ArkhamFantasy
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I see alot of people in this thread claiming that the Vita isn't selling well enough to get the game or that Capcom doesn't want to split the fanbase, so why did they make it for the Wii U?
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Capcom's "unprecedented" support towards PS Vita. Just... why?
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sublimit
Banned
i believe Vita's hardware sales would have been very different even if MH was for both 3DS/Vita.
Whilst they're wasting their time publishing those Gaist Crusher games, I'm sure they can find 5 minutes to farm out a port or two.
Games don't need to sell a million to turn a handsome profit.
You should really check your facts. You are talking about PSV having a big userbase but from bad sales in 3DS first year? In over two years (28 months) PSV only sold 2.8m in Japan so far. In comparison 3DS sold 4.3m in 2011 (10 months), 5.5m in 2012 and a further 4.9m in 2013 in Japan. Keep in mind that besides 3DS only NDS was able to sell over 5m units in a single calender year in Japan.
test_account
XP-39C²
I think so too. I almost forgot that the 3DS also got Monster Hunter 3G before Monster Hunter 4. If that was the situation with the Vita instead, the hardware sales would most likely be quite different.
frankie_baby
Member
They didn't really make it for Wiiu they just put a quick and cheap upresed port that was multi player compatible with the handheld version just like they did with portable 3rd on ps3
No doubt(assuming capcom would let it go multiplatform) But sony were not savvy enough to cut a deal with capcom, and nintendo were savvy enough to get it on 3ds
Which means nintendo have pokemon, animal crossing and other first party titles on the 3DS alongside puzzles and dragons, monster hunter etc
Sony have multiplatform western indie games
And this is what this thread is about. Portbegging in sake of Vitas health.
test_account
XP-39C²
Talking about a hypothetical situation isnt necessarily portbegging. Vita wont get MH3G or MH4. MH4G is already coming too, making it even more unlikely that Capcom will port MH3G and/or MH4 to any other platforms. But even if it was portbegging, what about it?
Please, let´s be honest for a second.
there's some superstitious belief that voicing that you want a game on a system is going to derail everything on neogaf. despite that the derailing element is usually people complaining about other people wanting games on a system.
GhostTrick
Banned
That's called trying something. As I said, it's not like Capcom never released games on Vita.
flatearthpandas
Member
Come to think of it... where are all the exclusive Capcom games for the Ouya? Neglecting their duties left and right.
test_account
XP-39C²
What do you mean? Portbegging is asking for a game to come to another platform, or have i missed something? Honest question. Its fully possible to talk about the hypothetical situation if Vita got MH3G and MH4, fully knowing that this will never happen. This doesnt mean that people are asking for these games to come to any other platforms because they know that it wont happen at this point.
By the way, on this point, does anyone here believe that MH3G or MH4 will come to Vita?
That is true. This thread is also about Capcom's Vita situation, so i think its very relevant to talk about Capcom games and platforms in this thread.
Ingueferroque
Banned
Go away. This isn't a port begging thread.
JordanN
Banned
sublimit
Banned
Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't Nintendo cut the 3DS's price in 2011 just a few months after its release due to its terrible sales?I think Iwata even gave an apology (along with some free games) to all the early adopters.
I thought the 3DS sales started to really improve only after Mario Kart 7 came out.
Port begging only applies to announcement threads and official threads.
I'm just saying they should try again. They're focusing on mobile and the Vita is essentially a smartphone with buttons, so it seems like it would make sense.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
The 3DS struggled initially because most of the games (Kid Icarus, MGS 3D, Professor Layton and the Mask of Miracle, RE Revelations etc) announced during 3DS' E3 debut wasn't ready to be launch in the initial year. That doesn't really mean the 3DS isn't heading down the success path. Also, Capcom's own Street Fighter 4 3D was the most successful launch title, and they were impressed with RE Mercenaries 3D sales too.
In contrast, Vita's initial 3rd party showings consist of tech demos (MGS4, Yakuza, MH portable 3rd etc), engine showcase (vision engine, unreal engine), logos and promises (Bioshock, Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed). It was clear to many that its not just Capcom who wasn't on board. By the time the internet reacted to the Vita's memory card, it couldn't have been obvious enough.
You can crossplay MH3G on both Wii U and 3DS.
Wasn't portbegging once forbidden? Or am I mistaken?
And we are not talking about a " hypothetical situation". This thread is about which games Vita owners want (started with post 2) and the urban myth Nintendo moneyhatted Monster Hunter. The initial question, why Capcom isn't supporting Vita anymore,which has been easily answered by costs, switch to mobiles and small userbase, isn't really a thing anymore.
Yes, Nintendo supports 3DS.
BlackLagoon
Member
Well, their two "major" Vita game announcements came long before the system even launched. Then nothing for two years until they revealed that Dragon's Dogma F2P thing that turned out to be an iOS port. This suggests they'd already decided not to give the platform any significant support before there were any sales figures to react to.
As many others have pointed out, it's mainly a combination of the 3DS getting MH and opportunity cost (similarly to how the Wii didn't get the support many would say it 'deserved').
