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Captain America: Civil War SPOILER Thread - #TeamThanos

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I do have to say that while Jackman absolutely killed the Winter Soldier score he didn't bring it as well here. It's hard to match that though I guess, the Winter Soldier is just amazing and hard to top. They should have just brought some of themes over maybe.
 
AquaWateria said:
No I mean in terms of beefing him up into a more versatile fighter.

Like showcase his senses, strength, speed, agility, strategy, and intelligence. Also gadgets like energy daggers.

Civil War was good for an introduction of the character but go all out with his solo movie.
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All of that was shown except gadgets.

but I understand wanting more though XD

edit: for the love of God no cape during fight scenes.
 
What did he mean by this? said:
The Steve/whats-her-name kiss scene was basically yelling to the audience "CAPTAIN AMERICA IS NOT GAY!".

Every scene involving someone in a car was great
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Wait, what? How is Steve kissing his most famous comic love interest supposed to be a scene to remind the audience he's not gay? It's not like he went "Oh Sharon, I'm a boobs man and nothing more".
 
People talking about set-ups to Thor: Ragnarok, Thunderbolts, and Infinity War, but I think everyone missed the ultimate movie set-up:

A Falcon and Bucky buddy road trip movie.

Their scenes together are fucking golden.

"Why didn't you do that earlier?"

"I hate you."
 
Quick said:
People talking about set-ups to Thor: Ragnarok, Thunderbolts, and Infinity War, but I think everyone missed the ultimate movie set-up:

A Falcon and Bucky buddy road trip movie.

Their scenes together are fucking golden.

"Why didn't you do that earlier?"

"I hate you."
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Best line of the movie
 
Alienous said:
We'll know if that'll be the case if we see a cape in the promotional materials for the Black Panther solo films.

I want the kind of Black Panther who doesn't even bother getting into a fighting pose to confront Hawkeye.
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The cape can look dope if used right. Only for ceremonial stuff though.

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But yeah give me that cape.

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Also I'd kill to see Black Panther's energy daggers in live action. I'm hopeful for Ryan Coogler to make something special.
 
Ragnorok64 said:
Who do they even keep imprisoned on the Raft? Alnost all the MCU villians die in their movies.
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I bet there's a special place for Banner that Ross is keeping warm.

Anyone else get a chuckle at Ross's question about "Where are Banner and Thor" like somehow if they were there he'd find a way to get them in line?
 
GitarooMan said:
Yeah I'm going to have to listen to the soundtrack and when I was writing that I was thinking "maybe some themes were actually in there" but like you said it didn't stand out on first viewing.

On another note, I really wish there was another Captain America movie on the slate.
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We'll get one. Cap is marvel's most bankable hero outside of Iron Man right now.
 
jtb said:
It was fine, but having to introduce Spider Man just killed the movie's tone and pacing.

Ditch spiderman and this is close to winter soldier -tier
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I was okay with this. They threw it in a montage sort of thing with both teams getting their players together, so it worked.
 
Mega Spooky said:
I was a little bothered by Tony basically creating Spider-Man, but at this point the movies are writing their own story. As long as it makes sense in their universe I'm along for whatever ride they're taking us on. I'm more concerned with the characters acting how they're supposed to than how they came to be.
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What? He didn't "create Spider-Man" Peter already had a suit and was fighting crime 6 months prior to the movie. All Tony did was give him a sleek new costume.
 
Garlador said:
Tony's actions in this film were driven by guilt. He's tired of the responsibility, tired of screwing up, tired of his own personal accountability. He wants someone else to take over, shoulder the burden. He's always been driven by guilt, and by this point its consuming him.
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I can't blame him. He isn't a soldier, so the blood on his hands, even the alien blood on his hands, unsurprisingly had a traumatic effect on him. A pragmatic stance on accountability after meeting with someone whose life was permanently changed due to his actions as a hero in AOU, and the screwup in Africa were the tipping points.
Steve isn't wholly right, but his whole philosophy has been when he says "this isn't freedom, this is fear", and refused to compromise personal liberty and freedom for more security and oversight. He has good reason not to trust the men up top...

