Sibersk Esto
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I thought the shaky cam complaints were massively overblown.
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Captain America: Civil War SPOILER Thread - #TeamThanos
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That conversation is great too.
"She's dangerous"
"She's a kid"
A kid, you Cap, took out to help capture a fucking dangerous terrorist stealing a biological weapon. A kid that helped save a lot of lives, but also took part in a lot of damage.
Like, it's painful, because they are both wrong but you sympathize. And yet you see they just won't stop.
Discotheque
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haha no doubt. he's a good guy but he kind of comes across as being too simple minded and a bit of a dolt in the marvel universe.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Yeah, I think they were. All the action made sense to me.
Discotheque
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they looked bad in the clips on youtube but when it came to the actual film some of it was still there but there were so many other clear action scenes too of really good quality that it ended up fine.
best superhero action since spiderman 2 tbh. too bad henry jackman fell asleep composing for it, could have given it that extra oomph.
I'm back from the second viewing. I hate to admit it but... yes... after seeing it again knowing exactly what happens... Captain America was wrong. He was wrong not because his ideology was wrong, but because he did not take into consideration the practicality of his decisions. He absolutely has a point about being wary about authority and giving up their operational freedom to a panel. But having a point is only meaningful if you can back that up with actions that support it and which make people see it your way. He had a point but went about everything in the wrong way. There were warning signs everywhere that he was making emotional decisions over rational ones, but it was made worse because he framed those decisions as ideological ones.
This doesn't mean Tony was right, it just means Steve made a bad situation worse by not adapting and not recognizing that he could de-escalate if he became the better man. Black Widow was absolutely right when she said "how we stay together is less important than us staying together" because being together would mean they could still talk things out and solve the problems together. Once they split up, everything went to shit.
I still support Captain America and his ideals, I think he is the better man at the end of it all, but in terms of his actions and reactions throughout the film, upon reflection, they were wrong and they made him and his best friends all wanted criminals, and made a large part of the world see that the Accords were necessary after all.
i agree but i'm having a hard time thinking of what else he could have done. killing bucky himself or just letting him die would go against his character at a fundamental level, and if he'd signed he'd have had to do one of those. tony was such an emotional wreck that he was impossible to talk to and the government was being as smugly ineffective as it possibly could.
i think my favorite part of it was how well the writing and acting conveyed the stark/rogers relationship. they so clearly liked and respected each other but were also mutually irritating, it seemed like nobody else could get under cap's skin like tony could.
god, everything about this is what i wanted the avengers movies to be. the russos absolutely destroyed whedon in every aspect.
TheFuzz
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Still can't believe how packed the movie was yet how tightly-written and coherent it all seemed. It's crazy that it wasn't a mess, and the more I think about it the more I like Zemo as the villain. I loved how it hinted that he ultimately won when it was all said and done. Even knowing they'll all be on the same side again, there has been some irreparable damage done and the divide between Tony and Steve will never ultimately go away.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Black Widow just straight up owning those goons in the opening sequence was my first real "pop" of the movie. Goddamn, those were some great moves. I felt it.
Yeah, I agree the score was a real letdown. Can't wait to hear what Giacchino does for Doctor Strange and hopefully he'll stay on for Avengers 3 & 4.
Escape Goat
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I was trying to keep count of the times that Bucky got jobbered. He was beat down at every encounter wasnt he? I cant remember.
RellyRell28
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I never notice that shit.
Discotheque
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more or less. he got one of the better looking action sequences though when he fought the swat team.
him, cap and black widow shine more when they are fighting normal mooks. they're like bourne on crack then. especially natasha.
He got beat in his own flashbacks. ;-;
Yeah Widow got the lion's share of good fight scenes.
most of the time he wasn't fighting to win against someone he actually wanted to beat, he was mostly running away.
he seemed effective enough to me. after everything that happened in the movie it's a miracle he's still alive.
BronsonLee
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Gonna watch it again in like 2 hours
Cheap runtime + Philly theater = SOME REAL FUN SHIT ABOUT TO GO DOWN
Cheap runtime + Philly theater = SOME REAL FUN SHIT ABOUT TO GO DOWN
Sibersk Esto
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Bucky put over Hydra's The Sheild brother.
Bucky put over Hydra's The Sheild brother.
I was really hoping someone would point out how much of a wrestler Bucky looks like in that fight club flashback.
Manmademan
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To be fair, they got crossbones' initial target wrong. They THOUGHT his crew were going to hit the police station, not go after a biological weapon in another building.
Manmademan
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He took out panther when he wasn't in the suit pretty easily.
That suit is crazy OP. panther was straight ignoring automatic weapons fire in it. What are kicks and punches going to do?
Angelus Errare
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Yea, if you were team cap at the end of this movie...something is wrong with you.
