He was obviously kidding.
But we can't wait till everything has hit the entire planet. Dr. Who is fair to talk about as soon as that airs, so is Downton Abbey. Same goes for Anime.
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Can we get a clear ruling on spoilers?
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He was obviously kidding.
But we can't wait till everything has hit the entire planet. Dr. Who is fair to talk about as soon as that airs, so is Downton Abbey. Same goes for Anime.
For games it should be at most a year and then we no longer give a fuck, unless the person whining about spoilers is one of those people who wait for goty versions just because of some ridiculous anti-DLC policy. We shouldn't have any sympathy and tiptoe around discussion for those people.
I can see Bruce Willis, that's not a big deal.
I do think those spoilers which have entered popular culture are fully fair game, even just as a joke, rosebud, the planet of the apes, soylent green, relationships between Star Wars characters etc.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Yeah Sculli, pitching a fit about a shot in Life of Pi is crazytown.
East Coast 4 life. As soon as it hits the east coast is how its always worked.
Buddha Beam
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How did people spoil movies for you that aren't even out yet? If you're saying that trailers should apply to to spoiler rules, I'd say you're being a bit unrealistic in your expectations. I get wanting to go in pure, but if the creators release a trailer, that's not a spoiler at that point.
blainethemono
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I agree with that, but what about something like hearing the name of a character you didn't previously know about before you go see the movie? To me, that's not a big deal at all and doesnt really spoil anything. But to others it might be considered a huge spoiler. And i'm not saying those people are wrong to think so at all, just that some people are more serious about spoilers than others. Another thing is people posting about characters who are still alive in later books/movies/tv seasons. That's another situation where a lot of people just don't think to consider it a spoiler even though it actually spoils a lot. The only way is to just be completely careful and spoiler literally every little piece of information so that nobody gets burned by something you thought was harmless.
Also, even if there was a set of basic agreed upon rules, there are still gonna be people who haven't read the rules and aren't famliar with them and post some shit anyway. It only takes one person to spoil something for you forever
I H8 Memes
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Melchiah
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Well, The Walking Dead is aired here a week behind NA, and I asked in the OT if spoiler tags could be included for a week after each show, but it was denied, which effectively shut me and fellow Finns outside the conversation until the last episode is aired over here. Is that fair?
Obviously? Anyways, what I said about The Walking Dead is a good example. A week isn't that long time.
SCULLIBUNDO
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I'm not.
For the last time, this thread was motivated by The Hobbit bullshit this last week saw. The Life of Pi thing was unfortunate and I guess if everything described was in the trailer I didn't remember it and am wrong in that case. The theatrical trailers are fair game.
Yes.
Moral Panic
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After a certain amount of time, whining about spoilers is just silly. If the thing has been out for 5 years and you still haven't seen it then you clearly don't care that much about it, so whining that you've been "spoiled" is just childishness imo.
OP is right to be annoyed about things that came out within month though, not good. You also have to look at regional differences so I'd say a year or two is enough leeway.
OP is right to be annoyed about things that came out within month though, not good. You also have to look at regional differences so I'd say a year or two is enough leeway.
Someone PM me this spoiler. Haven't seen it yet and I probably won't unless it comes to Amazon Prime video or something.
Buddha Beam
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Sure, sure but now I'm genuinely curious - how did people spoil Pacific Rim and Oblivion? They aren't out 'til next summer...
It actually turned out NOT to be a spoiler. The poster still got permabanned though :lol
Is it fair that everyone has to wait for the last country before they can discuss the show? What about the countries that don't get it aired, but get it on bluray? Should we wait for those? What about the countries that don't have it on bluray, but have had future distribution deals announced?
The point is to discuss it as and when it happens. You could pirate the Walking Dead if you wanted to, then tune in or buy it legally later, these are hardly insurmountable obstacles.
Basically yes, I think it's fair.
Melchiah
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How?
A week or a month isn't that long time to include spoiler tags in the OTs, that it would somehow seem impossible to do. It's less convenient for those living in NA, but considerate for those who don't. Which is more important?
Why would I pirate WD, when I can watch it on TV with subtitles? It's odd to see piracy being advocated here.
Combichristoffersen
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But I thought GAF hated Life of Pi due to the tweest
Not actually a spoiler:
Not actually a spoiler:
I thought it was an enjoyable book
Ignis Fatuus
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Don't you think it might be an indication that you're hypersensitive about things that are not actually spoilers?
SCULLIBUNDO
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Oblivion is based on a Graphic Novel and the poster spoiled a big plot point from that.
Pacific Rim I can't remember where the poster said he saw the leaked info since his poster was edited, but it too was a major plot turn.
SunhiLegend
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I'm guessing they've read the script, which you can find for movies far in advanced if you look for them.
SCULLIBUNDO
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I know I'm sensitive about spoilers. Does that make unmarked spoilers in a NO SPOILERS thread okay? Does that make the major Oblivion and Pacific Rim spoilers okay?
Tesseract
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there is no justice without due recourse. the banner should have his or her favorite disposable and ultimately useless entertainments spoiled raw.
Stuburns put together a good post on it.
We can't discuss things weeks later, I know that sucks for you but thats just how it goes. Dumb companies can't get their international act together (though Walking Dead is, IIRC, pretty good in that regard).
Fake spoiler implanted in our heads that was left to grow so that we would think it was real. That poster went all inception on us in a Nolan thread.
You are the Dovahkiin?