... ESPECIALLY General Ross.
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This is true, but Steve should've been able to see the bigger picture here. And that is to keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Wanna watch the Avengers, Ross? They'll also be watching you.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Steve only know that his parents were murdered, not who actually did it? I think he says he didn't know Bucky was the one who did it... but he also admits he was mistaken too. He was wrong, and owned up to it in the end.
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I may have misheard it during that particular scene, but it sounded like he copped to knowing it was Bucky that killed his parents. I may be wrong, so I'll listen for it again when I go to my second viewing.

He figured out Zemo was behind it and saved Bucky's life. The real perpetrators were brought to justice. It didn't end happy for the team, but he did a LOT right.
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True, but I think the costs were too high. And then there's the possibility of there being negative consequences to his actions in the next Avengers film. We've already seen fallout from A1, TWS, and A2, so I don't see this dark cloud clearing off his head anytime soon.

Sam told him to go. "We all aren't getting out of here." Cap wanted to stay, but he had a bigger mission. He saw the bigger picture.

And, more importantly, he came back for them.
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I know. I was just salty seeing them all in prison, asses freshly kicked, while he and his road dog were in Russia reminiscing about literal old dames.

It's classic Steve Rogers. Nothing shocking about that. He defied military orders and rescued Bucky in the 1940s too. He became a vigilante and outlaw on the run many times already. He'll follow his heart, wherever it leads and whatever happens.
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That same heart let him get distracted when dealing with Crossbones, leading to avoidable deaths. Shouldering the Bucky burden got people killed and Wanda put on the world's shitlist. He may have saved the day and protected his friend, but he did it by shoving the square shape into the circle hole.
 
Wheeljack539 said:
I bet there's a special place for Banner that Ross is keeping warm.

Anyone else get a chuckle at Ross's question about "Where are Banner and Thor" like somehow if they were there he'd find a way to get them in line?
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I thought that line was actually a good point. They are pretty much the two most powerful Avengers/beings on the planet and they can't even hope to keep track of them.
 
Loke13 said:
What? He didn't "create Spider-Man" Peter already had a suit and was fighting crime 6 months prior to the movie. All Tony did was give him a sleek new costume.
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Yep. If anything this was the biggest plot hole of the previous spider films: how did a kid from queens with no money design a suit like that overnight?

You want to try to make one yourself it's going to be a couple grand, easy
 
I was thinking the other day...would it really be possible to see Bucky take up the mantle of Captain America at this point, much like people speculate Marvel Studios have got planned after Chris Evans inevitably walks away from the role?

In this movie, we see Bucky bludgeon an innocent old man to death before strangling his wife.

I mean, I haven't ready any comics involved Bucky taking up the shield, but surely the movie version has committed way too many despicable acts to ever be considered a worthy successor to the Captain America mantle.
 
Manmademan said:
Yep. If anything this was the biggest plot hole of the previous spider films: how did a kid from queens with no money design a suit like that overnight?

You want to try to make one yourself it's going to be a couple grand, easy
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He already had the web shooters designed though.
The only thing that would cost money from there would be the eyes, which was never a thing before.
 
Manmademan said:
Yep. If anything this was the biggest plot hole of the previous spider films: how did a kid from queens with no money design a suit like that overnight?

You want to try to make one yourself it's going to be a couple grand, easy
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The Amazing Spider-Man explanation is the only one that bugs me because Peter just orders the web from fucking Oscorp.

Never mind the fact that shit would definitely be too expensive for him to buy, did OsCorp not find the constant purchases of their web material suspicious when there's a spider hero going around?
 
SpaceWolf said:
I was thinking the other day...would it really be possible to see Bucky take up the mantle of Captain America at this point, much like people speculate Marvel Studios have got planned after Chris Evans inevitably walks away from the role?

In this movie, we see Bucky bludgeon an innocent old man to death before strangling his wife.

I mean, I haven't ready any comics involved Bucky taking up the shield, but surely the movie version has committed way too many despicable acts to ever be considered a worthy successor to the Captain America mantle.
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Howard Stark wasn't an "innocent old man".
 