That said, I'm surprised that the Vita got a second Capcom fighter after the first didn't exactly set the charts on fire. This is especially strange (but welcome) considering SSFIV 3D selling remarkably well, and also being the first 3DS game to break 1m shipping, and yet receiving no successor.
That said, I'm surprised that the Vita got a second Capcom fighter after the first didn't exactly set the charts on fire. This is especially strange (but welcome) considering SSFIV 3D selling remarkably well, and also being the first 3DS game to break 1m shipping, and yet receiving no successor.
Oh yeah, I forgot about AA5. I don't think Lyton Vs Phoenix should be counted as it's more a Level 5 game.
There was also that Lost Planet spin off though I'm not sure when it was released, just that it bombed. Didn't capcom use some of the tools from from the canned Megaman Legend 3 for that game?
flatearthpandas
Member
Port begging is shitting up conversations talking about how certain games ought to be on a platform they aren't on. If you honestly believe the games are coming it isn't port begging...
Most of this thread reads like port begging to me, but I'm pretty sure the mods have clarified that port begging does actually need to be shitting up conversation. It falls into this topic pretty nicely so it's probably fine.
Capcom isn't supporting the Vita because it's neck and neck with the Wii U for the biggest embarrassment of this generation. Except the Wii U is actually being supported by at least one AAA publisher.
Ingueferroque
Banned
Oersted exposed, has agenda. News at 11.
(In regards to "Natural Doctrine, Freedom Wars, SSD, Oreshika2, and so much more")
Meanwhile, in a thread about someone saying the 3ds lineup looking dry, a suspicious amount of Oersted activity.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=107178800#post107178800
Yes, the lengths.
sublimit
Banned
No one here is port begging we're just making hypotheses on why things happened as they happened.Or to be more accurate why they didn't happened.
test_account
XP-39C²
I dont think that Iwata said that the sales were terrible, but they (Nintendo) dropped the price because they had expected better sales. They also dropped the price to remove concerns for publishers. Here is a direct quote from Iwata:
"The retailers worldwide decide the allocations of store shelves and which products to focus on for the year-end sales season by looking at the results of the summer sales. Software publishers are currently reviewing which development teams will work on which projects, and the results of which shall be launched next year and beyond. Removing their concerns on the sales of Nintendo 3DS hardware will be very critical for us to be able to enrich the applicable software in the years to come."
http://www.1up.com/news/iwata-salary-cut-half-3ds-price-drop-explained
I think portbegging isnt allowed in announcements threads and such, as SmokyDave mentioned. From what i know, there arent any specific forum rules on Neogaf that says that portbegging is forbidden. I think its more of a case where the moderators have to view each post about portbegging and decide if its derailing a thread or not. I might be mistaken though, so dont take this as a final answer
But i havnt seen anything in the NeoGAF Term Of Service that specifically mention that portbegging isnt allowed.I have to admit that i havnt read every post in this thread, so i might have missed something. But i was thinking more about that it is possible to discuss about a game coming to another platform without asking for it to come to that platform, because they know that it wont be coming. In this case it would just be a "what if that happened" case, or a hypothetical situation.
I agree, the reason why Capcom isnt supporting the Vita has already been answered indeed. And its true that there arent any confirmation that Nintendo moneyhatted Capcom and Monster Hunter. Its possible that Nintendo did offer some money, like to pay for advertising or something, but i think that Monster Hunter 4 would have come to the 3DS anyway because the 3DS is the successor the the DS, the most selling system in Japan of all time.
The general consensus is that game became this
This makes a lot of sense given that the game was developed by mobile socom developers.
Hell, even Dengeki disagrees with it. So that's 2 vs 1.
frankie_baby
Member
Weltall Zero
Member
That assumes that people that would buy it on Vita if it was available, would buy it instead on 3DS if it wasn't. I don't even own a 3DS, and I doubt I'm alone.
The benefit to Capcom is selling units to people who don't own a 3DS. Now, whether or not that benefit offsets the development resources is a different (and valid) discussion, but pretending each potential Vita sale equals one lost 3DS sale 1:1 is disingenuous at best.
test_account
XP-39C²
Yeah, i forgot abotu E.X. Troopers (that Lost Planet spinoff)
There is also Gaist Crusher.Yeah, thats true. I have to admit that i havnt read every post in this thread, but i just wanted to mention that its possible to discuss a gaming coming to another platform (even if its just a hypothetical situation) without it necessarily being port begging
Guys, could you please decide if you are portbegging or not^^.
Yeah, we need some clarification on the portbegging rule. I might add there isn't even a slightest hint that Nintendo was moneyhatting. Would seem pointless, to be honest. And of course, "What if" could be a interesting discussion. But is.'t this one for another thread?
Yes, I'm doubting that Vita is a success, because it isn't, and that these 3 titles are AAA because, like other Gaffers pointed out, they are not. You got me.
Btw, a couple of quotes are not working.
