AquaticSquirrel
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_leech_ said:
My sentiments exactly. Felt the same way from the get go.
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Capcom, Grin's Bionic Commando Sells A Meager 27K in U.S.
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My sentiments exactly. Felt the same way from the get go.
AquaticSquirrel
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Porridge said:
Let's hear it for making assumptions!
I'm not a "modern player". I'm 25 and have been gaming since I was like 4 or something. That experience has given me the ability to ascertain the quality of a game very quickly without having to play it for 30 hours. If something is not fun why would I keep doing it for hours in the hopes it MAY get good?
Aside from that I don't have much time to play so I try to only play the best games, or at least worthwhile games. And it's my money so I'll do what I want with it, damn apologists. Neogaf really does contain someone who will defend anything even if it is obviously lacking in quality.
If you liked the game and were willing to waste your time with it then good for you, but my time is far more valuable to me to waste on trash like Grin's BC. Oh and before you claim that I wouldn't be on GAF if my time was that valuable, shut up, I come to GAF to relax and catch up on news normally before I go to bed.
I AM JOHN!
Banned
You admitted you only played the game for an hour and a half. How far did you get into the game? How many of the challenges did you do? How accustomed did you get to the swinging and the inertia and the combat of the game? Perhaps we're just making assumptions here, but going by things I've seen all over the internet and all the undeserved hate this game gets, I get the feeling you just didn't learn how to properly play the game and gave up after a relatively short time.Ryujin said:
If you're going to rag on the game and call it shit, you should at least say what was shit about it instead of just saying "LOL THE GAME SUCKED SO WHATEVER." How does the game reek of "focus testing" as you so claim it does? What's bad about the graphics (because aside from the tearing that happens because Diesel engine is not optimized for 360, the game looks fucking great)? How is it clunky in the least? Otherwise, I and other members of the Defense Force will gladly go to town on you and your stupidity.
DeaconKnowledge
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I AM JOHN! said:
Uh, so what? We're contractually obligated to play games to completion in order to judge them now?
I AM JOHN!
Banned
DeaconKnowledge said:
There's a great point to be made for the Old Man Murray argument for "why play a game for me to get to the good part?" I think the problem is that most people don't give the game a chance because they struggle to get accustomed to the movement and combat of the game (and admittedly, the game is pretty unforgiving unless you learn how you're supposed to play it) and therefore claim the game sucks and is broken and clunky and leave before getting to Act II, where the game opens up and kicks it up to 11. And it annoys me.sillymonkey321 said:
AquaticSquirrel
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I AM JOHN! said:
What stupidity? I didn't play a game enough that I clearly didn't like after nearly 2 hours and decades of videogame experience to know what is good and what is not. That is somehow stupid now?
As for your other comments...really? Do you know ANYTHING about the game you seem to love so much? The character designs are focus tested to hell, that's where we got mr.Dreadlocks. That's a fact that was revealed when the game was first shown (As if it wasn't obvious already). As for the graphics....seriously now you can't honestly believe that they were anything other than mediocre and low budget, could you?
Man you defense force types are really reaching here, but whatever. Game was bad, sold accordingly. Get over it and stop trying make out like it's a misunderstood gem by the flithy ignorant masses and that only godlike superior beings such as yourself can appreciate such high art.
DeaconKnowledge
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I AM JOHN! said:There's a great point to be made for the Old Man Murray argument for "why play a game for me to get to the good part?" I think the problem is that most people don't give the game a chance because they struggle to get accustomed to the movement and combat of the game (and admittedly, the game is pretty unforgiving unless you learn how you're supposed to play it) and therefore claim the game sucks and is broken and clunky and leave before getting to Act II, where the game opens up and kicks it up to 11. And it annoys me.
That's the thing though; people don't have to give it a chance.
It is up to the developers of the game to make their game compelling enough to play. If the majority of gamers drop a game (or in this case, not even bother to pick it up) it is the developers problem, not the gamers. Blaming your potential customers for not buying a game is lunacy, and defending the practice frankly, is extreme fanboyism.
I AM JOHN!
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You seem pretty eager to say the game sucks without going into specifics of how the game sucks aside from random troll comments. Surely you're not going to argue that it's stupid to hate something without being able to back up why you hate it with examples from the game you played and hated, are you?Ryujin said:
Actually, I missed the whole "character was focus tested and we gave him Dreadlocks because the focus tests liked that more. Not that I really care anyhow because I've never had a problem with Dreadlocks Spencer and nothing about the game screams "we tailored this game to focus tests to make the game as appealing to the end consumer as possible" because of how, as I've said, unforgiving and hardcore the game is. And as for the graphics, did you get to the caves? Ascension City Gardens? The docks? Because though the game has some tearing and a not-so-fantastic art aesthetic, it definitely looks very nice in places. This isn't Wanted we're talking about, which looked insanely N64 in places.