SpaceWolf said:
I was thinking the other day...would it really be possible to see Bucky take up the mantle of Captain America at this point, much like people speculate Marvel Studios have got planned after Chris Evans inevitably walks away from the role?

In this movie, we see Bucky bludgeon an innocent old man to death before strangling his wife.

I mean, I haven't ready any comics involved Bucky taking up the shield, but surely the movie version has committed way too many despicable acts to ever be considered a worthy successor to the Captain America mantle.
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I don't think it is, really. There were a couple of fake puts indicating that Sebastian Stan might take over as cap, but at this point it would be a REALLY hard sell to the public.

I think they might go the comics route and make falcon the new cap if it happens.
 
AquaWateria said:
No I mean in terms of beefing him up into a more versatile fighter.

Like showcase his senses, strength, speed, agility, strategy, and intelligence. Also gadgets like energy daggers.

Civil War was good for an introduction of the character but go all out with his solo movie.
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He caught up to a motorcycle. . .
 
SpaceWolf said:
I was thinking the other day...would it really be possible to see Bucky take up the mantle of Captain America at this point, much like people speculate Marvel Studios have got planned after Chris Evans inevitably walks away from the role?

In this movie, we see Bucky bludgeon an innocent old man to death before strangling his wife.

I mean, I haven't ready any comics involved Bucky taking up the shield, but surely the movie version has committed way too many despicable acts to ever be considered a worthy successor to the Captain America mantle.
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Bucky was not responsible for his actions in any way shape or form on a basic level. When he killed Howard and Maria he was the Winter Soldier, not Bucky. Same goes for all the other assassinations he executed.

I mean, I think the issue in-universe would be people arguing about the fact a man with such a past as Bucky's would be allowed to take up the field or not. All the shit Bucky had caused would taint the image of him, which would actually be a cool enough plot to work with.
 
I'm honestly struggling to figure out why they used Ross in this film in the first place. He wasn't anything like he was in TIH. No cigars. Not even a hint at any kind of personal vendetta towards Banner (he made one comment about the team not knowing where Thor and Banner were but that was a legit good point that anyone could have raised). No real hints towards Thunderbolts.

Like I was glad to see William Hurt again and I like that they're acknowledging TIH, but his character seems so different that they could've made up a new one or used someone else (I feel this way about Zemo too, to a certain extent). Not to mention there is another character named Ross being introduced in the very same film.
 
So, my only issue was with Black Panther being super fast in that initial chase scene with him, Bucky and Cap.

I admittedly don't know all his powers, though. Is he supposed to have super strength and super speed?
 
SpaceWolf said:
Sorry, what crime had Howard committed that justified him getting brutally beaten to death in front of his wife by a deranged cyborg man?
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It's not a matter of his committing crimes and more the fact that the work he's done surely would have earned him enemies.

I just don't get why he had such a crappy car other than to throw off the audience. I guess if the had been driving a Rolls Royce the audience would have figured it out.
 
SpaceWolf said:
Sorry, what crime had Howard committed that justified him getting brutally beaten to death by a deranged cyborg man?
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Howard founded SHIELD and they were up to all kinds of funny business. Yes they were infiltrated by HYDRA, but that's because SHIELD willingly invited the remnants of red skulls army into itself consequences be damned because they wanted their scientists.

We also know Howard specifically was involved in trying to weaponize the ant Man project over the objections of Pym which is why Pym decked him and walked away from government work.

Right before winter soldier killed him Howard had apparently developed a formula to make super soldiers and weaponize those too, so apparently he learned nothing.

Howard was far from innocent old man, he was actively creating super weapons for the government and had a strong hand in running SHIELD.
 
Caught this Thursday night. The theater attendants actually made it a point to tell everyone before the show that there was both a mid-credits and post-credits scene, and that it was a good idea to visit the bathroom in between the two if necessary.

The biggest laugh at my showing was "Can you move your seat up?" I actually couldn't hear the dialogue immediately after because of it.

I think I need to see this movie about twenty more times.
 
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