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Can we get a clear ruling on spoilers?
- Thread starter SCULLIBUNDO
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Is sculli really saying that this was a spoiler?
Fish! In a movie about being stranded in the ocean. Spoilerific.
You are a mental case.
Fish! In a movie about being stranded in the ocean. Spoilerific.
You are a mental case.
FUBAR McDangles
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Hot Coldman
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Alternatively, people need to stop being scum.
Never read it. Don't know much about it at all.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Yeah, wasn't the "spoiler" in question just a description of a SFX shot, which I'm pretty sure was in all the trailers?
ConfusingJazz
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If I want to put on my fantasy snob hat, if you haven't read The Hobbit, you deserve to have it spoiled
Devolution
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Why not? We had spoiler tagged discussions about the end of Dark Tower in the Lost thread in the off chance the end was the same. Dedication man.
Ignis Fatuus
Banned
How do Pacific Rim spoilers even exist at this point? Did the script leak or something?
If that's really what he's bitching about then that's absurd. That's in the fucking trailers.
I don't think it's that big of a problem to most people that we need to codify it.
I can't speak for the entire community, so I'll speak for myself.
I don't think many movies can be spoiled to me, for example, a movie like Avatar, I don't think you could've told me anything that would've impacted my viewing pleasure in a meaningful way.
For movies I expect to have a surprise ending or I suspect might be spoilerable, I just don't read threads about it.
Now it's true, every few years, I get to learn something about a movie that I wish I hadn't (though it should be noted that it's most often from trailers or real life friends, not neogaf threads) but you know what?
I learned to live with it, it's not that big a deal for me.
Online life have many small annoyances, I don't think every single one of them should be codify by a strict legal language, especially as we have moderation here that generally demonstrate sound judgment.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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NotTheGuyYouKill
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What's easier for people to reason: 'this book is really old and famous, they all probably already read it. , or, 'should I post this spoiler without a spoiler alert?'
Come the fuck on...
Buddha Beam
Banned
A fair point.
Why not have sort of what we have now then: a Pre-release thread with a no spoilers rule in effect and a post-release thread with spoilers?
As for spoiling movies in other threads not related, maybe have either a time limit (9 or 12 months?) or if its out on video. Whichever come first. If you break that rule... I dunno. A banning seems way to harsh. I wish GAF had a points system where if you screw up X number of times, Y amount of points is deducted from you until you get a ban
Devolution
Member
Also some people are just going to spoil shit either accidentally or with malice, what can the mods actually do other than no spoiler threads and dealing with it on a case by case basis?
blainethemono
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Or something like a character's name or the name of a place or something. Some people are just hyper sensitive about this stuff. I dont know how every person can be on the same page as to agreeing on what constitutes a spoiler.
Discussions of movie, video game and book storylines should be banned.
Vincent Alexander
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There are tons of books older than 80 years I've still never read. Spoilers twike me off. Misfits thread for Series 4 recently...
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
This is why I made the thread. I would like something to put everybody on the same page, even if it's not necessarily my own view of spoilers. But if everybody is on the same page, then everybody knows the score. It isn't the wild west of spoilertown that is currently is.
B For Bendetta
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This. If you're "sick of feeling like a whiny asshole" then get some realistic expectations and stop acting like one. Do you change the channel every time there is a preview on television? Hell you could reasonably infer the "spoiler" from the premise of the film, which makes me wonder how you decide what movies to see if every mere premise contains movie ruining spoilers
Melchiah
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I think it's bullshit how spoilers about TV series can be openly discussed immediately when the episode has been aired in NA, eventhough it hasn't been aired in the rest of the world. It just shows how America-centric this forum can sometimes be, and it makes OTs purely for people living there.
Ignis Fatuus
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Can you please clarify if you made this thread because of fish from a scene that was shown in the trailers?
If you are going to be anal enough about spoilers to care about a character's name (that is not another character being revealed to be character X) you should probably avoid the internet.
TV spoilers have been made pretty clear.
Basically, as soon as it airs on the east coast, its fair game to be talked about in the OT. In other threads, spoiler it/mark it if its talked about for some reason (IE talking about Breaking Bad in the steam thread). I remember it got to be a real issue when LOST was airing, and some mod (maybe Duckroll) put these down. There was a thing with LOST avatars in S4...S5?? Like people were making extremely spoilery avatars the second the episode was over.
There isn't something similar for movies, I don't think, at least not a concise as that.
Basically, as soon as it airs on the east coast, its fair game to be talked about in the OT. In other threads, spoiler it/mark it if its talked about for some reason (IE talking about Breaking Bad in the steam thread). I remember it got to be a real issue when LOST was airing, and some mod (maybe Duckroll) put these down. There was a thing with LOST avatars in S4...S5?? Like people were making extremely spoilery avatars the second the episode was over.
There isn't something similar for movies, I don't think, at least not a concise as that.
Revealing an aspect of something you'd prefer to learn on your own. Revealing parts of the plot, or an event of a movie or tv show.
I don't give a FUCK if The Hobbit is an old book. The movie came out two days ago and I want to go see it unspoiled.
Joe Shlabotnik
Banned
Pretty much this.
I'm extra careful about spoiling things for people, but it's near-impossible to have a constructive discussion about narrative art without, you know, mentioning things that happened. I mean, you can say it was good or bad or vaguely allude to what worked and didn't, but you can't have a conversation. So non-spoiler threads are pretty useless except for a bunch of people who haven't seen it trying to read tea leaves about the quality of a film without learning too much, or just posting when/where/how excited they are to see it.