BronsonLee
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I'd like to officially blame Uncharted 4 for Civil War's only ok soundtrack after Jackman blew it the fuck out with Winter Soldier
TAKE A STAND
TAKE A STAND
Angelus Errare
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I wouldn't say he took out T'Challa when he didn't have the suit. He got like 2 licks in before T'Challa started working dude and threw him into a wall like paper weight. Don't forget he ended up overpowering Bucky's arm (seems like everyone did in this movie)
Number of people in team cap that got paralysed by a member of their own team - 0
Team Cap for days.
Discotheque
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the cornball pan flute for any black panther scene was borderline unforgivable, but then they give spiderman nothing?! the spidergod deserves the finest treatment by marvel.
hopefully they're just waiting on danny elfman to come aboard his solo movie.
BronsonLee
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Yeah the Panther stuff was weird. They gave Spidey Alt-J tho disco, isn't that enough?!
I have to imagine they have no idea what they want his theme to be so they didn't want to get pidgeonholed
George Oscar Bluth II
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The pan flute nearly made me laugh.
orthodoxy1095
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Lmao.
Angelus Errare
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I think it was a good thing for Team Ironman, cause Don Cheadle's hairline was at the top of his head. He had to go.
Discotheque
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He has a nice panther statue though at least. Hopefully Sting comes through and destroys it leading to Black Panther/Sting feud for his solo movie. In a no disqualification tables ladders and chairs match.
War Machine is one of the coolest looking heroes though, can't deny that.
BronsonLee
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Manmademan
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orthodoxy1095
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I've never understood the attraction to War Machine. Meh.
Sibersk Esto
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Cheadle really sold the feeling that he was spiraling out of control.
bananafactory
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I noticed that Homecoming was one of the words used against Bucky
Thats just a coincidence right?
Thats just a coincidence right?
BronsonLee
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Yeah that thud was vile
At the preview screening everyone knew what was coming and was totally dreading it
I think so. Was likely written long before the Spidey movie was named.
It activates Aunt May as Carnage.
orthodoxy1095
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Spider-Man nod. That's all I could think of. Probably coincidental though.
I don't remember the actual phrases from the comics, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't that damn long.
Okay, somethings wrong with me. It was absolutely laughable they acted like the UN having control over The Avengers was a good thing. Stark et al's argument of "they'll make us do it if we don't voluntarily" says it all.
Or to put it another way, the Accords are bullshit. If they meant anything, how is Tony a free man and the effective spokesperson for them? He helped create an evil robot, and then created an easily distracted robot to stop the first robot. Just because this film forgets that doesn't suddenly make his "let's give into fear" decision a wise one.
it felt like bucky is way more effective when he's operating under his conditioning. wouldn't surprise me if his mental state hindered him when he wasn't.
Linkstrikesback
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Who should they report to then? Did you hate it in Avengers 1 where they essentially worked for shield, and so for the world security council?
Or is the idea that they should have 100% free reign no matter who they hurt by the actions of the avengers?
It's like a Pimp My Ride version of Iron Man so it plays to that audience.
MK 46 is sexy as fuck tho
orthodoxy1095
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Shield + WSC =/= UN
Besides we already saw the problems with Shield and the WSC.
That was upsetting. (In a good way, but still) You really felt the fact that he'd gone from a man who could fly to a man who was trapped in a metal suit that was falling from the sky.
I always love it when the red/Gold ratio is in the Red's favor.
Mk 42 makes me wanna claw out my eyes.
But the Accords don't give them any free reign. They'd be told where to go, who to help, when not to help. Based on the political interests involved. Aliens attack Korea? Sorry Avengers, Korea is on the outskirts with MCU UN so you can't help them.
Like I get accountability, but the MCU has shown you can't trust any government organisations or systems of power. AIM had the US Vice President on their docket, Hydra infiltrated Shield...
They should be accountable, but not to groups who are politically motivated.
Great movie. There are many interrelated subjects within the movie but I'd like to focus on just one for clarity. Cap's argument for not signing boiled down to choosing the security of the people over a country's freedom of choice. That choice being whether a country allows the Avengers to act within that country's borders. Cap is arguing that the Avengers should be able to operate where ever they think they are needed without the consent of the people's representative gov't.
Would Thor allow the Avengers to operate within his borders without his permission? If Wakanda has the right to deny access to the Avengers working in their borders, shouldn't Nigeria have the same right?
"The safest hands are still our own." That is the 'we know what's good for you' point of view. Cap's stance is just another big brother stance.
Would Thor allow the Avengers to operate within his borders without his permission? If Wakanda has the right to deny access to the Avengers working in their borders, shouldn't Nigeria have the same right?
"The safest hands are still our own." That is the 'we know what's good for you' point of view. Cap's stance is just another big brother stance.
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