Funny how there's only one person being a condescending asshole here.
I don't think Grin or Capcom's blaming people for not getting the game, though. However, as someone who loves the game and really got into it, I have no problem doing that.DeaconKnowledge said:
In general, though, I agree with you.
Arpharmd B
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An hour and a half is plenty of time to gauge an opinion. If you don't like it after that much time, you don't like it.
I'll pick up a game, and take about 30 minutes to get used to the controls and whatnot, and I'll tell you what I think right then and there. I think Gears of War was the last game that took me a while to get the hang of, and once I did I was absolutely in love with the game. Same with Lost Planet.
I did one match of Bionic Commando multiplayer, probably took me about 15 minutes to get the controls down, quit halfway through and abruptly deleted the demo.
I'm not in a position to tear the game to shreds, but I'll say this that demo felt like some crappy Xbox 1 game I accidentally rented in 2002.
I'm big on art in games, and I love Capcom's character designs. The lameness of focus testing a character design pretty much just speaks for itself. The game deserved to crash and burn just off that choice alone IMO. Thank god some games these days still have integrity and inspiration behind them.
I'll pick up a game, and take about 30 minutes to get used to the controls and whatnot, and I'll tell you what I think right then and there. I think Gears of War was the last game that took me a while to get the hang of, and once I did I was absolutely in love with the game. Same with Lost Planet.
I did one match of Bionic Commando multiplayer, probably took me about 15 minutes to get the controls down, quit halfway through and abruptly deleted the demo.
I'm not in a position to tear the game to shreds, but I'll say this that demo felt like some crappy Xbox 1 game I accidentally rented in 2002.
I AM JOHN! said:
I'm big on art in games, and I love Capcom's character designs. The lameness of focus testing a character design pretty much just speaks for itself. The game deserved to crash and burn just off that choice alone IMO. Thank god some games these days still have integrity and inspiration behind them.
Arpharmd B said:
I think the onus is on Dead Rising 2 and, more importantly, Dark Void, to prove that Capcom should continue to be one of the upcoming Japanese publishers for Western developers. I very surprised that Capcom was expecting sales as high as that or even depending on the success of such experimental titles.
This is absolutely disastrous for Grin. Their business is set around an in-house engine that can be cross-platform and versatile. I can't imagine them getting work considering their recent reputation. I can see PSN/XBLA games being the best option for them.
I feel like posting the Guile 'go home and be a family man.gif' but this is too depressing.
Duckhuntdog
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I might be over simplifying but, you know this game would have totally worked as a Metroid Prime rip-off. Just replace the bulk of Samus walking with swinging and you would already probably be off to a great start.
Red Scarlet
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Hellion said:
Going by the thread, it sounds like there never was a PSN demo, only a multiplayer one on 360.
The controls seem to be oen of the main complaints people have. Yet, they don't take time to understand them. Blah blah blah...developers should make the controls easier...blah blah blah. Everyone's saying that, but it's stupid. GRIN set out to make a game with a swinging mechanic that actually made sense. Instead of having the shitastic Spider-Man set up where you just hold and release a button wasn't good for this game. Bionic Commando, even the original, is about precision with the swinging.
The game gives you plenty of opportunity to get the hang of the controls. Ultimately, GRIN's biggest mistake was releasing the MP demo instead of a single player demo with the tutorial area and one or two encounters. This isn't a traditional game where you know the basics of the control scheme and pick up and play.
People played the MP demo, didn't take the time to understand the controls, deleted it and came on GAF crying that GRIN raped their childhood and the game sucks. Don't buy it, fine. But don't try to tell everyone else the game sucked because of the controls because you couldn't grap them in a MP demo.
And the most LOLtastic response I've heard yet is people bitching that the game has a jump button. Of all the problems with the game: it's steep learning curve, it's difficulty, the challenge and collectible issues and the shitastic story...to complain about it having a jump button is just downright ridiculous and is a grasp for straws.
The game gives you plenty of opportunity to get the hang of the controls. Ultimately, GRIN's biggest mistake was releasing the MP demo instead of a single player demo with the tutorial area and one or two encounters. This isn't a traditional game where you know the basics of the control scheme and pick up and play.
People played the MP demo, didn't take the time to understand the controls, deleted it and came on GAF crying that GRIN raped their childhood and the game sucks. Don't buy it, fine. But don't try to tell everyone else the game sucked because of the controls because you couldn't grap them in a MP demo.
And the most LOLtastic response I've heard yet is people bitching that the game has a jump button. Of all the problems with the game: it's steep learning curve, it's difficulty, the challenge and collectible issues and the shitastic story...to complain about it having a jump button is just downright ridiculous and is a grasp for straws.
