanon]

At least going high to work isn't as debilitating being drunk.

And people get fired for going to work drunk too.

 

[Eteric Rice]

And it's complete bullshit. Being high on the job is definitely bad and it would be within their rights to fire you. But seriously: "you can't work here if you smoked a joint a couple weeks ago."

Complete and utter bullshit.

My dad's friend was considered one of the best welders in the world. He was actually offered jobs at huge companies. Problem was that he could only weld like that when he was high.

My dad used to see him by the dock welding shit while smoking weed. :lol

 

[demon]

And people get fired for going to work drunk too.

Do they get fired for evidence of being drunk weeks earlier?

 

[Brodequin]

I'm curious what rules would be in place if it became legalized. Surely it wouldn't be as open as tobacco but I'd guess it'd be less stringent compared to alcohol.

-Smoking while driving?
-Smoking while at work?
-Legal to smoke in public, in a restaurant? Would we end up with no-pot restaurants like we have no smoking restaurants?
-Something comparable to a BAC/breathalyzer to determine if you're higher than the legal amount?

 

[Tamanon]

Do they get fired for evidence of being drunk weeks earlier?

Depends on the profession, but alcohol isn't illegal, thus it's not a fireable offense.

 

[Skiptastic]

I'm curious what rules would be in place if it became legalized. Surely it wouldn't be as open as tobacco but I'd guess it'd be less stringent compared to alcohol.

-Smoking while driving? Nope, they don't call it drunk driving legally, it's driving while intoxicated or driving under the influence, both of which would apply to pot.
-Smoking while at work? Up to the place of employment and other laws. Most places don't let you drink at work. Some do.
-Legal to smoke in public, in a restaurant? Would we end up with no-pot restaurants like we have no smoking restaurants? Smoking is smoking, so it would have the same restrictions as smoking cigarettes. Except I would think that the ability to become intoxicated second hand would restrict it to private locations, not public property.
-Something comparable to a BAC/breathalyzer to determine if you're higher than the legal amount?They can test your blood for weed, yes? If you appear intoxicated, the cops can bring you in, test your blood, and arrest/fine/whatever.

That would be my answers for those questions. A lot of it is similar to alcohol and cigarettes, as I figure those are the two benchmarks of legal vices.

 

[Brodequin]

That would be my answers for those questions. A lot of it is similar to alcohol and cigarettes, as I figure those are the two benchmarks of legal vices.

Hmmm, good answers, makes a lot of sense. It'd be interesting if the legal system strain/prison population doesn't decrease as much as expected from people breaking other pot related laws.