I generally like to go in fresh myself--which means I just stop reading threads before I see something and spoilers are rolling in. Easy-peasy. But if I'm that curious, then I know being spoiled is a risk, and also that it's not really that big a fucking deal. It does kill that fresh surprise about something but the film can still be appreciated at about 99% the original experience, much like the next fifty times you watch any movie.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
The bitching never ends though. If you say that, people will just complain that they should't be expected to watch every single blu ray upon release.
I think the truth of the matter is people need to practice some self moderation. If you're super sensitive, stay out of official threads.
I remember some dude having an animated avatar of Metal Gear Rex in MGS4 the day that trailer came out. He should have been banned, maybe killed.
Or people who pirate the episodes the next morning, and it's not as if mods are punishing people for that. I think the TV thing if fair.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
That wasn't the spoiler you're replying to. It was a specific description of how a scene plays out. But like I posted earlier, this is mainly is response to The Hobbit SPOILER-FREE thread that has been plagued with spoilers despite there being another thread specifically for it.
In this past week I've been spoiled on
The Hobbit in a NO SPOILERS thread.
Oblivion in the trailer thread - somebody decided to spoil a major plot point.
Pacific Rim - again a major plot point
Life of Pi - not huge, but a scene that I would have liked to have scene play out myself rather than read about it.
Again, I'm not saying DON'T POST SPOILERS. I'm saying DON'T POST UNMARKED SPOILERS. Where is the problem? Use tags. It's one click of a button.
ConfusingJazz
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Then have your country produce some original, global television programs. I believe spoilers for Dr Who are fair game after they air in Britain.
Ignis Fatuus
Banned
Whatever, statute of limitations is up on that.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I agree with Sculli. Spoilers suck.
It's not unreasonable to not want spoilers in an unrelated thread.
It's not unreasonable to not want spoilers in an unrelated thread.
Melchiah
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Oh, so now we are belittling other countries? And I'm quite sure many would scream bloody murder if some European or Japanese film or TV series was spoiled before it reaches NA.
crazy monkey
Banned
what was spoiler in pi?
You then run into a topic of nothing but black bars with no clue exactly what is under them.
If you say spoiler tag everything, someone talking about basic plot things that are clear from the trailer would be tagged along with the twist ending.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Where did I say that?
Ignis Fatuus
Banned
I mean I'm still trying to wrap my head around this madness.
The thing that frustrates me the most is when spoilers are posted in the NON-SPOILERS thread, even when they're marked. It doesn't make any sense to me. Even if you've tagged the spoilers, now the whole thread becomes a bunch of black bars and a dangerous place to browse for those who haven't seen the movie. It's so annoying because the whole reason this thread exists at this point is for those who haven't seen the movie to remain involved and still hype.
If you've seen the movie, no need to hang around in the no spoiler thread and post spoilers, even if they're marked.There's another thread for you guys that caters to your needs. You don't even have to post black bars there. It's so much easier for both sides.
If you've seen the movie, no need to hang around in the no spoiler thread and post spoilers, even if they're marked.There's another thread for you guys that caters to your needs. You don't even have to post black bars there. It's so much easier for both sides.
crazy monkey
Banned
haha. dude it was in trailer. That is not considered spoiler. spoiler is something major such as in sixth sense the dude sees dead people and Bruce Willis. you gotta define what is spoiler. you will get spoiled on internet regardless.
Devolution
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So people who talk about any sort of scene in a movie even if it's not really a spoiler should just post SCULLI ALERT at the top?
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Another slippery slope. GIFs from episodes could be considered spoilers. What if a show airs at 9pm EST but you start seeing gifs at 10pm. Wouldn't that screw over people on the West Coast?
Listen, if a movie/book/show is current run you can go ahead and spoiler tag that shit, but I'll be damned if we can't discuss plots of shit that has been out for awhile.
If you don't want to get spoiled on The Wire, get off your ass and watch it. It's a great series. No reason to put it off any longer.
This post is aimed at no one.
If you don't want to get spoiled on The Wire, get off your ass and watch it. It's a great series. No reason to put it off any longer.
This post is aimed at no one.
I understand why things can get spoiled for some, but I tend not to care.
For me, I'm generally able to follow a movie and see twisty bits in context of the story.
Of course, for some movies, the entire point is the spoiler, and the film could possibly be ruined if those were given away, but generally, if a movie can be ruined by one even being known, then the movie really doesn't stand up to scrutiny for me.
I guess I'm very much a repeat viewer kind of person. I like rewatching lots of movies, my favourites, for example, so spoilers mean nothing. It's like knowing Darth Vader
doesn't detract from that very moment. I might no get a OMG MIND BLOWN moment, but then again, I can't even remember the time I first found that part out anyway.
Another example is that I have Dark Knight Rises sitting on my desk....never watched it, but will soon. I already know what happens.
For me, I'm generally able to follow a movie and see twisty bits in context of the story.
Of course, for some movies, the entire point is the spoiler, and the film could possibly be ruined if those were given away, but generally, if a movie can be ruined by one even being known, then the movie really doesn't stand up to scrutiny for me.
I guess I'm very much a repeat viewer kind of person. I like rewatching lots of movies, my favourites, for example, so spoilers mean nothing. It's like knowing Darth Vader
is Luke's father
Another example is that I have Dark Knight Rises sitting on my desk....never watched it, but will soon. I already know what happens.
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