AgentOtaku
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JdFoX187 said:
+1
manueldelalas
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Bomba is more beautiful because it's in HD.
legend166 said:
How the heck did Ben Judd managed to convince Capcom brass to fork out 20 mil when they're farming it out to Grin? Isn't that kind of expensive for an outsourced project? I hope Ben Judd keeps his job, he was great when he was the localization lead for DMC3 and he's such an enthusiastic producer, I just think it was the wrong project to work on, Bionic Commando isn't a popular IP, it got shoved in the basement for a good reason.
There are some stupid people posting in this thread.
If a game needs more than an hour and a half to endear itself to you, it has serious pacing / accessibility problems at the very least. There are some games which are 'slow-starters' and others which require an investment of time before their pleasures become apparent, but you know what? Like Ryujin, my time is far too precious to spend playing games which force me to wade through shit or be patient or 'give them time' to become fun. If people are not having fun at least five minutes after they start playing, the game has issues (which may be minor or major, depending on the game).
Excuses such as 'you need to get used to the swinging' don't cut it. They just don't. That reeks of 'you need to get over the clunkiness and adjust to the unintuitive controls'. The best games are the ones which feel likea joy to play from the outset. Bionic Commando is not misunderstood. It is sloppy as buggery.
If a game needs more than an hour and a half to endear itself to you, it has serious pacing / accessibility problems at the very least. There are some games which are 'slow-starters' and others which require an investment of time before their pleasures become apparent, but you know what? Like Ryujin, my time is far too precious to spend playing games which force me to wade through shit or be patient or 'give them time' to become fun. If people are not having fun at least five minutes after they start playing, the game has issues (which may be minor or major, depending on the game).
Excuses such as 'you need to get used to the swinging' don't cut it. They just don't. That reeks of 'you need to get over the clunkiness and adjust to the unintuitive controls'. The best games are the ones which feel likea joy to play from the outset. Bionic Commando is not misunderstood. It is sloppy as buggery.
Pai Pai Master
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Man that 360-exclusive demo did wonders for them.
AgentOtaku
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Pai Pai Master said:
Sure did
Sir Alemeth
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Well to be fair, this particular title might be one of the few that might have sold better if it were on the Wii, due to Bionic Commando's fanbase from the NES back in the olden days.
I AM JOHN!
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Seriously. I was convinced they couldn't be stupid enough to only put out the multiplayer demo. All they had to do was put out a demo with the tutorial and one of the more open areas of Trent Industrial or Ascension City Gardens and you'd have a demo that shows off everything the game has to offer. :\Pai Pai Master said:
Sidzed2 said:
If Bionic Commando had taken an hour and a half to endear itself to me, I wouldn't have liked it. But I took to it pretty quickly. Even in the hectic multiplayer demo, it wasn't more than one or two rounds before I was swinging like a champ.
The swing doesn't work quite as you'd expect it if you're thinking it's going to be like Spiderman. What may have helped me was that I had spent some time watching gameplay video, so I knew what sort of thing I should be going for. Emulating that was a snap.
The game controls incredibly well, in my view. You have a huge amount of control over the swinging, without a lot of complexity. Unless you're stubbornly fighting the system, it shouldn't take very long before it becomes intuitive.
a Master Ninja
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I can't believe Capcom thought they'd sell 500,000 copies of Dead Rising Chop Till You Drop.vala said:Capcom expectations:
source:http://ir.capcom.co.jp/english/data/pdf/fy2009_2rd_quarter_a.pdf
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Okay, so Bionic Commando tanked. Can't Capcom immediately lower the price and have some sort of sale to spur... sales? I mean, that's how it works, right?
AceBandage
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Sir Alemeth said:
Not without a serious reworking of the mechanics and the story.
TheJollyCorner
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a new Bionic Commando is about 3 generations too late.
This is why you don't sit on things, Capcom.
I'd hate to see when Strider PS4/XBox 720 comes out....
This is why you don't sit on things, Capcom.
I'd hate to see when Strider PS4/XBox 720 comes out....
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=199558
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=200059
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=200059
not crazy about the character design or the developer's pedigree, but that trailer is pretty sweet. and yeah, it's great to hear an orchestrated version of that song -- the arrangement actually reminds me of mgs, as does that hayter impersonation. the graphics look quite good -- swedish developers seem to excel there. i've actually got higher hopes for this than sf4
The Take Out Bandit
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2 Minutes Turkish said:
Subcontracting is the way of the future:
Street Fighter
Bionic Commando
Commando
Get used to it, it's only going to get worse.
I AM JOHN!
Banned
And somehow in the year-and-a-half between announcement and release, the majority of GAF decided that they either no longer cared or that the game looked like shit. :|AniHawk said:
DemonSwordsman
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SHOTEH FOCK OP said:
they better. Its 70 new in canada. WTF kind of BS is that. God of War 3 could come out tommorow at that price and i wouldnt buy it.
akachan ningen
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I AM JOHN! said:
Yeah. That "somehow" is that we actually played it. Some of us anyway.