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You guys are so melodramatic. Canadian politics is sensible. And under the conservatives, I don't feel much different in every aspect of my life, entitlements, taxes included, than I did under the Liberals.

The only difference is the intelligentsia have different things to rage about. When its the liberals in power, its about some vague lefty policy , when its the conservatives, the question of the day is which women's group is going to get their $200,000 in funding cut by 10%.

Seriously get some perspective. Canadian politics is boring and very moderate. And yes, I was a Liberal who became a conservative who gave up on politics.
 
I used to feel that way until this year. Killing the mandatory long form census is actually a big fucking deal and I can't believe people support a move that would essentially blind the country to what's going on with it's citizens.
 
Deku said:
You guys are so melodramatic. Canadian politics is sensible. And under the conservatives, I don't feel much different in every aspect of my life, entitlements, taxes included, than I did under the Liberals.

The only difference is the intelligentsia have different things to rage about. When its the liberals in power, its about some vague lefty policy , when its the conservatives, the question of the day is which women's group is going to get their $200,000 in funding cut by 10%.

Seriously get some perspective. Canadian politics is boring and very moderate. And yes, I was a Liberal who became a conservative who gave up on politics.
Must be good not to be a woman then? :lol
 
Zzoram said:
It's too bad that even when the Liberals are sucking, the Conservatives are often still a shittier option.

Mike Harris got a lot of hate but I don't think I hate what he did overall. His first term was actually somewhat successful. He cut taxes a lot, which is how he got elected, and maybe in the end it turned out to be a bad move. Cutting some of the overspending by the NDP on social services was fine, but firing nurses wasn't cool. Neither was cutting public transit in Toronto, the city which needs public transit the most, and where public transit is most efficient. Also, he sold Highway 407 to a private consortium for way too cheap ($4B when it cost $100B just to buy the land for the highway and $1.6B to build it), a highway that was built with taxpayer dollars. Breaking up Ontario Hydra was kinda pointless and probably overall a bad move. However a lot of his moves helped eliminate the debt in Ontario so overall his first term was probably positive. Merging municipalities was sorta good, sorta bad. He offloaded some costs to cities by doing it, but it did reduce a bit of unnecessary overlaps in government too.

His second term went to shit though with Walkerton (not exactly his fault, the guy running the place was too lazy to do real testing and just made up reports for years, although Harris cuts to inspection were blamed). He also made literacy and job training/placements a requirement for welfare, kicking 500,000 people off it. Not sure how I feel about that, I do think people on welfare should be getting job training and placements, but if they didn't know how to read, I think they should've been given tutoring classes instead of immediately kicked off welfare. Weakening school boards and putting in standardized testing may have pissed off teachers but I think that was fine. Cutting the number of prep hours teachers got by requiring them to teach an extra class pissed off teachers super hard but I don't know if it was really that bad. The thing I disgreed with most during this term was his plan to give tax rebates to people who sent their kids to private Christian schools. I don't think that passed so that's fine. Oh and he cut out OAC, the 5th year of high school, but that's fine, it wasn't necessary and a lot of people graduated without it anyways.

I guess upon reflection, Mike Harris wasn't so bad. He did some crappy things but also did some good and necessary things to balance the budget.



I'd rather have Conservatives running Ontario than Canada. The worst they can do in Ontario is keep trying to fund private Christian schools and sell off Crown assets. I think Ontario needs some business tax cuts to help revive the economy (it's better than the cash bribes for businesses to setup shop in Ontario that the Liberals are doing) but the Liberals won't do it so it might take a term of Conservatives at the helm to get that done.


That religious school funding crap actually got a PC elected in my area =/ Only place in the Province where it worked *facepalm*
 
BigJonsson said:
That religious school funding crap actually got a PC elected in my area =/ Only place in the Province where it worked *facepalm*

It's the reason the PC lost the last election. Dalton McGuinty was going down, then John Tory brought up the religious schools and tanked so hard he lost his own seat. The woman he was running against was Minister of Education :lol
 
Actually after reading more about what McGuinty has done in Ontario, I've decided he's alright. Everyone still hates him for the health care premium but most of the other things he's done have been good.
 
I had been kind of neutral on Harper but so many intolerant actions he's been behind - and it's him, not his party, he's such a control freak that nobody else is allowed to think for themselves - have made me think "this is not my Canada." I mean, is this really a country where the Minister of State gets fired for speaking positively about gay pride?

This last fiasco, and the weak ass way he's used his usual attack dog political style to try and pin it on the opposition, as if that's what the UN bases decisions on (face it Steve, you just don't know how to play the game - you tried to buy votes with maple syrup? Really?) have pushed me over the edge. Get lost Harper, you're not fit to run this country, there's a reason nobody trusted you with a majority.

Bring the Liberals back already, at their worst they were never like this.
 
Portugal beating out Canada for a seat on UN Security Council makes me LOLOLOL
(me being a Portuguese-Canadian who is a fan of Trudeau and Chretien)

LOL Harper WTF!!!
 
Firestorm said:
Maybe the reason you find Canadian politics so boring is because they're too busy blaming each other to get anything done.
It could also have to do with the fact that he's actually a Conservative apologist that knows the only way for his party to stay in power is to promote voter indifference.
 
Deku said:
You guys are so melodramatic. Canadian politics is sensible. And under the conservatives, I don't feel much different in every aspect of my life, entitlements, taxes included, than I did under the Liberals.

The only difference is the intelligentsia have different things to rage about. When its the liberals in power, its about some vague lefty policy , when its the conservatives, the question of the day is which women's group is going to get their $200,000 in funding cut by 10%.

Seriously get some perspective. Canadian politics is boring and very moderate. And yes, I was a Liberal who became a conservative who gave up on politics.

Thank god we have Deku here to tell us 'Nothing to see here'.
 
Zzoram said:
Actually after reading more about what McGuinty has done in Ontario, I've decided he's alright. Everyone still hates him for the health care premium but most of the other things he's done have been good.
McGuinty is OK. He hasn't done anything all that bad, really... but he's a horrible leader, and has the public perception of being, at best, a weenie, and at worst, a weasel. That's why I don't like him: He's going to lead to his party's downfall, and therefore another Conservative government run by another hatchet-wielding "cut" fanatic.
 
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