I dont think that Iwata said that the sales were terrible, but they (Nintendo) dropped the price because they had expected better sales. They also dropped the price to remove concerns for publishers. Here is a direct quote from Iwata:
"The retailers worldwide decide the allocations of store shelves and which products to focus on for the year-end sales season by looking at the results of the summer sales. Software publishers are currently reviewing which development teams will work on which projects, and the results of which shall be launched next year and beyond. Removing their concerns on the sales of Nintendo 3DS hardware will be very critical for us to be able to enrich the applicable software in the years to come."
http://www.1up.com/news/iwata-salary-cut-half-3ds-price-drop-explained
I think portbegging isnt allowed in announcements threads and such, as SmokyDave mentioned. From what i know, there arent any specific forum rules on Neogaf that says that portbegging is forbidden. I think its more of a case where the moderators have to view each post about portbegging if its derailing a thread or not. I might be mistaken though, so dont take this as a final answer
I have to admit that i havnt read every post in this thread, but i was thinking more about that it is possible to discuss about a game coming to another platform without asking for it to come to that platform, because they know that it wont be coming. In this case it would just be a "what if that happened" case, or a hypothetical situation.
I agree, the reason why Capcom isnt supporting the Vita has already been answered indeed. And its true that there arent any confirmation that Nintendo moneyhatted Capcom and Monster Hunter.
Yeah, we need some clarification on the portbegging rule. I might add there isn't even a slightest hint that Nintendo was moneyhatting. Would seem pointless, to be honest. And of course, "What if" could be a interesting discussion. But is.'t this one for another thread?
Yes, I'm doubting that Vita is a success, because it isn't, and that these 3 titles are AAA because, like other Gaffers pointed out, they are not. You got me.
Btw, a couple of quotes are not working.
Coffee Dog
Banned
Why would capcom bother with anything but blockbusters? That's just how the industry is right now. There's AAA and there's indie tier. No in between.
sublimit
Banned
So cutting off Vita's one and only power cord would have seemed "pointless" to you?
Right.
test_account
XP-39C²
True, some clarification on that rule would be nice.
Yeah, honestly i think that Monster Hunter 4 would have come to the 3DS anyway, mostly because it is the successor the the biggest selling system of all time in Japan (the DS). I think its possible that Nintendo did offer Capcom some money for advertising and such, making it even easier for Capcom to choose the 3DS as the platform for MH4, but i'm not sure if i would concider this as a moneyhat because i think Capcom would have chosen the 3DS as the platform for MH4 regardless.
Sure, maybe it would be better suited for another thread, but i think its a fair point and somewhat relevant to bring up when talking about Vita's Capcom support
"Hey Capcom, DS was more succesful than PSP. Also, we will support 3DS with Pokemon, Mario, Zelda and many more. Wanna join or be Vitas only power cord?"
Probably the cheapest moneyhat ever.
test_account
XP-39C²
I think he means pointless in the way that Capcom would have chosen the 3DS regardless of if Nintendo had payed Capcom or not. Its true that Iwata have acknowledged the importance of Monster Hunter, but personally i think that Capcom would have chosen the 3DS for MH4 regardless mainly because the 3DS is the successor to the DS (the biggest selling system of all time in Japan).
sublimit
Banned
The PS2 was incredibly successful too yet i didn't see Capcom bringing MH Tri to PS3.A system's success in the past means nothing.
Though "Capcom" and "common sense" don't get along well. Super Street Fighter IV on 3DS sold more than Ultimate MvC3 and SFxT on Vita...combined...in Japan only; on a time the 3DS was "dead".
Basically it comes down to just Capcom been Capcom. While there could be (and there are) many financial reasons to not release games on Vita; is not as if they've been taking the best decisions over the last years.
Basically it comes down to just Capcom been Capcom. While there could be (and there are) many financial reasons to not release games on Vita; is not as if they've been taking the best decisions over the last years.
test_account
XP-39C²
Monster Hunter Tri was actually coming to the PS3 at first, but Capcom announced in later 2007 that they had moved development to the Wii instead.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/monster-hunter-3-now-wii-exclusive/1100-6180675
It was planned as PS3 title, but due to costs it didn't happen.
sublimit
Banned
I know.I said that to prove that the success of a system in the past means nothing as you (Oersted) seem to implying that Nintendo "won" MH due to DS's success.
When Capcom made the decision to bring MH to 3DS there was nothing to guarantee the success of the platform.
clay_ghost
Member
Basically Capcom made a bet that paid off.
They should have more confidence in Mega man T.T
Likeliness of success, support from the plattform holder( marketing for the console and games support) and costs. Nothing spoke in favor of the Vita but they tried, like OP pointed out, regardless.
3DS didn´t sell as well as DS in its height, they weren´t terrible compared to any other system, in fact it had a great launch-phase selling 750k units in a month and even in Summer despite surprisingly beeing hit by several delays of 3rd party software it comfortably sold 20k-35k units a week until the price-drop was announced. Games like MK7, SM3DL and MHTri (not yet announced) were already planned for the holiday season and would have increased sales anyway. The price-drop according to Nintendo was made to ensure a quicker 3rd party transition, instead of betting on an established userbase because 3DS was only selling well and not at a great pace in Summer.
Anyway what matters is that in its first calendar year (10 months) it sold 4.3m units, so I really don´t understand how this equates as a bad first year, while a userbase of 2.8m in 28months (PSV) you described as a big userbase. Could you explain why?