Moral Panic
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Indeed.
Funny thing is, that faux-spoiler probably would have made the movie better in a lot of ways.
NathanMcMahon
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well, when people get banned in the Boardwalk Empire thread for spoiling fucking history, the whole idea of spoilers seems to be broken
You can't discuss the anime episode as soon as it airs? Thats dumb.
Posting spoilers before it airs is a big no-no of course.
Partial Gamification
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GAF gets too meta in OT, tears the fabirc of space-time and causes the end of the world... oh and thread gets locked.
whatever is cleaver: try to be polite as a poster and if you have a problem - pm a mod. Honesty, I can see the need if an un- or newly- released product is being spoiled in non-topical places but why bother to click on a thread that is about what you don't want spoiled? If it [is] a theme for an individual, put them on your ignore list. The chance encounter with a spoiler might just be the cost of participating in the hype. Let the mods moderate and the admins set the standards. The site is getting updated so hopefully this will be addressed in a more explicit form. Maybe even pass on your suggestions through pms. Just my thoughts.
Lionel Mandrake
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The Hobbit seems like kind of this weird gray area.
For starters, it's based on a nearly century old literary classic. Then there's the fact that it's part of a hugely popular film series which has already given us much of the conclusion to the story. Not all of it, obviously, but we do know where the most prominent characters end up after the adventure, due to the Lord of the Rings. It's similar to whether in the Star Wars prequels we should tag the fact that Anakin fathers Luke and Leia, or Obi Wan ends up on Tatooine.
I'm not saying it shouldn't be spoiler tagged. But I think it's difficult to decide what needs to be spoilered. And spoilering everything limits the discussion from those who would like to partake in conversations about the film but don't want to risk having major plot points spoiled. Someone who wouldn't mind "I love the fight in [insert place]," but who doesn't want to know "I can't believe that Gandalf is [a cyborg sent from the future]. What a twist."
But yeah. Spoiling anything from an unreleased film that hasn't been included in promotional material is cut-and-dry bannable shit. I'm glad I missed the Pacific Rim post.
For starters, it's based on a nearly century old literary classic. Then there's the fact that it's part of a hugely popular film series which has already given us much of the conclusion to the story. Not all of it, obviously, but we do know where the most prominent characters end up after the adventure, due to the Lord of the Rings. It's similar to whether in the Star Wars prequels we should tag the fact that Anakin fathers Luke and Leia, or Obi Wan ends up on Tatooine.
I'm not saying it shouldn't be spoiler tagged. But I think it's difficult to decide what needs to be spoilered. And spoilering everything limits the discussion from those who would like to partake in conversations about the film but don't want to risk having major plot points spoiled. Someone who wouldn't mind "I love the fight in [insert place]," but who doesn't want to know "I can't believe that Gandalf is [a cyborg sent from the future]. What a twist."
But yeah. Spoiling anything from an unreleased film that hasn't been included in promotional material is cut-and-dry bannable shit. I'm glad I missed the Pacific Rim post.
Vincent Alexander
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There's a huge difference between history and Hollywood/Televsion "History". And even if you know someone dies, or does this or that, you still might not know when. Maybe that's the excitement of knowing someone dies and just wondering when the moment is---good writers will play with that knowledge to add tension. But then you hop into a thread and have someone spoiler and suddenly you know what episode it happens. I dunno...just rambling.
I think the answer to all of this is common fucking sense. And if you aren't sure, spoiler it. Best play it safe for everyone. I don't think most who spoil things are intending to be assholes.
Oh yeah well there you go. Thats a bit different for whatever reason...as we are discussing here.
I know pretty much zilch about 99% of anime btw.
Combichristoffersen
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You just ruined Hobbit 2 and 3 for me. Hope you get banned and your mom turns into a man
Cornballer
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I think the TV GAF setup has been working well for a while. There are some minor problems with it (e.g. posters in different regions being behind occasionally), but in general it's clear and people do a good job adhering to them.
No one was banned for that. There were just requests made to be mindful and considerate of the fact that not everyone is well versed in the history of that period.
ConfusingJazz
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So how are you supposed to invalidate a false spoiler? When you call out a fake spoiler, aren't you spoiling the movie by giving more information?
Like, let's say the fake spoiler is that Character A dies in the end of a tense movie. By saying that spoiler is fake, you are revealing that Character A lives, thus you are being a spoiler.
I'm not advocating piracy, well, maybe I am, but if you want to take part in the discussion as it happens, then I think that's the only viable reality, the rest of GAF certainly shouldn't be waiting. The other alternative of course is to have dedicated threads per country. If there are fifty finns eager to discuss it when they get it, make a thread for them. On the gaming side, we have threads for different regional release dates often.
ElRenoRaven
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Goddamn it. Spoiler tag that shit.
Seriously though. Some people are way too goddamn uptight about spoilers. I've seen some getting so damn uptight that now they also want you to label your spoilers. I mean really come the hell on. The only thing I think should get people in trouble is fake spoilers. That's the real problem. You get so many that use them as jokes that half the time anymore people don't know what is spoiler and what isn't.
What if there never was a Character A
This is why we have spoiler threads attached to most of the big film releases. No reason to have unmarked spoilers in any OT when there is a thread dedicated to it. If there is no dedicated thread then wait for a mod to give the OK for unmarked spoilers. I see no reason why unmarked spoilers should be in the Hobbit OT no matter how old the book is.
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